you talked to other people like rick perry on "fox and friends first" recently and he said that is not true, that are always cyber threats from russia to the united states. who do we believe on this front? we have to think back to the colonial pipeline hack and how detrimental that was to the united states and a lot of people in this country are concerned something like that might happen again, considering the aggression we are seeing from rubbing. >> difficulty with cyber attacks it is difficult to follow who caused the attack, who initiated the attack. in this case, if russia did it, they would use cut outs and it would not happen from their territory. we have to wonder whether the chinese may conduct a cyber attack to distract us as they consider the idea of rolling ships across the strait and taking taiwan. look at both of them as