events into the phones of my two daughters and millions of other americans. that is the scary thing. you hear talk by privacy groups, they are no different than meta or google or other american companies and in a way, that is true. we will not go to war in two, three, five years with meta or google. with chinese, we will. >> todd: we can argue about whether tiktok should be panned in the united states or not, for now, it is here, for tiktok creators, this is tremendous source of income. what advice do you give tiktok who need this platform to put food on the table? >> i don't think a ban will work. i think the congress and president will try it, i don't think it will succeed, our government needs to use authority to force the divest tour of the american tiktok to