from the very beginning based on the fact they closed bagram before they had an actual pullout strategy. pete: cory a we talked to a lot of vets trying to pull out but many are not there or saw it with their own eyes at real time. what was process like from your perspective, was it coordinated with the military out, sivs house, what has been like to evacuate people. >> to be honest pete, it has been absolute chaos. they had the ability could have used the churchhill strategy after damage tall dunkirk. instead of doing so in some cases they waved off aircraft that were not standard gray tails. i had a g-550 that had cleared ppr. they waved it off, with only 15 seats. that is 15 more americans home