here insights studies incite natural immunity they believe is as good as if not better than vaccines. we are getting new data every day. shouldn't that be part of the consideration to say that these men and women have had the vaccine -- they've had covid, they've got immunity, and at least put them to enlist and make them serve? >> i think so. you'll clues these close to 20 years veterans to institutional knowledge? this is devastating. we are talking about hundreds of navy seals who have a wartime capability in fighting information and knowledge that they have to pass on to the next generation. this is a massive problem. one of the things, even personally i think has been missing from the conversation is natural immunity, like eva said. we've had data -- we've had more data on natural immunity than we had vaccines for a longer time.