politics. justice breyer himself cannot be considered the very seat he is vacating because he is a white man. what is wrong with black men, what is wrong with asian women or hispanic men? i think that this obsession with race, skin color, is actually going to hurt the ability to choose someone who might be a brilliant -- and it is as you said, ironic that the court is going to be considering this fall the case on whether race-based preferences in college and university admissions should survive constitutional scrutiny. >> shannon: and help us as we try to figure out a short list of people that the president will go to, been a lot of speculation about some specific judges out there, some jurists that i thought -- harry, i will get your reaction. judge ketanji brown jackson. very well respected on the circuit which is viewed as the aaa of the leagues of getting you into the supreme court. a number have come from that court.