what is your impression of ukrainians fighting? >> [indiscernible] will bring something to the table. >> anything particular in the moment that will stick with you? >> [indiscernible] expect this is what about for you guys? >> yes, absolutely. >> and, she had a, those are fighters who fought in afghanistan. there are many more who fought in iraq and sitting there with those two what i said to them are there any images that are going to stick with you, when people like that who have seen so much look you in the eye and say i have seen things that i never want to see in my lifetim again. you really know that there is