encircled right now in the south the black russian forces or the black sea or close to taking the entire region over and advancing northward. but if the russians can take kyiv and link up with forces from the south, they are going to come to my cut the country in half and that will be end game this type of operation doesn't happen in days or even weeks. keep in mind, the u.s. tried inn the second world war to take out saddam hussein. it didn't work. but the u.s. also had ground offensive plan as well. and it took three weeks in the u.s. forces to take baghdad. wife would we think it would take the russians to codays to take kyiv and take over the country? these assessments, there is a lot of wishing out there. people want the ukrainians to win and i want the ukrainians to win back and saying they are doing well when they are not is not helping the situation at