he is an institutionalist. he tries to take small baby steps, not go as far as or as fast as some of his colleagues would like. and since justice barrett replaced justice ginsburg, he is the sixth man. he is no longer the middle of the court and unclear whether he is going to be able to get even -- peal away even one justice for some sort of fractured centrist position in this case. ainsley: all right, ilya thank for coming on. >> my pleasure. we will see you in june how this all turns out. ainsley: that's right. thank you. carley shimkus is upstairs and she has headlines for us. carley: today ghislaine maxwell trial enters day four. saw the defense team cross-examine a woman identified only as jane who says maxwell groomed her to become a victim of jeffrey epstein's. her lawyers revealing documents they say contradicts the accuser's testimony. it's still unclear if maxwell will take the stand herself. the trial is expected to last about six weeks.