safety, so here with their experiences, father of two uc-berkeley students, campus reform correspondent rain texas a&m law school student cage sawyer and uc-berkeley senior katherine bauer. you know what's wild about this entire phenomenon is, you know, we do talk about crime and major crime is on the rise in america, but crime overall has been on a broad decline. like, if we look at it decade over decade over decade, we're improving. that's why we noted, that's why it's t the notable if crime picks up over a 2-year period like we've with talked about. but then you've got these islands of crime that are on college campuses where you're sending your children, sauder. >> you're absolutely right. thanks for having me. violent crime is down nationally, something i think we can all get behind and be grateful for. but there are, as you say, these exceptions. and the bay area right now is a huge exception to that trend.