conversation. he's running a very good campaign in iowa, never mind policy conversations, just talk about how you're running a campaign, he stays on message, stays on task, cool, calm and collected. they work a ground game as people in iowa tell me, he's the kind of voice that people enjoy hearing and he's been -- he's studied. he's been aggressive and that's worked out very, very well for him. then add elizabeth warren's $52 trillion health care plan, add that joe biden can't string four sentences together, add bernie sanders screaming get off my lawn and you get somebody who seems noreen -- more reaso rease rising up. i don't know if the timing of november is as good as the timing of let's say january. >> tony, pete buttigieg, 25%. the rest of the pack, well-known senators, well-financed, far behind. you've mentioned he's got a great iowa effort. is this an iowa thing because of what voters there are looking