enough, there's nowhere of a requirement going to be considered on vaccinated at some point? >> look, shannon, this goes back to the problem that you and i have been discussing for some time now, which is that we are using vaccination as a metric for when to stop, when to vaccinate, and when not to vaccinate. and really it's immunity that should be our focus. so in other words, yes, the vaccines do have an efficacy rate at higher -- in fact, 70% of them have worked perfectly fine. and really the way we would know is by assessing the actual clinical methods of immunity, which the gold standard is the antibody test. as you know on may 19th of '21, they've discouraged for measuring antibody levels. when it comes to the police officers and places like new york and chicago, firefighters, these folks -- a lot of the folks are hesitant because they've actually had