standard, which he says is dicta, which means not minding on the court from roe and that 15 weeks gives enough opportunity for the right to abortion that roe established. i'm not sure if justice barrett is going to go along with that kind of intermediate sort of decision and she, after all, is the fifth vote. no longer chief justice roberts. ainsley: chief justice roberts he questioned why 15 weeks isn't enough time for a woman to choose. what was your reaction? >> he is clearly -- his project has been to depoliticize the court responding to this sort of concern that justice sonia sotomayor was starkly rising. i don't know how successful he has been in that attacking right and left. obamacare decision justifying the mandate on taxing grounds. he is not a liberal. he has not evolved in office. is he not a moderate.