as we're seeing on the screen, when he broke down, kyle rittenhouse. they could see him talking about the three different instances in which he said he acted in self-defense and the testimony from the guy he wounded saying, yeah, he didn't fire until i pointed my gun at him. so for those who are stunned by this, they would have been more shocked had we not gotten to see a lot of the key testimony ourselves. my final point, those denouncing the verdict, i've been struck by the channels, not talking self-defense claims, the evidence, maybe a few shots at the judge. they're outraged because they didn't get the outcome they wanted and that's not the purpose of the justice system. we all should not want that to be the purpose of the justice system. griff: great points, great coverage, howie, a quick note, i do remember this past week judge schroeder commenting he wasn't a big fan about the cameras in the courtroom, but i suppose that decision for his next trial hopefully not one