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>> you're going to get into the pool with him. >> i didn't see that in the notes. >> by the end of the show, brian will be -- he'll need -- >> he's going to be in there? >> he'll be post toasty. >> gretchen, steve is referring to the scandal that happened -- >> what happened to the guinea pig? >> i'm not going in there. steve is referring to the scandal that happened eight short months ago and i was told going to the dunk tank, my only prerequisite, by the way, in this suit. if i'm going to go in, make sure the water is warm. and lauren pederson who was in charge of the show and she said no problem, we'll have the water warm and it was about 25 degrees. >> and today when brian came in, first thing said by the production staff was brian, good news, the water is going to be warm. >> don't believe that. >> anyway, what's going to happen, buckle yourself in, we have a very busy three hours. >> in the meantime, president obama continuing his tour of australia today. >> ed henry is live in darwin, australia. what can you tell us so far about the visit down under? >> well, it's interesting, steve, because the president laid a wreath for the memorial that was sunk by japanese airplanes during world twwar ii. it got a little emotional. there were families of survivors there and they spoke with the president. he spoke to 50 u.s. marines who were here, they arrived from norfolk, virginia, they'll be here on rotation in australia. part of that alliance that president obama was talking about in the last 24 hours or so ago, during this visit and some of these u.s. and australian troops have served together side by side in both iraq and afghanistan and the president said they really are the backbone of this alliance. >> honor to be here with australia's legendary diggers, you are some. toughiest warriors in the world. united states marines. >> now, a little bit earlier, the president told the australian parliament that any of those budget cuts being talked about in washington by the super committee and others will not impact the pacific region. that's how important it is to the obama administration but as you suggested a moment ago, there's a lot of wild cards with that super committee in washington right now if they do not get a deal through over the next few weeks, they could have what's known as sequestration where automatic cuts will kick in at the pentagon and other places and we'll have to see where it impacts. >> all right. ed, we hear the president got an unusual insurance policy while he's there. what can you tell us about that? >> this was an insurance policy for crocodiles. crocodile insurance policy in case they took a chomp out of the president. the president said it was the most unique gift he had ever gotten. he said the first lady would probably be thankful that he had this insurance but he assured the audience that this crocodile insurance is not part of his health care plan back home. i wanted to dispel any myths in case anybody thinks the plan is going to take a bite out of their wallets. >> it's an individual mandate for him. >> very controversial back home. he's trying to make light of it a little bit. it was interesting, they warmed up the crowd here of australian and u.s. troops with elton john's "crocodile rock." so appropriate, i guess. >> that's funny. >> interesting choice of rent-a-car behind you. i guess when you're in another country, it's going to cost us a bundle to expense that, the camouflage vehicles to your immediate right and left. >> i can't see them. >> still have not put through -- you still have not put through the expense for my spa treatment the other day. i'm waiting for that for doing your radio show. >> we're meeting about it this afternoon. >> you can put that through. >> thank you very much. >> the big question is how much should it cost to rub ed henry down? we'll discuss that after the show show. >> we'll find out what the receipt says. >> look into that while i read the headlines for your thursday morning. in just one hour, occupy wall street protesters will launch a nationwide day of action marking two months since the movement began. so here in new york, thousands of protesters are planning to block off streets, bridges and subways to prevent people from getting to work on wall street. they're also expected to storm the new york stock exchange. one protester arrested on terror charges for posting a rant on you tube urging people to burn the city down. similar riots are expected in cities across the country. overnight, police arrested 95 protesters who stormed the bank of america in san francisco. and cops arrested dozens more in houston, portland, and columbia, south carolina. energy secretary steven shu in the solyndra hot seat today. house republicans want to know why the government gave the company a $535 million loan despite warnings that it was failing. presidential candidate newt gingrich among the republicans calling for him to be fired. the white house considered doing just that as it embraced for the political storm over the now bankrupt solar company. the man believed to have fired two shots at the white house in court today and this morning, there are new details of why oscar romera ortega hernandez pulled the trigger. he's had a long obsession with the white house and an equally long rap sheet. we're talking about an arrest record in three states. investigators believe he had been in washington for weeks, perhaps blending in with occupy protesters. he was arrested at a hotel in pennsylvania after a worker there recognized him. an alleged sex abuse victim ready to testify now against former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky. this as penn state campus and local police are shooting down assistant coach mike mcquery's claim that he went to the cops to report sandusky in 2002. investigators finally questioned mcquery last year after coming across a chat room post that said a penn state coach had seen something ugly. comedian ricky gervais returning to the podium to host the 2012 golden globes. association voted for him to come back for the third year as the host despite his controversial performance this year. golden globes will be held on january 15th. that's all about ratings, folks. he made fun of the people sitting in front of him that a lot of people got a kick out of and continued to watch. >> i thought he was too angry to do this. i guess he decided differently. how angry would you have to be to take a job that didn't have i abonus structure that could ee potentially give you $6 million. >> talking about the ceo's of fannie and freddie. they stand to make a bonus of base pay of $900,000. they have an opportunity to get a bonus of combined $12.8 million over the next year or so while the president of the united states gets absolutely zero in bonuses. so anyway, the ceo's for fannie and freddie were up on capitol hill yesterday trying to essentially cover their fannies and request much more money, something like $12 to $13 million more even though they've lost millions so they can give really good executives big bonuses. >> these are challenging jobs in challenging circumstances and we need to pay and reward the people who are doing the jobs. >> all right. so that's their argument. here's also part of their argument. uncertainty about the future of fannie and freddie makes it tough to attract and retain employees with specialized skills and experience. the problem that i have with this and i think so many other americans do is that in order to reach those bonus levels, they only had to have modest performance gains. modest. have you ever heard of anyone making $6 million because they had a modest performance? you know, i don't think so. i think it's totally out of touch and this is what so many americans are so upset about washington in general, is they throw money around like it doesn't matter until now it actually does. >> these execs and new execs will be coming in there have to deal with this. bill was just approved through the house that will put the executives on a federal pay scale. mike williams, ceo of fannie mae and the other person we heard from is charles holdegren, they have to defend themselves. they were outraged in 2008 when everything started to crater and fannie and freddie was about to fold. president of the united states bought them, we'll bail you out. we'll get rid of the management and put new guys in there. in that deal evidently was this package and this is coming to fruition. >> nonetheless, it is doing that while there's so many people so frustrated with the pay structure in the united states when it comes to people at the tippy top. anyway, senator john thume was on the greta program last night and he said we need leadership from that guy who right now is in australia. >> my question is where is the president in all of this? why can't the president -- these people work for him. he set -- his pay czar set the executive pay at freddie mac and fannie mae. he could come in and defend these bonuses right now. there is legislation working its way through congress. >> keep in mind that the president slammed the bonus structure of the people on wall street which are private firms, not -- well, they were government subsidized with the bailout money but that money eventually went back but in this case, this is now a federal government operation and that's part of the problem that people have. while the government continues to give them billions, they want millions in bonuses. >> you know, in a little while, in about five minutes, we're going to be talking about the super committee and where we're at as we get closer to the deadline of november 23rdrd. what's going to happen if they don't get a deal? defense is going to be slashed big time. put it in perspective, $1.2 trillion across the board cuts. they've been asked to cut $400 billion from their budget over the next 10 years. what does that mean for the defense department? >> sure, leon panetta currently the secretary of defense has said it would be catastrophic. here is the former secretary of defense. he thinks the whole super committee, not so super. >> i think frankly the creation of this super committee was a complete abdication of responsibility on the part of the congress. it basically says this is too hard for us. give us a package where all i have to do is vote it up or vote it down and i don't have to take any personal responsibility for any of the tough decisions so now we're left with this sort of damiclese hanging over the government and hanging over defense and if these cuts are automatically made, i think that the results for our national security will be catastrophic. >> now, 5 1/2 days away from the deadline for the super committee to come up with $1.2 trillion in cuts, you know what they're doing? they're arguing about who said what. we never saw a -- we never saw a proposal from the republicans. come on! come on! five days away and this is what we're still talking about? maybe gates is right. >> by the way, they also agreed -- disagreed on this. jeff henserling on the super committee says i don't know what "the wall street journal" was talking about. we did not agree to $300 billion worth of tax decreases, he told that to larry kudlow, any thought of that is wrong. so the democrats who said they saw some give on the republican side, now he's walking that back. >> how do you feel about it? well, a brand new cnn poll came out, also with orc international and they say 78% of people in the united states of america when you add it up, 78% say the super committee is somewhat or very unlikely to come up with an agreement bit deadline. if there is no deadline, 42% of you will blame the republicans and 32% will blame the democrats. >> coming up on our show, that's not your ordinary smoker. he's actually a spy? cheating a casino out of $7 million. >> and wall street protesters plan to create chaos across new york city [ male announcer ] have you heard? to work day. it's bs campbell's microwavable soups. in three minutes -- the deliciousness that brings a smile to any monday. campbell's -- it's amazing what soup can do. let's do it, let's go to vegas. vegas baby! maybe we should head back to the dealership first? 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(laugh) (laugh) >> we got some quick headlines for you on this thursday morning. new bombshell testimony expected on monday in the bernie madoff case. one of the con man's former employees is set to plead guilty to conspiracy charges. he'll reportedly testify madoff's scam started nearly 20 years earlier than we thought -- investigators earlier thought. he's expected to implicate madoff's younger brother in the scam. great. an angry mob of people attacked secretary of state hillary clinton's motorcade with eggs and paint yesterday in the philippines. the vehicle carrying secretary clinton was not hurt. that's it right there. gretch, over to you and the doctor. >> here's a very interesting question for you. could birth control pills be linked to prostate cancer? women and men? it may sound crazy but a new study in the british medical journal claims just that. researchers say countries where large numbers of women used birth control pills also have the highest rates of deadly prostate cancer. joining me now to try to explain all of this is dr. david sumati, a member of the fox news a team and chief of robotics here in new york. people are going to say as i did when i read this, wait a minute, women take birth control pills. men get prostate cancer. what's the connection? >> this is a study that's done in toronto, actually it's done by a good friend of mine and what they found is this is observational study. not a cause and effect. it doesn't prove anything. what they found is looking at over 87 countries, looking at the link between contraceptive pills and prostate cancer and what they found was is the women on those countries that use more of those pills, they found higher incident of prostate cancer. how does that happen? it opens more questions than answers. the hypothesis is using pills for a long time by a lot of people, it's being secreted by the urinary system and gets into the soil and somehow finds our way to the water system consumed by men. it's going all the way from women and find itself in the water system by men. in those men, they found higher incident of prostate cancer. >> some of the estrogen in those pills comes out in the urine. >> that's exactly right. >> and goes into the water supply and it can get to men and i guess you can make the connection that we already made the connection that estrogen can cause cancer. >> we have mixed data. there's some data that shows the high incident of estrogen increases the risk of prostate cancer. in the past, you and i have talked about belly fat and how in men with belly fat, testosterone gets converted to estrogen. that can lead to some high blood pressure, heart disease and prostate cancer. so this really association, it's really not a cause and effect. i think what this really does is in the past, we talked about prostate cancer where race, genetics plays a big role and for the first time, we're looking at our environment, whether there's a role in environment and prostate cancer so it's a good theory, you know, and the take home message to all the women out there is continue to take your pills. based on this study, i don't want you to stop taking your contraceptive pills. we really are not able to prove anything but it's a very interesting study that needs further study. >> unfortunately, it leaves a huge question mark with the environment and what we have in our environment and causing cancer. >> it's very true. i have to leave it there. i'm sure off to a busy day at the hospital. >> absolutely. thank you so much. >> it couldn't stay secret for long, a tunnel to tijuana that's the length of four football fields? wait until you see what was found inside. looks pretty elaborate. and he's hoping to break a guiness world record live right here on "fox & friends." the ice man about to enter his ice filled chamber. first, happy birthday to danny devito. he turns 67 today. ♪ [ female announcer ] erybody loves that cushiony feeling. uh oh. i gotta go. 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>> that was good, too. beer butt chicken, we've had that. >> yeah, they rammed a beer can right down the neck of the -- >> not the neck. why do they think they call it beer butt? >> that wasn't the neck? >> no, it was the other end! >> i wasn't thinking like that. >> can somebody cue that tape later on so i can see it. >> beer butt chicken. >> we cooked a couple of them here on the program a couple of years ago. >> we haven't gotten our cans back. jammed it up there. >> let's talk a little bit about this, the white house in the form of the department of interior, it's interesting, they've been having a two day meeting down in washington, d.c. where they've been having hearings that could potentially bar people who like to shoot off guns, target practice and what not on public land. the reason is it's not because some people think it's a safety issue but people who don't use guns sometimes are in the vicinity and they hear the boom, boom, boom and they freak out. >> i loved the actual quote, yeah, it's not so much a safety issue but a social conflict issue. what the heck is that? he goes on to say, he adds that urbanites freak out when they hear shooting on public land. >> they got it wrong. you can have a machine gun in new york city and we just keep walking we're so used to the shooting. it's nonstop here. we walk around with kevlar. >> we don't know for sure which way they will come down. it's interesting, people who say look, we have to keep the lands open because we've done this for years. they say the policy is discriminatory and prejudicial to target shooters as compared to other recreationists. >> it just shuts off tens of thousands of acres of land throughout the country so maybe they could work out a compromise here. >> we'll keep you posted. >> 26 minutes before the top of the hour. >> headlines for you on this thursday. bunker busting bombs are now in the hands of the pentagon. pentagon contracted a total of 20 bombs from boeing. pentagon officials say some have already been delivered. according to the spokesman captain john kirby, the bombs give the united states of america greater ways to destroy an enemy's weapons of mass destruction. he denies the bombs are designed to target iran. >> border agents in southern california found one of the biggest drug smuggling tunnels ever. look at how elaborate this thing is. it stretches the length of not one, not two, not three, four football fields linking warehouses in san diego and tijuana. it even has electricity. come on, this is so crazy. and ventilation. >> nicer than my first apartment. >> after they found the tunnel, agents arrested two people and seized nine tons of marijuana. another 16,000 pounds across the border. >> crazy. indeed, meanwhile, it looks like this man is smoking a cigarette but that is just a cover. he's actually talking into a microphone placed in his sleeve. it's all part of a massive casino scam which was busted in california. according to the cops, the guy relayed information to somebody sitting outside the casino who would then let players know whether to hit or to stay. dealers were recruited as inside men to help pull off the scam. the ring stole some $7 million from at least 25 casinos. >> that's one of the places you could still smoke. that trick could work. rumor mill hitting a fever pitch and "in touch" magazine reporting that kate middleton is in fact pregnant. the magazine citing a palace insider saying that these six weeks along and designing three royal nurseries. they are hoping for a girl now that the rules for succession have changed. that would be a good rumor for them. >> congratulations. all right, let's get outside now to the man of ice. >> yeah, steve. we're talking about a world record. if i'm tingling, there's a reason. there's a man here who has 18 guiness book of world records and wants 19. the crackling you hear and banging going on is rim hoff, you're seeing him doing something that's never been done before. spend an hour and 52 minutes submerged in ice with nothing but those shorts and you're seeing them right on our verandah. with us right now is stuart claxton. what's your correct title? >> i'm a guiness world records adjudicator. >> that clipboard means you're official and so does that emblem. what do you expect from him? >> well, i've seen him do this before and certainly pulled through it every time but the box he's encased in has to be at least 3 feet x 3 feet. he must only wear shorts and must be in full contact with the ice and the time to beat is 1:51:10. >> i don't need to tell you that the average human being would be in total pain in seven minutes. why are we to believe that this man who looks purely human can survive for an hour and 52? >> well, it really is astonishing and he is certainly a professional at this. this is not something that people should try at home. but it's all to do with mind control and controlling his respiratory technique and the blood flow throughout his body. >> i'll tell you what, our ice bill is going to be huge. are you worried about cheated? >> not at all. all i want to make sure is the ice is fully up to the neck and we can start the clock. >> that's what we're hoping for. i'm going to go up the ladder and talk to him. this is certainly exciting. did you have any idea you were going to do this today? >> i don't do anything, no. >> here's my question for you. why? why are you doing this? >> life. >> but life doesn't have to be this cold and you don't have to be this naked. why go for the 19th record? >> because the 19 has been good. so is the 20 also. >> keep pouring. it's ok. by the way, you want -- we can't start the clock until it gets up to his neck so how are you able to do what no human being has done before and that's survive in arctic temperatures? the human body can only take seven minutes. >> yeah. i try to control the cardiovascular system and the call is good for anybody. not so much as i do. you know, i train my body and my mind to do this. >> he was born in holland but we want to adopt him here in america. the guiness book of world records is out here because history is about to be made. this man's mind is different from anybody else. that's the only thing i can surmise. he's the provided of holland and he's here in america now. guys, let me just toss back to you inside and bring you into this conversation because we have to go one bag at a time because the guiness book people do that and plus we can't afford more than two guys to help us. we're on a budget towards the end of the month and wim is going to do this. any thoughts about this, gretchen, because you're from minnesota, you understand the cold. >> and i quickly got rid of ever liking it so hats off to wim to be able to do this. this is going to be so exciting for our show because we're going to continue to check in with him. right now, it is 6:39:38. by the time they get that up to his neck, we're barely going to have enough time he can do it before the end of the show. >> good thing we don't have a microphone actually inside there to hear what he says in his native tongue. >> did you see him breathing that certain way? 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[ female announcer ] only flood insurance covers floods. for a free brochure, call the number on your screen. >> 44 minutes after the top of the hour. some quick headlines if you're just getting up. four people have been killed in a large path of destruction left from strong storms across the northeast. it's believed tornadoes touched down in louisiana, mississippi, alabama and south carolina. thousands still without power. and justin bieber demanding an apology from mariah yaeter, the woman who claimed the 17-year-old pop star fathered her child. before dropping the paternity suit a few days ago. bieber's people say they still plan on suing her for making false statements. >> good. meanwhile, the l.a. auto show is one of the biggest in the world and this morning, we are getting a special sneak peek at some of this year's absolutely hottest cars. brian, a moment ago, the coldst guy and now the hottest cars. >> it's unbelievable what this show contains. automotive expert and the host of "drive" doug browner joins us live from the auto show. doug, is the buzz back? i was there in 2008 and it was like a morgue. >> yeah. >> yeah. no, you were right. i was here then, too, it was awful! this year, a lot different. a lot of optimism. not just on part of the journalists who were here but on the part of the automakers as well. they think a lot of us will be heading back into the showroom in 2012. i'll ask you guys after you see these guys whether you're motivated. take a look at this. this is from volkswagen and all new from 2013, it's the c.c. they made this into a five passenger. used to be a four passenger. this is a nice car. it will go on sale in spring. 280 horsepower. what i really like about it, though, is it gets 31 miles to the gallon and i love the two tone interior. a lot of umpff under the hood. look for it this spring. check this out from ford. i have kids. any time you get a cool suv, i'm down. this thing rolls well and not only that but what you can do with the ford is to put your foot under the bumper and if your arms are full of groceries, the tailgate will lift automatically. that's pretty cool. the ford escape will go on sale next year, they've also increased the overall fuel mileage by five miles to the gallon and here it is, watch, just like that, and it opens. see, i always have my hands full. all right, let's talk about a car that will get you around manhatt manhattan or any other city you live in. this is the new fiat 500. this will go on sale early next year and this thing is being called, at least the folks at fiat are saying it's small but wicked. be careful. all right. drive it fast and drive it fun is what they say and from hyundaii this is a car that has a lot of folks going crazy. who would have thought they would be building a luxury car? but they are. low $30,000 price point. 293 horsepower. gets 29 miles to the gallon which is a pretty nice effort on the part of hyundai and 19 inch alloys on that car and finally, check this out and steve, i think this one is for you. this is the kia g.t. concept. just a concept for now. it looks like a missile. i'm not kidding you and in fact, it doesn't even use side view mirrors. instead, it uses little cameras instead of mirrors. i like it a lot. look for that possibly in the next few years and you guys, it's interesting to see how hyundai is gravitating towards a luxury brand while its sister company kia is staying with the lower entry point for price but coming up with cool design and styling. interesting trends dwpg -- developing in l.a. what do you think? >> very impressed. does the suv have a third row? every once and a while your kid makes a friend. hybrids, you usually mention hybrid. electric. are we just talking gas again? >> yeah. exactly. let me address the second question first. seeing at least my impression being here, fewer hybrids being thrown in our face and that's because companies are going back to hyundai they have four cars that get 40 miles to the gallon or more. automakers are building cars that get better gas mileage without hybrids. with respect to the third row, that one does not. i have four kids. it's what keeps me from having more. the absence of a third row. >> i had to go to the third row. >> that's the limitation. >> all right. there you go. >> thanks, guys. >> thank you, sir, for the live report and the headlines, fiat is back. >> right. >> thanks to taxpayer dollars. >> always doug, just four kids. he's cutting it off. >> good to know. >> when u.s. troops invaded normandy during world war ii, president roosevelt reassured americans with a prayer. our next guest wants to honor that prayer. some in washington say nope. >> how far are you willing to go to land a job? would you be willing to pay for a really good and really fake job reference? the story creating a lot of controversy. >> who would that be? >> i'm not sure. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles for up to 16 hours of relief. that's 8 hours while you wear it, plus an additional 8 hours of relief after you take it off. can your patch, wrap, cream or rub say that? so if you've got pain... get up to 16 hours of pain relief with thermacare. >> today, congress gettings -- gets involved in the mall in washington, d.c. president franklin roosevelt recited this prayer to the country as troops prepared for d-day. among other things, he said almighty god, our sons pride of this nation, this day has set upon a mighty endeavor a struggle to preserve our republic and our religion and our civilization and to set free a suffering humanity. that was franklin delano roosevelt. our next guest wants that prayer displayed on the world war ii memorial but the white house doesn't want it. congressman bill johnson from ohio drafted the proposal and joins us from our bureau. good morning to you. >> good morning, steve. >> ok, why would you like to see the fdr prayer included in the world war ii memorial? >> steve, i'm a veteran myself, having been a commander, i've seen that freedom is not free. i know the sacrifice that our men and women in uniform pay and what better tribute to the greatest generation, those brave fighting forces that landed on the beaches of normandy than to put the prayer that their commander in chief offered on that -- that pivotal day in our nation's history? i think it's a very appropriate tribute. >> just about a half a mile from that particular memorial is the lincoln memorial and up on the wall, right in there, you've got the words of abraham lincoln at the gettysburg -- doing the gettysburg address when they dedicated that particular cemetery in gettysburg so it does have a lot of power in seeing the words that people heard but i'll tell you what, sir, the director of the bureau of land management, guy by the name of robert abbey, you know him. he said this. altering the memorial in this way will necessarily dilute this elegant memorial's central message and its ability to clearly convey that message to move, educate and inspire. those are kind of strong words, that a prayer would dilute a memorial? >> absolutely. and we questioned director abbey about that. in fact, we questioned secretary salazar yesterday who stood by the department of the interior's position that it would indeed dilute the central message of the memorial. now, when questioned further, secretary salazar actually said he personally did not believe that to be true. so we've got -- we've got a dichotomy going on between what the secretary believes personally and what his department's position is officially but it absolutely makes no sense, steve, they're standing on a law from 2003 that has been -- that has been amended or waived twice to add commemorative acts to the national mall. >> i think we both know that if it were simply a little quotation from somebody famous, no problem because it is a prayer, there is a big problem. >> you know what baffles me, steve, this is not a prayer that was offered by some religious zealot or anything like that, this prayer was offered by the president of the united states. the commander in chief as a prayer of solace and comfort not only to the nation but to the men who were going into harm's way at a critical time in our nation's history. >> i know you got something like 50 co-sponsors for this. what's the next stage? >> we go through mark up, committee mark up this week. not sure when it's going to come to the house floor but i'm optimistic that this is going to pass on a bipartisan vote and i look forward to seeing that the -- that the white house changes their position. >> we'll find out. all right, congressman johnson, thank you very much for joining us and telling us your story today from the bureau. >> thank you for having me. >> e-mail us, what do you think? is it appropriate or over the line? friends at foxnews.com. meanwhile, a shakeup at the department of homeland security starting today. certain illegal immigrants get a second chance at freedom. and stick around as the ice man continues his quest to break a guiness book of world records nearly two hours in ice. 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"fox & friends" starts, you know, whenever. >> action. >> hi, i'm larry holmes, you're watching "fox & friends." they're a real knockout. >> real knockout. >> and that photo was a knockout. >> right. because evidently, lauren pederson is a little bitter that i brought up that she put me in cold water. i believe that's what the shot is about. sorry it has to play out in front of the whole audience. >> there's a real good chance. >> enough. ok? >> the cover shot. >> i know how to pose. i grew up in the print world. >> you got the dexterity of a boneless chicken. >> more like a lizard. >> listen, there's a real good possibility that tomorrow we're going to be wearing exactly the same clothes. >> why? >> because there's a chance we won't be able to leave the city. >> oh. >> they're trying to bring the city to its knees and tie up and screw up all of the traffic. >> very interesting because i'm not going to be here tomorrow. does that mean i'm going to have to sleep over with you guys anyway? >> yes. >> chris boswell joins us live at zuccotti park with the very latest. what kind of plans do the protesters have for the day? >> gretchen, good morning to you. interesting, we'll get to that in a minute. interesting, since the last time we spoke, the level of activity has certainly increased here in lower manhattan right here in zuccotti park. the protesters have been outnumbered by police since the park was cleared early tuesday morning. it's still slightly in police favor but protesters are streaming into this area. they're planning today a rally here at the park. then a rally outside the new york stock exchange. later on this afternoon, protesters plan to demonstrate in 16 subway stations across new york. kind of tying up and disrupting a lot of transportation, they will be gathering and there's going to be an occupy of foley square and also a march on city hall. so a lot of plans as they mark two months since this movement began. actually right here in the park on september 17th marking this national day of action all across the nation with several marches planned across the nation. still -- of course, no camping after this park was cleared early tuesday morning. can't take tents, tarps, sleeping bags, anything into zuccotti park so overnight, it's been very, very sparse. remains to be seen what takes place the rest of this day but demonstrators say do not underestimate the power of their movement. that remains to be seen. back to you. >> all right. craig boswell live down in zuccotti park. thank you very much. by the way, according to the morning papers, the guy that was talking about throwing a molotov cocktail to macy's has been arrested. his family says he's unstable. >> it's cost new york city $7 million without the sanitation fees to clean up the park. >> it's not just new yorkers who are dealing with this. occupy riots are expected in cities from coast to coast. overnight, police arrested 95 protesters who stormed a bank of america in san francisco. cops arrested dozens more in cities like dallas, portland and columbia, south carolina and here in new york, a man was arrested on terror charges. that's what i was talking about, for posting a rant on you tube urging people to burn the city down and later he talked about a molotov cocktail through the window at macy's. apparently, he is in police custody today. >> now, the rest of your headlines for a thursday. energy secretary steven chu in the solyndra hot seat today. house republicans want to know why the government gave that company a $535 million loan despite warnings that that company was still failing or about to fail. presidential candidate newt gingrich among the republicans calling for chu to be fired now. newly released e-mails show the white house considered doing just that as it braced for the political storm over the now bankrupt solar company. an alleged sex abuse victim is ready to testify against former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky. this as penn state campus and local police are now shooting down assistant coach mike mcquery's claim that he went to the cops to report sandusky after he witnessed something in the shower back in 2002. investigators finally questioned mcquery last year after coming across an internet chat room post that said a penn state coach had seen something ugly and kept quiet about it. sweeping changes coming to immigration courts across the country. today, the department of homeland security will begin a review of all deportation cases. the agency will also launch a nationwide training program for law enforcement agents and prosecuting attorneys. the program would advise them to skip prosecution of illegals wanted on lesser crimes and focus more on serious felons. the hope -- to unclog the courts and speed up deportation for convicted criminals. call them liars for hire. a texas-based company taking a page out of seinfeld's book. >> is that the unemployment office? i told them i was very close to getting a job with vanderlay industries and gave them your phone number. when the phone rings, you have to answer vanderlay industries. >> i'm vanderlay industries? >> right. >> what's that? >> you're in latex. >> you and george costanza can go to the reference store, a web site that provides job seekers with fake resumes and use really good phone references for $50. the company says what it's doing is not illegal though it understands why some people would find it morally objectionable. those are your headlines. >> $900,000 salary and a $6 million bonus. good deal on taxpayer dime? way too good. good enough that the republicans and democrats would agree on one thing, they are outraged by what the ceo's of fannie and freddie made and they bought mike williams, ceo of fannie mae and charles halderman, ceo of freddie mac to capitol hill to get their side of the very rich story. >> keep in mind, while we know that fannie and freddie have cost us a boatload of dough, something like $151 billion since the mortgage collapse, keep in mind, fannie and freddie right now have a $5 trillion portfolio of mortgages. so they got to manage those. plus there's about a trillion dollars worth of new business every year. that's one of the reasons why the ceo's were on capitol hill yesterday saying look, if we're going to have quality people, we have to pay them a lot. >> these are challenging jobs in challenging circumstances and we need to pay and reward the people who are doing the jobs. >> i understand that you need to have people in those positions who know what they're doing. >> competent. >> i bet there are a lot of unemployed executives right now who would take those jobs who are qualified who would take those jobs for less money. is this just another example of throwing government money at something because for so long, nobody was paying attention and why did they put in the fine print, you only had to achieve modest performance gains to be eligible for $12.5 million in bonuses? it just doesn't seem to add up in our current times. >> i want to know who ok'd these salaries to begin with. for example, they didn't write them in themselves. it's not a private company so in 2008 when freddie and fannie were propped up by the u.s. government because it would be worst for the country if they collapsed, i'm sure somebody jotted that down. and this guy -- these guys didn't say it yesterday but they're saying overall, i need to make this much money but they didn't say -- >> what the number is. >> who allowed them to get this money and they didn't say, well, the government gave me this, what do you want me to do? >> sure, they say they have to be competitive. john thune, the esteemed senator from the northern plains wants the president of the united states to step in because it's time. >> my question is where is the president in all this? i mean, why can't the president, these people work for him. he set -- his pay czar set the executive pay at freddie mac and fannie mae, he should come in and suspend these bonuses right now but there are -- there is legislation working its way through congress. >> ok. so they could probably suspend it but isn't that going against a deal that's been done? probably undo that. probably not. >> this is one of the few things on capitol hill where there's bipartisan anger about it, democrats and republicans are both very upset about this. what do you feel about it? we asked for e-mails and tweets. debbie in mississippi says is there no sanity left in washington? here's a novel idea. if any of these executives had any morals at all, they would decline the bonuses. instead, they're laughing all the way to the bank. >> let's go tweet now. bonuses should not be paid. they are for performing, not for breathing. and that's interesting point. >> here's another tweet from ed, fannie, freddie, post office, gmc, proof government can't run business. get them out of it! darrell issa was doing some grilling yesterday on capitol hill. he was really furious. and he asked the ceo's some very pointed questions about do you remember the first time you made a million dollars? they couldn't. couldn't remember a lot of things about big money and big salaries and he will be joining us this hour. >> and he's a self-made millionaire. >> yeah, he's done well. >> from california, one of the main things going on on capitol hill, will this super committee come up with $1.2 trillion in cuts? by next wednesday? will they do it? according to you, 78% of you believe they won't, it will be a total failure. what will happen then? those automatic cuts will go into effect. and that means the department of defense is going to pay the price. >> $1.2 trillion. >> right. >> we've heard from leon panetta, the secretary of defense now who said that would be catastrophic. now, we're hearing from the former secretary of defense, robert gates, what he thinks about a disaster impending. >> i think, frankly, that creation of this super committee was a complete abdication of responsibility on the part of the congress. it basically says this is too hard for us. give us a package where all i have to do is vote it up or vote it down and i don't have to take any personal responsibility for any of the tough decisions. so now we're left with this sort of damaclese hanging over the government, hanging over defense, and if these cuts are automatically made, i think that the results for our national security will be -- will be catastrophic. >> and the reason he says that is because then they go into the sequestration phase where they take them out of the government. they don't take the money out immediately but after the presidential elections. >> our troop levels will go back to pre-world war ii. >> it's really draconian. so anyway, will they -- e-mail us, do you think they'll come to an agreement? 78%, as gretch said, say no. >> i say yes. >> i do, too. at the end of the day, they got to do something. >> why else would they be called super? >> i'm taking the fifth right now. i don't have a lot of trust. brand new polls show americans trust newt gingrich but they like mitt romney better. which is more important in an election? a fair and balanced debate with juan williams and andrea tantaros coming up. >> hunters, hold your fire! they're about to make new rules for public land. no shooting. it might be too loud. >> too noisy! we'll check in with the ice man as he tries to break a guiness world record, nearly two hours under ice. can he do it? stay tuned. >> just 30 minutes, he needs an hour and 52 minutes. this is so exciting. 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gingrich is on top. with 30%. so is trust or likeability more important in the election? joining me now are the co-hosts of "the five" andrea tantaros and juan williams. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> juan, does it really matter if you like the candidate? i know that was so important in getting president obama elected but let's face it, leaders aren't always miss congeniality, are they? >> they are. generally it's a threshold. think back in my lifetime, ronald reagan, bill clinton the first, george bush 43. these are very likable people, you know that old standard, would you like to have a beer with this guy? and they all meet it. so it's a problem but it's very important that it's clear from the poll that newt gingrich has the strength which is people see him as experienced and that's why i think he goes almost double romney in terms of the ability to deal with the most critical foreign policy issue, you know, use of nuclear weapons, holding the black bag. >> andrea, is likeability going to be as important in 2012 when many americans think the for their children for the first time ever in this country will be worse than it ever has been for any other generation. will likeability and baggage for that matter matter? >> well, look, likeability is hugely important. i mean, you look back at past candidates who have had challenges in that area, mike dukakis, for example, and al gore, they can turn it around. you remember richard nixon. that's what gingrich is trying to do now. people have a short term memory in politics. when things are so dire and so serious as they are now, people want a trusted leader. remember, barack obama's likeability is still very high but when you look at his approval ratings on his handle accident of the issues, they're all below 40% so i think newt gingrich maybe needs to take some pointers from juan williams who is super likable. >> all right. a shoutout to you even though you most always disagree. 12% of people are still undecided. i mean, that to me is a pretty big chunk which could totally change the way in which you're looking at this, right, juan? >> yeah, and i think it's like 60% who say they definitely don't think they're in any position to make up their minds so what you see is that the g.o.p. electorate, the people who are out there in the field, gretchen, are still searching which tells you something about the quality of the field. i think people are pretty disappointed. i think the republican establishment looking for candidates like chris christie, mitch daniels, haley barbour, they're still searching for that magic man or magic woman. >> do you agree with that, andrea? >> i totally agree. if you look at the polls this week out, bloomberg poll, all the polls in iowa that shows these four frontrunners in a dead heat, almost 60% of respondents said that they're willing to change their vote so there's so much fluidity to this race. it's really anybody's game at this point. >> all right. andrea and juan, we enjoy seeing you on "the five". have a great day. >> thank you. >> you, too. >> take care, gretch. >> the white house has been hailing that the auto bailout was a huge success. but our next guests say it put them out of work. and now they're pushing washington to get their businesses and their jobs back. 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joining me is a former owner of a dealership and vice president of dar cars automotive and co-author of "outrage" that tells the true story of how these private businessmen and women got screwed. welcome to both of you. first, tammy to you. what alerted you that these arbitrary closings of dealerships was arbitrary and sometimes personal? >> well, i sat through all of the proceedings at the chrysler bankruptcy hearings in new york as part of the unsecured creditors committee and i was hearing live first hand, i mean, just the abundance of lies that were told in these court proceedings and they got away with it. >> you're talking about 1,000 g.m. dealerships, 800 chrysler dealerships closed overnight. businesses lost. >> yes, and for absolutely no reason. please remember, these are privately owned, privately capitalized businesses. that we jeopardize the jobs of over 170,000 direct jobs in america for absolutely no reason. >> and, you know, through your hard work, you've gotten a lot of those g.m. dealerships back. let's go to mark. how did you find out that your chrysler line was being ripped from underneath you? >> i found out when i read it in one of the local publications and unfortunately, chrysler released it to the news media before they actually called their dealers. >> what reason did they give you? >> he said that i was a multiline dealer and later on in court, we found out through testimony that in fact, although they testified under oath, they took -- they closed my dealership because i was a multiline dealer, we forced the court to give out executive e-mails, turn over executive e-mails and those e-mails contradicted their testimony. simply they committed perjury to go after a vendetta. >> for example, the dealership complained about the quality of a car, the way it was delivered, what they're asking them to do. they weren't on the bad list, even if you're successful like mark is incredibly successful, they got shuttered. this was personal. what proof do you have? >> well, of course, there is several e-mails that were made public between executives sort of as a game, a rouse of let's get rid of this guy. he's beligerent. we don't like him and all of that was made public. >> you got everybody together. helped get them together, get them on the same page and control the outrage and get action. out of 1,000 dealerships closed you got a lot back, correct? >> yes, we did. several hundred dealers were restored. unfortunately, many others that were given the right to be restored have already lost their credit lines and had to file bankruptcy and everything. >> mark, this has been buried under. a lot of people think the car dealerships is a good story. the president is running on it. you're the reality, though. you're an american business, a private entrepreneur that took financial risk, was successful and got screwed in a country that's supposed to be a democracy. how do you feel about that? >> it's horrible. the taxpayers actually funded a process where people got away with committing perjury, lying and settling vendettas at the cost of small businesses. these small businesses that i personally support, autism speaks and association for retarded children, i don't know what they accomplished by hurting myself and these charities but the chrysler, jeep, dodge company as my personal opinion hasn't -- hasn't really accomplished much by doing this. >> my last question to you, which action are you taking? you're not one to sit idly by. what are we hearing about the chance of getting some financial renumeration? >> i think that's really important is the special investigator of tarp funds completed a 45 page report that was made public but they will not release any documents because the administration has requested that this investigation remain as "ongoing" so that under the freedom of information act, they're not required to release information. if you thought the scandal at watergate was something, this makes watergate look like child's play. >> it's all an outrage. tammy and mark helping others who are going through a similar situation while trying to point out the outrage to the american people. here's what the treasury department says. 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[ toy robot sounds ] >> your shot of the morning is on ice. he's on ice this morning, iceman wim hof covered in ice on our plaza attempting to break the guiness world record for a full body ice immersion. his goal is to stay there for just under 1 hour 52 minutes. can we pull out the camera to see how much time he's been in there? is it about 50 minutes he's been in there? >> we have the ticker right over the screen. >> here it comes. there it goes. >> another hour. >> does he -- >> he looks calm. >> right, he meditates. >> he's frozen. >> he's frozen in time. >> right now, i would think it would be easy if you're in italian because italians have a lot of body hair. >> i know that because i am half italian. he is dutch. >> he's got some facial hair. that's not helping him down south. >> yes. >> ok. and that's where we're going to leave it just for now. we'll keep checking in with wim hof and now to the other headlines for today. massive bunker busting bombs are in the hands of the pentagon. contracted 20 bombs from boeing. some have already been delivered. the bombs give the u.s.a. greater ability to destroy the enemy's weapons of mass destruction. he denies the bombs are designed to target iran. >> meanwhile, at least four people killed in a massive path of destruction left strong storms across the southeast overnight. take a look at some of the damage. dozens of houses and businesses were destroyed. it's believed tornadoes touched down in louisiana, mississippi, alabama and south carolina. crews this morning still trying to restore power to thousands of people but as you can see a lot of trees down on the poles. >> all right. president obama is no longer a cigarette smoker. according to a report from his doctor and just moments ago, the white house released a message from the president urging smokers to take part in the american cancer society's great american smokeout today. >> the fact is quitting smoking is hard. believe me. i know. but we can make it easier which is why we have resources available through the department of health and human services at hhs.gov to help more americans put down cigarettes for good. >> president obama using nicotine replacement therapy to kick the habit. it took him five years to quit. some people can't. >> i love this story. the sexiest man alive -- >> enough of this! this is not -- >> take the publicity. >> despite the sexiest of this pose, it's not brian? the coveted title goes to actor bradley cooper. "the hangover" star topped the list of the top heartthrobs fortunately even though he's single, he doesn't consider himself a ladies man even though he dates jennifer lopez and other attractive women on the side. the first thought he had after he found out is my mom is going to be so happy. they just picked him because he's dating the hottest chicks right now. i say we go back to brian kilmeade as the sexiest man alive and keep that pose. >> also dating the hottest chicks right now. i'm only kidding. >> i did at one point ask j. lo before she got married whether or not those rumors were true. >> no, steve, you asked her to deny it, did she? >> pretty much. we're just friends. you must be more excited, the fact that we can do sports today. >> from the basketball court to the federal court, nba players suing the league for antitrust regulations. the lockout in its fifth month, games have been canceled through december 15th. coming up, we'll talk to one guy who got out of this mess just in time. superstar shaquille o'neill joins us next hour, my body double. football hall of famer out of a job this morning after speaking out in support of his former college football coach joe paterno. misdemeanor owe -- the meadows race track and casino hired him a few months ago to help them in the p.r. department. they canned him after speaking out for paterno. they have a special and franco harris is on the special to air this saturday. call it caddy shack, tiger woods making nice with former caddie stevie williams at the 2011 presidents cup. a lovely moment. that greg norman helped set up. they have been locked in a bitter feud since woods fired williams earlier this summer. the new zealander even made a racially insensitive remark about tiger. they've agreed to be cordial. he and his partner lost big time yesterday in the game of golf. >> all right. let's talk about this that's happening in the white house right now. there's a proposal from the white house to push gun owners off the millions of acres of public land. where they might go out and do some target shooting or practice shooting. why? because they claim that urbanites, city dwellers who come out to these park areas to hike or to run, that they actually get freaked out. their direct quote. they get freaked out by the sound of gunfire. >> right, and it's not that they feel that they -- there's a safety issue, it's just that if you're out walking your dog and you hear somebody shooting, that's disturbing! so what the department of interior is looking at is suspending that rule that's allowed people to do some hunting and target practice as well. we asked you what you thought, you know, this would be the first move by the administration to impose limits on guns. they said this -- this is why i spent 20 years in the service of country for, to watch our rights be eroded one by one by a white house that does not believe in our rights. >> can he be the voice of james? >> james of louisiana says this administration has been the greatest salesman for the firearms industry ever. they are known to be hostile towards the second amendment. banning places to shoot is one more attack on that liberty. can you be a tweet? >> guns too loud? legalize silencers, oh, but wait, that's too simple. doesn't congress have better things to worry about. geez! >> you know, the funny thing is when you look at the safety records, you are more likely to be injured not by shooting guns or getting shot on public land than you would be if you were riding in an atv, all terrain vehicle. those are more dangerous than guns and yet, they're trying to crack down on them. >> don't get on an atv with a gun. that would make it doubly dangerous. >> couldn't stay secret for long. check out this tunnel to tiju a tijuana, four football fields long! wait until you see what was found inside. >> why would they want a tunnel. wall street protesters promising to create chaos across new york city today. are they really teaching the fat cats a lesson? who is really going to pay? peter johnson jr. is next. he will not be protesting. he'll be talking about them. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles for up to 16 hours of relief. that's 8 hours while you wear it, plus an additional 8 hours of relief after you take it off. can your patch, wrap, cream or rub say that? so if you've got pain... get up to 16 hours of pain relief with thermacare. and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. 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know about you but i saw some tap dancing worthy of "dancing with the stars" yesterday on capitol hill. >> there really was a lot of tap dancing because ultimately, they're justifying that these two organizations backed completely by your dollars, $100, almost $200 billion of your money tied up and the rest of trillions of dollars underwritten and guaranteed that somehow they're the same as private fund or a bank and, of course, there are losses of tens of millions of dollars not just this year but for many years to come is somehow the equivalent of for profit entity where bonuses come with success. >> right. exactly. and they've been really good so far at losing billions of our dollars. now they need, what, they need $6 billion more to continue operations but they need something like $10 million more just for big ceo and executive compensation. bonuses. and there are people, congressman, who are absolutely furious that while they lose money, they need more money. >> well, you're exactly right, steve, and the 35 or so million dollars paid in bonuses to the top few executives, although small relative to the intersurprisinter-- enterprises, send the wrong message. the message that business as usual, these professionals many who have been their whole career, and got us into this trouble, you get these big bonuses in spite of huge losses and no end in sight. >> here's the problem and here's the conundrum for trying to figure out pay scales at fannie and freddie. fannie and freddie is a quasi government private entity. you know, the government backs it up and yet, they sell stock and stuff like that. and so they say look, if we're going to compete with wall street, we got to have wall street sized bonuses which they've gotten away with. >> well, steve, until recently, i sat on the board of the public company that i founded and on the compensation committee, we went through pages and pages with specificity of what our ceo and cfo and general counsel would have to achieve in order to earn bonuses that were not that generous. our biggest problem is we asked for and received the most vague two pages of how they achieve their bonuses and what we discovered was it was discretionary board -- a board that is basically picked for them. and that's not the way it's supposed to be. if they hit documented milestones and they were reasonable, we wouldn't have had the hearings so contentious but very clearly, this is just business as usual. they're going to get these bonuses regardless of losses. and we had another problem which was, as you went down, you saw things like the chief counsel at these two firms making $3 million a piece. studies show for about $400,000 a piece, you could have gotten that skill set. >> right. but the ceo's yesterday said look, we got $5 trillion worth of mortgage assets. we need qualified people to go ahead and manage that. so we don't lose our shirt for uncle sam. >> well, this is like the menendez brothers complaining about being orphans and saying you've got to work with them. very clearly, this is a mess they made. yes, there are a lot of dollars. but they're not heading in the right direction. and more importantly, many of these assets over a quarter of a million homes that should be liquidated off their books, bloomberg had a scathing article that basically they're sitting on them and only 10,000 of them are rented so vacant homes all over america are part of what they're mismanaging while they're claiming that they've earned these bonuses and other committees have morning jurisdiction to look at the mismanagement of the various programs. we were looking at whether or not there was a necessity to have these -- this pay and whether or not these bonuses were documented and they weren't. >> well, your outrage yesterday was well placed and a lot of people are furious with all the dough they're getting. thank you very much for joining us from our d.c. bureau. >> thank you, steve. >> wall street protesters 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"fox & friends" starts right now >> this is emeril legace and you're watching "fox & friends." >> gretchen: that guy on ice needs a little red hot cooking from emeril. michelle malkin is right around the corner and senator scott brown. >> brian: scott brown wants to get another six years. >> steve: sure. also governor shaquille o'neal, a brand-new book called shaq uncut. we're not going to cut him because he'll be on the program today. >> brian: it's a great book. how does he feel about the lockout and other things. karl rove wrote a great column about the navy seals that he had a chance to go and spend quality time with. we'll talk about that and also the gop field and how newt gingrich is holding up to some of the controversy surrounding him as a front runner. >> steve: i think mr. rove got hooted down in baltimore. we'll talk with him about that as well. >> gretchen: let's get to your headlines. energy secretary steven chiou in the solyndra hot seat. they want to know why they gave the company a loan despite warnings that the company was failing. presidential candidate newt gingrich among the republicans calling for chiou to be fired now. newly released e-mails show the white house considered doing just that as it braced for the political storm over the now bankrupt solar company. alleged sex abuse victim ready to testify against former penn state assistants coach jerry sandusky. this as penn state campus and local police are now shooting down assistant coach mike mcqueary's claims that he did, in fact, go to the police to report sandusky back in 2002 when he saw that event in the shower. investigators finally questioned him last year after coming across an internet chat room post that said a penn state coach had seen something ugly and kept quiet about it. changes coming to immigration courts across the country. the department of homeland security will begin a review of all the deportation cases. they will also launch a nationwide training program for law enforcement agents and prosecuting attorneys. this program now is going to advise them to skip prosecution of illegals wanted on lesser crimes and focus more on serious felons. the hope from this program is to unclog the courts and speed up deportations for convicted criminals. talk about giving cops the run for their money. officer high school to chase down a dog on busy freeway, on this one in arizona just after it jumped out of its owner's car. officers eventually caught up with the dog, dodging cars going 70 miles per hour and safely returning the dog to its owner. >> steve: sit, ubu, sit. now to the mayhem here in manhattan this morning. countless occupy protesters taking to the streets right now for a nationwide day of action. but as you can see, here in new york city, we got plenty of police on hand as well. >> brian: right now i believe we have the police outnumber the protesters. now the latest. what's happening, craig? the numbers swelling? >> yeah. good morning to you. zuccotti park, you can't see because i have a police truck behind me. the park emptied out. take a look at some of the aerials and where you can see they're rallying outside new york stock exchange. that's where the number of protesters has been increasing all morning. it is getting a larger amount, larger group of protesters there, outnumbering almost the police now. protesters have been out numbered by police here since they were cleaned out, evicted here early tuesday morning. talked to a lot of protesters this morning, say they want to disrupt trading. they want to disrupt subways this afternoon. but they're not looking for clashes with police. the tension has been increasing here this morning with the level of activity. as it picks up, so does the level of tension. when you look at the live picture with the crowd there, picture that in 16 subway stations around 3:00 o'clock this afternoon. that is one of the events protesters have planned today to disrupt transportation and this evening around 5:00 o'clock at foley square. interesting to see whether they spread the message or whether this disruption turns people against the message and to see how this plays out throughout this day and what happens tomorrow as this movement moves forward, if, in fact, it does move forward. >> steve: craig, we thank you very much. the occupiers would probably be out there, but they like to sleep in. >> gretchen: they're not sleeping in the tents anymore. let's bring in michelle malkin live from colorado springs, colorado. good morning to you, michelle. >> good morning to you, gretchen. >> gretchen: so keeping with the theme of the occupy protesters here, it looks like this white house shooting suspect may have tried to blend in with the occupy protesters in dc when he came from out west. i pose this question to you this morning: what would have happened if a tea party person had tried to do that? >> well, i think it's pretty predictable what would have happened. i've talked about this tendency before to blame righty. blame righty syndrome on the part of the main stream media over the last couple of years every time there is some incident of random violence committed usually by somebody who is mentally ill and the impulse has been by people who are detractors of grassroots conservatives to somehow tie it, even in the most remotest way possible, to the tea party movement, to republicans, to sarah palin, to any of their gop opponents. in this case, of course, there is now conflicting testimony or evidence of whether he was in the occupy dc camp. but apparently reportedly, allegedly there is somebody within that movement who confirmed that he was there at the camps. the police are not going to be completely forth coming about what they found in their investigation. but the early reports even from police sources were that he was blending in with this crowd. now, i am not going to engage in the same kind of exploitation of this particular incident that all of the tea party detractors did when the gabriel giffords shooting happened or holocaust shooting, because i think this is like many of those other cases where the guy was completely off his rocker and had nothing to do with any coherent sense of political ideology. >> steve: right. and michelle, maybe you saw the video yesterday. there is another fellow who, in new york city, said, we're going to burn this f word town down and i'm going to throw a molatov cocktail into macy's. >> brian: you're just taking it the wrong way, steve. >> steve: yeah, right. he's now being described in the local papers as being mentally unstable. >> yeah. well, see, these are separate problems when you have the fact that these encampments, i call them the camp alinski kids, are becoming criminal magnets across the country and you do have to question, in this case, where you have these people who are stoking violent rhetoric, where that's all coming from. and there is a larger plan of manufactured crisis and chaos that has been in the works in academia and places like columbia university of momenting this agitation as a accusation for bigger government intervention. >> brian: the thing that bothers me most is that the money they're sucking out of new york city, they have to put $7 million minimum into police overtime, let alone the other cities, and now they have to put more today because of these protests or potential protests and now you also have the sanitation department who had to work through the nights, trucks to come in and clean up their mess and stick it in storage and allow people to come pick it up. this is a colossal waste of time and money. >> it's out of control. it's a threat to law abiding people and businesses, as we've seen with so many of these documented threats now across the country, and one wonders, as i did last night aloud, where the white house is on tamping down a lot of this dangerous rhetoric. it's an old lefty saying that silence equals complicity, and i think it ought to be applied to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> gretchen: initially the president spoke out in favor of them. he said that he could understand why they were there. it's no now a touchy subject for any politician to be part of. let me bring you back to something else that the president may be involved in and that is this half billion dollars drug deal for a smallpox vaccination, even though it's basically been eradicated from the world for, i don't know, 30 years or so. >> yeah. this is another half billion dollar crony deal and i really do think it is literally hazardous to people's health. it's actually a smallpox antiviral drug that apparently this huge pharmaceutical company, sega technology, which is tied to one of obama's big-time democrat donors, ron pearlman, got this no big contract from the obama administration over the objections not only of scientists outside of the administration, but also people inside who evaluated some of the rather inflated claims of profit margins from this company. i think what's more interesting -- this is all on my web site with a lot of background links and information at michellemalkin.com -- is the role of one andy stern, a very frequent visitor of the white house, the form of head of the service employees international union, who happened to sit on the board of sega technologies and he -- at a crucial time when these contracts were being decided. now, remember this is the president who vowed to end the abuse of no bid contracts and anticompetitive crony deals now handing them out. this deal in particular is under scrutiny by house gop investigators, has been for months, and the l.a. times reported it over the weekend. but other than that, there has been very little scrutiny of this thing. >> steve: all right. but you talk about it on your web site. michelle malkin, have a great week. we thank you for joining us. >> you bet. >> steve: you probably never heard of the white house stimulus czar. were they trying to keep this secret? elizabeth mcdonald from the "fox business" network is breaking the story coming up next. >> gretchen: so much for freedom of speech. a waitress says she got fired because customers didn't like her tea party bracelet. her story coming up. >> brian: and the iceman is getting closer to breaking the world record -- i'm trying to be ancient greece. 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>> we don't know. he still remains anonymous and the energy -- to their credit, at that time, according to these house panel documents, they had information that solyndra would be out of money, would run out of money by september 2011, which it did and eventually collapsed. >> steve: no kidding. elizabeth mcdonald, breaking story. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> steve: straight ahead, college professor in massachusetts asking students to stop supporting our troops. he says they're just cold-blooded killers. massachusetts senator scott brown here to talk about that. and just about ten minutes left until he can claim another world record. will the iceman pull it off after nearly two hours submerged in solid ice? stick around. he's not going anywhere. >> brian: news by the numbers. first 80. that's the estimated retirement age according to a new wells fargo survey. 1500 middle class americans say they have to work far beyond 65 to retire comfortably. i'm for that. next, 3.37 a gallon. that's expected to be the average price of gas over thanksgiving weekend. that's a record high and 51 cents more than last year. finally, the "new york post" reports that the price of tickets to vice president joe biden's fund raiser in manhattan yesterday, they were supposed tore for 500 bucks. they were negotiable because demand -- he left. >> gretchen: thank you. washington lawmakers are making a killing by allegedly trading stock on inside information. yesterday on the program, author peter shah rightser told us that business executives can't get away with it. but members of congress can. >> when the sec looks at executives on the question of insider trading, they're looking at accessed information and timing. the only class in america exempt are members of congress and it seems to me that the first people you would want to watch would be the politicians in washington. a lot of them coming of modest means and leaving multi-millionaires and that's wrong. >> gretchen: joining me now, someone who is doing something about it, massachusetts senator scott brown. he introduced legislation to stop lawmakers prosecute profiting off -- from profiting off inside information. i imagine since you were a freshman senator, that you can say that you did not know about this. did you know that members of congress had the ability to use insider information to get rich? >> certainly not when i got here. it's something we've been aware of since july and obviously the recent piece brought it to the forefront. i feel it's important not to point any finger, but really close that loophole and obviously reestablish that trust with the american citizenry. >> gretchen: it's interesting because there is a report out this morning that says that 47% of congress members are millionaires. a status shared by 1% of the average american. i don't know how many of those people came into congress already wealthy, but does that number seem askew to you? >> i'm not aware of what everybody makes. i know that i recognized the problem and wanted to file a bill to make sure that we address it. the good news is, i filed the bill. i was the first one to do it and senator lieberman and senator collins granted a hearing on this. we're going to bring it to the forefront and try to get more members, senator rubio is a co-sponsor. we're looking for others. but it's a real issue and people shouldn't be coming here, as you referenced to, in lining their pockets through some type of insider information that enables them to actually take advantage of stock opportunities. that's wrong because the lines we cross here should apply to us as ordinary citizens. >> gretchen: i want to get your thoughts on another topic this morning because in your state of massachusetts, there is a university professor, suffolk university professor, who wants to ban troop donations because he says they would support people who are, quote, killing other human beings. i know that outraged you. >> yeah, to say the least. i can tell you, i've been to afghanistan as a senator and as a soldier very recently. i've seen the look on people's faces who receive them, the soldiers who receive the care packages from people who are friends or family members and i can tell you what, it brings a lot of love and joy to their faces. to have somebody like that sitting in the comfort of a law school office criticizing our soldiers and trying to stop people from showing their love and support, i find shameful. i felt it was important to stand up and make a difference and i challenged all of the students and folks at suffolk to really send a message and overly donate and get those care packages out in tremendous amounts. >> gretchen: i just want to read the quote. this was in an e-mail from professor michael avery. i think it's shameful, he says, that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings. you know, it was interesting because a lot of the students, they spoke out against -- that takes some guts. they spoke out against the professor and said, we're still sending packages and apparently one of their fellow students was serving overseas. we want to make sure that our viewers and you know that we have a list where you can send your care packages. it's on our web site, of course, "fox & friends".com. always great to get your thoughts on topics of the day. we'll talk to you again sometime soon. >> look forward to it. thank you. >> gretchen: moments from now, we're expecting brand-new jobless numbers from the labor department. then you'll all remember the last time shaq stopped by our show. well, brian got beat pretty back. a smack down might be an understatement. today shaq is back. brian is going to try and dunk it on the ladder. and the iceman is ten minutes from break ago guiness world record. spending the most time on ice. see if he can do it right after the break. what's going on here? 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[ applause ] i feel guilty because columbia i can't has this brand-new jacket that's heating me while he sits there naked in ice cubes. now you're about to see what's left of whim. right now he's still building on his record. now it stops. >> one hour a 2 minutes and 43 second. >> brian: without, unbelieve -- wow! unbelievable. any words to describe how cold you are? >> yeah. real cool. >> brian: was it harder than you thought? oh, my goodness. where do you get this body control from? does anyone have a robe for you? look at your back! >> yeah. >> brian: can someone get him a towel? now you're going to plunge right into columbia-provided hot water. is this -- are you worried about getting a heart attack? what are you feeling right now? >> okay. yeah. really good. >> brian: what are you going to do after this? go to a sauna? >> i'm in the water right now. i feel good. >> brian: he feels good. you've done something extraordinary. this makes it official. show the cameras, whim. you are now the longest time spent holder -- achieved by whim of the netherlands. we'll adopt you and we did it here live on "fox & friends." whim, the 19th record, is it like your first? >> it's always new. yeah, i mean, if you break the record, then -- yeah. that's a new record. >> brian: right. you have it. and the guiness people are here to prove it. now, in the big picture, you're a guy that needs goals. so as you sit here in hot water after sitting in freezing ice what, is next? >> next is i'm going to run 15-kilometers in the desert without drinking. >> brian: fantastic. your body is going to hate you. >> life is a challenge. >> brian: when you do this, it is certainly a challenge. it's hard to imagine someone having a more challenging things to do list on this thursday, november 17. congratulations, whim. and you did a great thing this morning. >> thank you very much. >> brian: and if you see him, if you actually see him and you're in new york city, leave him alone. he's just warming up. now the official record is one hour, 53 minutes -- 52 minutes and 42 seconds. guys, congratulations, wim. thank you very much. and also, thanks to columbia for providing this jacket and i appreciate it. it's what they're offering now. they also provided you, wim, with a hot tub. good job. back inside. >> gretchen: i have a feeling he needed the tub more than you needed the jacket. >> steve: if you notice in the background, there are new yorkers just passing by, just walking by. yeah, there is that guy who was encased in ice and now he's pretty much naked sitting in a hot tub outside a sky scraper. >> gretchen: doesn't phase new yorkers. >> steve: congratulations. very nicely done. >> gretchen: glad he's okay. coming up on the show, according to the latest polls, mitt romney and newt gingrich have the best chance at beating president obama in 2012. but which candidate will be gop base rally behind now? karl rove offers his perspective. >> steve: then never a dull moment which that man right there, shaquille o'neal, is here. big man returns to "fox & friends" after this. good morning to you, shaq. what's better than gold ? free gold ! we call that hertz gold plus rewards. you earn free days, free weeks and more fast. that's a plus. upgrade your ride. that's a plus. rewards with no blackout dates so you can redeem anytime. and it's easy to redeem your points online. already a gold member ? just select gold plus rewards in your profile and start rewarding yourself now. just go to hertzgoldplusrewards.com to join. hertz gold plus rewards. journey on. ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. gives you a 50% annual bonus! so you earn 50% more cash. according to research, everybody likes more cash. well, almost everybody... ♪ would you like 50% more cash? no! but it's more money. 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'cause i've been everywhere. germany, texas, georgia. >> brian: when you met wim, buried in ice, you felt as though you knew him because of your globe trotting? >> something like that. >> brian: growing up, you had a hard time, your dad was all over you. sometimes he even got physical with you. he provided a lot of discipline. you feared him for a while, but you said i needed that. why? >> i needed that because i grew up in a tough area. a lot of people in the area come from a one-parent household. if it wasn't for my mother and my father, i probably wouldn't be here right now. he taught me to be a leader and not a follower. we don't call it physical. we call it spanking. >> brian: right. >> gretchen: very interesting. because that seems to be a hot topic in society today. >> yes, it is. >> gretchen: you agree with that kind of discipline now? >> i mean, i don't want to sit here and tell parents what to do, but for me, it worked for me and i'm glad he did it and if we had to do it again, i would want him to do the same thing. >> brian: you talk about you had knee problems growing up. you had people that took an interest in you. everyone thought you were born a great basketball player. you actually were made. you couldn't jump. you were having problems and you actually worked your way through this and ended up with a full scholarship. your dad wouldn't let you play football because he said, no, no, you're going to go to college. >> right. so i practiced every day. i just practiced hard, just woke up and practiced hard, was dreaming and wanted to be like dr. j. i wanted to be in the nba. i wanted to do this and that and they encouraged me. >> gretchen: so everyone around the world knows you as shaq. but now you're telling people, look, you may have to change the name that you call me because we're going to be calling shaq doctor? >> hopefully. >> gretchen: what are you working on? >> i'm working on my ph.d. hopefully i graduate in march. right now i'm working on my dissertation. you have to write it and then defend it and hopefully the committee will say yes, he's smart enough to be a doctor. >> gretchen: in what field? >> human resource development at burring university in miami. the topic is duality of humor and seriousness in leadership styles. i'm interested to see who is more effective. >> brian: if you were controlling this country, you would use a sense of humor. >> yes, because i like to make people laugh. i would like to let people know everything is okay and -- because laughing relieves stress. i like to laugh. >> gretchen: so true. so you -- >> this morning i called you cory. >> gretchen: so you actually understand from a doctor point of view brian's sense of humor? >> he has a great sense of humor. even when he thought that he was going to beat me last time we played. that was funny. >> brian: i think when we look back at that video, i've done a lot better than you would have thought. here i am penetrating inside, 'cause i know that's a weakness in your game. okay. i was able to get a rebound, crash into the camera, and come on the outside. now, watch this. i'm realizing you have a few inches of height and i'm playing defense on you. >> that's a foul. >> gretchen: no doubt. [ laughter ] >> gretchen: poor brian. i told you, shaq, in the commercial, he told everybody he beat you. unfortunately there is something called videotape. >> brian: the lockout, any sign it will end? >> hopefully they can come to some sort of agreement. it's kind of a shame right now. the only people that really lose is the fans 'cause we're coming off a great year last year. i think we'll come to some sort of decision soon. >> brian: when? >> either february or never. >> gretchen: his new autobiography "shaq uncut." his story. pick it up. great to see you. >> brian: if you want to catch up with shaq, follow you on tout. it's like twitter with videotape. >> tout is 15 seconds of video. my slogan is why tweet when you can tout? same thing. >> brian: it's cool. nice to see you again. i never want to see you again. >> gretchen: coming up on the show, the latest polls say mitt romney and newt gingrich have a good chance of beating president obama in 2012. who will voters rally behind? karl rove is up next? let's check in with martha for the top of the hour. >> good morning. so i guess now it is newt with the target on his back. the new leader of the pack says that he has nothing to explain about his relationship with freddie mac. so will that work? and throw them all out. that is the author of the new book that made some folks on capitol hill a bit nervous about what is behind the curtain there. he's here to respond to charges that he lied and what the police are now saying in the penn state case. coming up at the top of the hour, bill and i join you then. -one. -two. -three. -one. two. three. one. -two. -three. -one. -two. -three. 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>> well, it doesn't help. it hurts. look, if it happened one time, it would be one thing. but there have been a whole series of these, earlier in the campaign he didn't show any familiarity with the palestinian right of return, he didn't have is a policy on afghanistan. he said that he would negotiate with al-qaeda to release terrorists and then he wouldn't negotiate with them. i mean, if it happened once, it would be one thing, but it's happened a lot of times. so it does raise questions about is he ready for prime time. as you see, he's dropped in the polls. he sort of peaked in the middle of october and has been in a decline since then. in part because of the accusations of sexual harassment, but also in part because he's not measured up to people's expectations. >> steve: as he has tumbled, newt gingrich has risen. in fact, brand-new fox news poll out, newt is a little above romney. now people are going, all right. who is the gop establishment, whatever the heck that is, going to get behind? >> think about it. when we think about establishment, newt gingrich, former speaker of the house of representatives, that's about as establishment as you can get. 23, 22. newt on top and more important is that he moved up pretty consistently from the high teens to the low -- from the high single digits to the low teens to mid teens and now into the 20s. and has done so since -- as others have risen and fallen, newt has risen in part -- large part because of the very good performances in the debating. and the adult on the stage. >> gretchen: no doubt all these debates helped him. it's interesting, it makes me think of a couple of things. pundit high school said several things ago, those people in the single digits should get out of the race. whenever we had you on, you, among others would say, no, they shouldn't because you would show who was ahead in 2008 at this time and it ended up being not john mccain. he was only at 13%. >> yeah. and in fact, it's still at this point in 2008, it was rudy guiliani and fred tampson and first -- thompson in second and second. at this point, john mccain moved into third place, but still in single digits was mike huckabee who as we recall, was very competitive with mccain for the nomination. >> brian: let's take a live shot now and you can look on your monitor. the occupy wall street movement. they're trying to block wall street and brooklyn sites and it looks like the cops had to wrestle a couple people to the ground. this is live as we look. what politician wants to embrace this movement? >> well, we've already had several do so. we've had president obama, speaker pelosi, the democratic candidate for the u.s. senate in massachusetts, professor elizabeth warren said she had provided the intellectual foundation for the movement. now, you wonder was this what nancy pelosi meant when she said god bless them for their spahn nayity? was this what the president was saying was helpful and encouraging? professor warren, was the intellectual foundation for violence and breaking the law? i don't think so. >> steve: and you ran into some of the occupy baltimore people down at johns hopkins, right? you got hooted down? >> i didn't get hooted down. they hooted at me. the only problem was, my 35-minute speech took 53 minutes to give. you know what was also interesting that night? there were 15 people removed from the auditorium. 800, 900 people. 15 were removed. and not a single one of them was a johns hopkins student. at the reception, i had a lot of johns hopkins students coming up and say, i didn't agree with your politics, but thanks for coming to our campus and apologized. i said, you don't owe me an apology. this incident -- there was a new poll out from a democratic poll firm showing support for the owl wall street has dropped since october, from 35 to 33 and opposition has risen from 36 to 45. i think america is looking at this group as nuts and lunaticss and passists and say this is not what we agree with. >> brian: i encourage everybody to read your column this week more than any other. you give great perspective on navy seals and the quality of time you spent on the stories you heard. thanks so much. >> thanks cory. i appreciate being on with you. >> brian: i prefer greg. >> greg. bob. >> gretchen: see you next time. coming up, he just broke the record after being encased in ice for nearly two hours. how did wim feel now? 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