texas is known for its seminary program. a lot of people in prison become converts and they go to school and become pastors and texas correctional system is known for that. so you would think that people that were former criminals, no matter what they decided to choose, the people would be celebrating that. >that. rachel: also it's not that texas is a christian state. >> it is. rachel: african-american community is a very christian community. >> by the way a lot of people in the community love kanye and kanye has turned over this new leaf and he wanted to share his faith. all these people clearly worshiping christ. giving their life to christ. shouldn't would he be celebrating this as a country where you are a criminal, your life was jacked up and you decided, you know what? let me get some stability in my life and turn over a new leaf. this is anti christian rhetoric. ed: a lot of people have been inspired by kanye's message. you got a chance to speak to him while he was in texas. let's talk to him real