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financial reform. it will look a lot like health care reform with regard to how they're going to roll it out. the word on the street is the president will be doing a lot of town hall meetings to try to pass it. look, they think that was really effective as it was because they passed it. right? so now the showdown is whether or not some republicans will come to the side of the fence of the democrats and vote for financial reforms, specifically targeting wall street. >> i'm very confident we'll have the votes of the strong package of financial reforms that will bring the markets out of the dark and help protect taxpayers from having to fund future bailouts and give americans basic protection between fraud and abuse. i'm confident we'll have a strong bill. this is about the basic financial security about the country. about the financial security of all americans and i think we'll see republicans and democrats come together and pass stronger reforms. >> the numbers were overwhelming. american people want some finance reform. we're trying to figure out what happened that destroyed our economy over a year and a half ago and especially they most have concluded and many -- and few argue it started on wall street. people want reform. then get into what is going to be in the reform. what do republicans want? what do democrats want? can they work out? so far, they're talking by each other and not talking with each other. >> scott brown that campaigned in the commonwealth of massachusetts where today it is patriot's day. today is the day they run the marathon. he had campaigned as i would be the 41st vote against health care reform. now he's saying i'm going to be the 41st vote against this financial reform bill because the democrats are saying it's going to fix wall street but republicans say, you know what? this is just another bank bailout. anyway, here's the new senator from massachusetts. yesterday on "face the nation." >> i think the president's political arm is now taking over this debate and it's unfortunate because i, like many others in my state and throughout the country want banks to be banks. they don't want them to be casinos or take risky bets on our money and i think that this is an issue that we can clearly come to common ground and just solve the problem. >> the treasury secretary was saying he's talked to republicans, they'll come aboard. really? because all i hear is there's not a republican that seems they've been won over by the package currently out there by the president. in fact, mr. mcconnell said over the weekend and scott brown pretty much backed it up, he said i have all 41 republican senators in my back pocket. we don't want this. >> this is an easier sell than health care reform because a lot of people don't like wall street. ok? so this will be an easier seles specially amongst independents. you see, the president now feels this wind behind him after health care. independents probably didn't like that as much but i think he's going to have an easier time with independents on financial reform because wall street looks like the big, bad day and it's really complicated to go all the way back to some of those senators who pushed those mortgages that some would argue would be the beginning of the financial decline. it's hard to do that and a lot easier to blame wall street. >> it looks like right now, the democrats are going to try to peel off at least two and they've targeted senators corker and senators gregg and what makes this hard is the republicans and this is what they're saying just like on health care reform, start over because there's some stuff in this that just, you know, let's make it bipartisan. start over, please, mr. president. and so you've got the white house told chris dodd, get rid of that $50 billion bank liquidation thing and so it sounds like if they do, then the republicans will say, wait a minute, we asked to you do that and you did it. now, i guess we have to vote for it? >> yeah, and so listen, over the weekend, people weren't about the timing of this. on friday, goldman-sachs' stock took a 12 point something percent hit and the stock market went flying down. why? because they've made public their charges of fraud against goldman-sachs that really obviously are going to overwhelm the positive statements and earnings they were going to put out next week. what is it? and to boil it down to the simplest terms possible, goldman-sachs put together -- this is the accusation, a fund that would put all the worst of the worst of those subprime mortgages together and make it seem as though they are supporting this subprime package. european banks and other banks bought into it and said it sounds good if goldman-sachs is buying it. secretly, they were betting against it. shorting the market knowing that the subprime mortgages a year and a half ago were going to tank and so were the market and there's memos that leak out. that made everyone from gordon brown to merkel because european banks are affected directly crying foul. with that ugliness comes the finance reform. that is a smart move if you're a democrat. what the republicans should do -- >> what you're saying is the timing coincidental. >> and of course, it's on purpose. it's coincidental. there's no doubt about it. >> so far, this is the only one that's made it clear. >> that's the reason i'm asking. cool this be a warning to other banks that this is exactly what could happen to you and at the same time, we're talking about financial reform of wall street. think about it a little bit if there's some sort of question in there. >> think about this, do you want to tank the stock market in order to pass financial reform because in it, you went from six day winning streak to all of a sudden, everyone lost money on friday. >> sure. and the wall street -- and the goldman-sachs stock had run up considerably. tim geithner in the meantime in that revealing "meet the press" interview said, you know, what is that -- his high school graduation picture? >> i think it is, yes. >> geithner did say the tea party people? you know what? we like them. they're a lot like the obama administration because they're anti-deficit like us. huh? watch. >> let me do the positive side of this. we've just been through eight years where people said, many people said deficits don't matter. we can pass huge tax cuts, pass huge new programs without paying for them. that debate has changed fundamentally. you don't hear people say that others don't matter. you don't hear people say you can pass enormous government expansion without paying for it. >> what people are focusing on now is the fact that the debt, not the deficit but the debt has exploded since the obama administration took over, the public debt, the national debt has gone up $2.2 trillion. that's a lot of jack. >> it's interesting because geithner's boss, the president just three days before basically made fun of the tea parties and said that those people should be thanking him for all of the tax cuts instead of complaining about paying more taxes so was this an orchestrated move or tim geithner to come out and say something positive about the tea parties? because it says something positive about the obama administration and trying to reduce the deficit? >> when you look at -- before we went on vacation, i know we had that poll that showed when you look at the people that were the tea party members, over half of them are democrat and independent and they know those midterm elections are coming. they've got to be nice to all those people who are going to pull that lever. >> like senator barbara boxer? >> even senator barbara boxer who if you remember back in august of last year, she -- when some of these demonstrations were going on and some of these people showed up at one of her book signings, hundreds of people because she wouldn't talk to them regarding health care, she said oh, this is all orchestrated. these people are too well dressed up. well, yesterday, she had some nice things to say about them. >> they need you to be excited, as excited as the tea party people are. will you help me? will you get excited? >> will you help me get re-elected? help, i'm in big trouble! >> she's in a tough race. i mean, she has got -- we know tom campbell on another. they have another candidate chuck davore not far behind and she says flat out this is the hardest race i've had in a long time. the democrats don't have a strong candidate really in governor jerry browne going against meg whitman who has that huge business background and she's pulling ahead of them. in the democratic state of california, could they be looking at a republican senator? i mean, that's how -- where she is. at the age of 69, she's in the fight of her life. >> maybe she doesn't want this particular thing that she said, then, back in august of 2009 to be replayed. >> yeah, i saw some of the clips of people storming these town hall meetings. the last time i saw well dressed people doing this was when al gore asked me to go down to florida when they were recounting the ballot. this is just all organized. just go up on the web site, chris, you in the media have to take a look at what's going on here. this is all planned. >> so there she was alleging that the protesters who she is now kissing up to were all astroturf, fake grassroots stuff. that was then, this is now. they realize -- bye-bye barney frank. they realize on the democrat side, they'll have to be nice to those people because a lot of those people are democrats. >> all right. let's do some headlines for you for your monday morning because today is the 15th anniversary if you can believe it of the oklahoma city bombing. memorial services are taking place at the oklahoma city national memorial to remember the 168 people killed on that tragic day in 1995. ron terrell joining us live outside that location with more. good morning to you. >> good morning, gretchen. again, it's hard to believe it's been 15 years since this happened. very serene morning right now. usually in oklahoma the wind kicks up as we all know. right now, it's perfectly still and it really is kind of setting a perfect scene to look back and to remember those who lost their lives and the family members of those that are still here that are coming out here to pay their respects. it's really an event that not only affected the people that were directly affected by this in terms of family members and friends but the whole community. and there's really two stories here when you talk about the rememberances of those who lost their lives. but it's also about a city rising from the ashes. about a city that has shown such resiliency in the times since then and oklahoma city is a much stronger city than it was 15 years ago and at the same time, each year, they do this so they can remember those who were not as fortunate and lost their lives in that tragic attack, those 168 people that lost their lives on that fateful day back in april of 1995. >> all right. ron, thanks very much. we'll keep a close eye on that story. i've been at that memorial and it's quite a sight to see. the shutdowns on air travel due to volcano eruption in iceland continues to cause so much havoc for millions of travelers costing the aviation industry now at least $200 million a day. the international air transport association says it won't be feasible to "just wait until this ash cloud dissipates". they predict air traffic could return to about 50% of normal levels today. close to 1,000 flights out of the u.s. alone have been canceled. president obama's top military advisor says all options are on the table and the u.s. is prepared to respond to iranian nuclear ambitions. admiral mike mullin spoke at a forum at columbia university. >> i worry that other countries in the region will then seek to -- actually i know they will seek nuclear weapons as well and i think that spiral headed in that direction is a very bad outcome. >> and in response to press reports that defense secretary robert gates had said that the u.s. lacks effective policy for dealing with iran, admiral mullin said the pentagon planned for contingencies all the time and military options do exist. and gates himself says he was not sounding a nuclear alarm with a leaked memo. another fox news alert for you this morning because weather problems may delay this morning's landing of the space shuttle discovery. there are some showers in florida at the moment but they may be moving off shore. so far, nasa has not made a final decision. nasa has two landing windows today. one happens during the show. otherwise, they'll have to try tomorrow. when the landing happens, fox will bring it to you live. country music star making history as the first woman to win entertainer of the year twice. >> carrie underwood! >> carrie underwood being named country music's top entertainer of the year for the second year in a row at the academy of country music awards. congratulations for her. good night for lady antebellum. miranda lambert took home the award for top female vocalist. brad paisley winning top male vocalist. those your quick headlines for monday. >> i saw some of the show last night. it was a good one. >> straight ahead, the trial begins today for one of the three navy seals accused of punching a suspected terrorist. why one of their friends and a former seal is confident that they will be found innocent. that's next. >> and a small victory for plane passengers. we'll tell you why you won't be paying for your carry-ons with certain airlines and carroncarr could indeed be free again. >> a store springs into action when a robber pulls a gun on him. shocking video. straight ahead on a monday. if it's not there are over 5 international awards we'd bter give back. the jaguar xf. the critically acclaimed result of a very different way of thinking. right now, walmart has rolled back prices on top lawn 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(announcer) people everywhere are discovering dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center. backed by foot care scientists, its foot mapping technology identifies the areas you put pressure on then recommends the right orthotic. for locations see drscholls.com. >> the trial begins at camp victory today for one of the three u.s. navy aseals accused of mistreating a detainee in fallujah. scott taylor is a close, personal friend of one of the marines being charged and will be testifying on behalf of petty officers keefe and huertas today. he joins us now. good morning to you. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm doing just fine. thanks so much for getting up so early. you are a friend of scott mccabe. he's the navy seal that's accused of punching this terrorist after they were able to nab him. right? >> correct. >> his trial will take place in norfolk, virginia, in may. but he's over in iraq now testifying on behalf of the other two navy seals. they are charged with covering up for him. is that correct? >> that is correct. yeah, the two trials come actually today for the petty officers and matthew mccabe is over there testifying on their behalf. >> so where do you see this whole thing going? because i know that last week, some of the charges were dropped against these navy seals. but the major charges still exist. what kind of message does this send to the u.s. military? >> well, first of all, i'll say it again. i'm confident these men are innocent and that i believe that it will fall apart and they'll be found innocent. it sends a horrible message, again, to our troops as well as our enemies that all they had to do is accuse our folks of beating them and you have three of our top warriors taking off the battlefield just for somebody accusing them of punching them. >> you're a former navy seal. it's tough out there, isn't it? i mean, these guys want to kill you, right? >> absolutely. seals are highly professional warriors and they operate in very ambiguous situations and again, you can't have politics infused there at the battlefield level. >> we're paying close attention to this trial as it continues to move on today. the trial begins at camp victory for two of those navy seals. for your friend scott mccabe in may in virginia. scott taylor, thanks for being our guest today. >> thank you very much. god bless you all. >> thank you. coming up on the show, bank of america seizes a woman's home even taking her beloved parrot. but her home wasn't even on foreclosure. hear what that woman wants to do to the bank next. and we've heard this story, you know that westboro baptist chump known for holding those protests at military funerals. did you know that they don't pay taxes? 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angela joins us right now along with her attorney michael rosenzwig to talk about what happened. angela, so you walked up to your house that day, not too long ago and you discovered your house had been padlocked and there was a sticker on the door, right? >> yes. >> what did the sticker say? >> it had bank of america's phone number on it and we called that number. >> right. >> after i had the police there, we had to cut the lock, called that number and got no help from that. >> ok. we're looking at a sticker like what had been on the door. it said the house had been winterized. what does that mean? >> they cut my washer line, shut off all my utilities and poured antifreeze on all my drains. >> ok. so they completely ransacked your house and they took your parrot, right? >> yes. >> where was the parrot? >> well, i didn't know for over a week. finally, the contractor that took it called and said i could come get it. they wouldn't even bring it back. i had to drive two hours to go pick him up. >> man, i know you did wind up calling bank of america like 40 or 50 times a day until you finally got through. did they say oh, you're right. we made a mistake? >> no, they never gave me any answers of why it happened or anything. they never contacted -- >> michael. >> yes, steve, good morning. >> you and angela -- angela is now suing bank of america. what does she want? >> well, angela wants bank of america to make it right and we want bank of america to take responsibility for what they've done. they issued apologies to the news media but they've never apologized to her and they've never taken any steps to take responsibility. in fact, they're blaming others and i'm sure they'll blame angela. >> that's crazy. now, angela, i understand that ever since you went back to the house, you know, you're a little panicked when you go in your house because this happened to you once before, right? >> yes. i will not go in by myself. i have not slept there since. >> oh, well, bank of america has released this statement to the media. this is what they say. we have since taken steps to repair physical damage and we made multiple attempts to reach out to miss ianelli and her attorney to discuss the financial concerns. we consider any hardship that resulted. ok, angela, they caused some damage. forget about the emotional but, you know, it cost you money out of pocket to fix stuff. how much have they paid you so faro fix what they screwed up? >> they haven't paid me anything. >> and -- >> they cleaned my carpet and took the antifreeze out of my drain. >> that's nice. but michael, it would seem she needs more than that. >> i agree, steve, and until bank of america realizing that if they continue this bad conduct, it's going to cost them in the pocketbook, they're not going to stop doing this. >> yeah. and her case is a case where it could happen to practically anybody. since it was a mistake. all right, angela ianelli and michael rosenzwig, we thank you for joining us today from the beautiful city of pittsburgh. >> thank you. >> nearly 80% of americans have lost faith in washington. according to a new poll. so can the government get the trust of the people back? we're going to report, you're going to decide. and a victory for the good guys. why certain airlines are not going to charge you for that extra carry-on bag. that's straight ahead. and happy birthday to kate hudson, goldie hawn's daughter is 31 today. happy birthday, kate. luke: moving my mind and my hands at world record speed. i'm luke myers. if you want to be incredible, eat incredible. announcer: eggs. incredible energy for body and mind. (guitar music) >> welcome back, everyone. 29 minutes before the top of the hour. >> uh-huh. steve is back from vacation. >> it's great to be back. >> you know what? after not reading the teleprompter for about 10 days, it's a little tricky. >> we kept it up during dinner to keep conversations flowing. that's why you never get out of practice. >> ad lib toss, do you have ketchup over there? >> we don't use the teleprompter especially when we talk to these types of things when we're chatting. we'll chat about this topic which is the westboro baptist church. you know who they are. they're a group of about 80 folks who go to these military funerals and protest for some unknown reason because they don't agree with homosexuality so then they protest at military funerals. case we've been talking about recently is the snyder case. matthew snyder killed in the war. his father albert snyder taking us all the way to the supreme court. but the latest revelation is that did you know that the american taxpayer is paying for this kind of hate speech because this particular organization for some unknown reason does not have to pay taxes. >> well, it's because it's a church and churches are exempt from paying taxes. and even though these people are clearly crazy, they have the first amendment on their side and they have, thanks to the u.s. government, protected status. they do not have to pay taxes so are you in -- are you and me and all of us as taxpayers indirectly financing this hate speech because they don't have to pay taxes and so they can go on their merry, hateful way. >> by the way, as you know, the supreme court will hear the case. that's why albert snyder was asked why he continues to fight for his son's name and against this group. >> it's because of the other families that i've talked to that have gone through this same thing. i've had families tell me that, you know, they get the initial shock from -- from someone coming to the door and telling them that. and within an hour, the first thing they're thinking of is oh, my god, are these people going to come to thinhis funeral? and nobody should have to go through that during that time of their life. >> absolutely not. they call them the westboro baptist church. they are not really a baptist church. they got that name in their name. baptist church should be tax exempt. but these folks, what do you think? e-mail us right now friends at foxnews.com. should they be tax exempt or pay taxes? >> peter johnson will be out in a little while and talking in detail what makes church and how this tax exempt status might be too widespread? maybe the criteria not great enough. meanwhile, at 26 minutes before the top of the hour, dare i say, almost 25, now your headlines. conflicting messages from the taliban of whether they're ready to make peace or not. you have two messages, one from taliban leader who only has one eye, he told the london times, he does not want to rule afghanistan and prepared to talk peace talks to the west. there are reports that taliban leaders are geeraring up for a major fight in kandahar as they have other fighters flooding into the region. one is saying they're planning attacks and planting bombs as we speak. >> americans who don't trust the government is at a five decade high. the poll finds that 78% of americans don't trust the government, either all or most of the time. only 22% say they do. on top of that, nearly half say government negatively affects their daily lives. the poll suggests president obama and democrats have their work cut out for them if they hope to hold on to congress in the upcoming elections. >> you know what? i want to meet those 22%. what are they thinking? meanwhile, former president bill clinton says somebody who hasn't been a judge should be considered for the upcoming supreme court vacancy but he does not think that he, bill clinton is the right man for the job. the 63-year-old clinton who has recently battled heart problems told abc he's too old to be considered. and he says his wife, secretary of state hillary clinton isn't interested in the job either. >> at one point in her life, she might have been interested in it but she's like me, you know, we're kind of doers. we like being out there doing things and rowing our own boat. >> president obama is currently reviewing up to 10 nominees to replace justice john paul stevens. didn't clinton get his law license revoked? >> that might have been an issue. robber gets more than he bargained for in one holdup and gone wrong for the robber in connecticut. watch this, a robber enters a liquor store in the town of waterbury and demands some money much the owner wasn't going to be intimidated. he grabs a baseball bat from behind the counter and starts swinging like a new york yankee. the neighbor comes inside to help him out. the thief got away with some of the cash and i imagine he needs a lot of 7-eleven's ice. >> talk about being on the prowl. a cat successfully making an eight month, 1300 mile journey from his home in albuquerque, new mexico, all the way to chicago, illinois. charles vanished when his owner was away in new orleans on a volunteer mission. she was shocked when she received a call from the chicago animal care and control telling her hey, come on over, pick up your cat. the cat is in good condition and is being given a free flight home by american airlines to reunite with its owner. >> adorable. >> what a great story. >> i guess that's the reason you should have a chip, right? maybe it did have a chip. >> i don't know, i've never put a chip in any of our cats. it's not like a g.p. s. thing, you have to touch the chip. >> yeah, they've got a little geiger counter and they go over and they go that's the address. >> right now, i have a problem. i never filled out my form for my chip. so my dog has a chip bought i never registered him. >> wait a minute, didn't the vet do it? did you inject itself? >> > >> they gave me the paperwork and i never did it. >> bring it in tomorrow. i'll do it. >> i'll clean your closets, too. >> thank you very much. let's take a look at what's going on. if you have an umbrella in your closet, you need it in portions of florida and along the gulf coast up through the lower mississippi valley. nice and dry here in the northeast. a little bit of rain actually in portions of new england. on this patriots day. and a little bit of rain in southern california. on this monday. meanwhile, the current temperatures, as you step out the door, if you're in chicago, brrr. it's 37. 47 in new york. got 41 in raleigh. 60's along the gulf coast. you've got some 50's in interior sections of texas and 40's in the northern plains. later on today, though, it's going to be gorgeous out in denver, 74. 72 in kansas city. chicagoland should crank it up to 60. 64 in new york city. 70's in the mid atlantic. down through the great state of florida, back through the great state of texas. and that's your fox travelcast, mr. kilmeade. >> love every state it seems. >> just hawaii and alaska. you can get that at foxnews.com/weather. >> not saying that you don't like them. >> let's talk basketball. steve was pro for a while. nba playoffs get under way in full swing. it happened this past weekend. the lakers who wear that purple color looking to repeat but have scoring champion kevin duran who is only 11 years old for the thunder. he is the scoring champion and looking for his first series victory and first overall victory. durant everything but himself. there's the air ball, that isn't good. he was a miserable 7-24 in the afternoon. lakers get 53 from kobe and gasol combined. andrew bynum healthy enough to play. lakers take game one. here's the rest of the playoff scoreboard. blazers take game one and dallas outlast the spurs. meanwhile, celtics forward kevin garnett seems ornery. he gets slapped with a one game suspension for landing this elbow. the incident happened late in the fourth quarter in boston's game one victory in the best of seven series. now, garnett's actions which they call those actions classless. they host the heat in game two tonight and believe me, they are not the same team without garnet. brian davis might be the most honest golfer in the world. davis calling a two stroke penalty on himself on the first playoff hole at the verizon heritage to give jim furyk the victory. said he committed the violation of the rule when you pull the club back, you can't hit anything. he evidently hit a couple of weeds or something. he said look at it. it turns out he did do it. turn himself in. suffered the penalty and lose the tournament which goes to show you kids, don't be honest. win the tournament. again, don't turn yourself in. >> you know what? he should get a commercial because of that. >> i'm kidding. that is phenomenal! that is so honest. >> can you imagine a football player going no, one foot was out of bounds. it was no catch. i'm sorry, it wasn't -- >> my bad! >> ok. >> by the way, somebody tells us that they're ahead of that cat story. more ahead than we are. that cat did have a chip. >> good to know. >> he was chip worthy. let's take a look at what's coming up on brian and the judge a little later so you can tell your friends. don't laugh. they will be on set talking about different things. only on "brian & the judge." now back to us. >> meanwhile, electrifying news if you travel a lot. spirit airlines had determined that if you're going to use that overhead luggage compartment for carry-on, if you're not a member of one of their special clubs, it could cost you $45 to put something in the overhead. >> how did that go over? >> not so well. particularly with chuck schumer who flies a lot and he got over the weekend, i think it was friday afternoon. he talked to five different airlines and we got the five airlines up on the big screen over there. five other airlines said, yeah, good luck to spirit but we're not going to charge for carry-on luggage. they are american, delta, jet blue, u.s. air and united. >> before we all go willie nilly over this, does that mean they're going to add some sort of a price to the ticket, then? i mean, just because they say they're not going to charge for the carry-on, does that mean that we're going to face the charge somewhere else. gas prices will be going up. airlines are using gazillions and this volcanic ash doesn't help the situation. >> ov$200 million a day. >> a lot of people asking questions about the finance fees. >> i want to find out what ben has to say. he works at spirit. he was on with neil cavuto. here he is. >> there's an airline out there who is saying bags fly free, right? i challenge you to go to that airline's ticket counter and give it to their bag and say send it to chicago for me. it doesn't fly free. it flies with you as a paying customer. you pay for the bags whether you check the bags or not. at spirit, we give you the chance to get a lower ticket if you don't bring the bag. isn't that a good option? >> interesting thing is i think on fares, airlines have to pay a fee to the government. 7.5% so if they charge the fee to the passenger for the carry-on bag, they collect all of that money they don't have to give any to the government. it could be a financial decision. that guy will be on our show coming up. we'll ask him that question. >> only if you put the thing in the overhead. if you put it under your seat, you can fly free with it. >> ok. that's ok. you can tape anything that would be in the bag to your body. >> you can't do that anymore. especially if it's a liquid. >> i'd like to see you taping all the things to your body. >> tape the laptop to my chest. let me tell you what's coming up next -- steve predicted it before he left. he didn't write it down. we have to take his word for it. steve said a volcano would shelf all air travel. i didn't believe him. it turns out it did happen. it's erupting creating major headaches for travelers. there's a ray of hope. we'll tell you about the airports that are going to give it a shot and if they should, that coming their way. >> yep. and a mayor wants to put up a sign in his town keeping track of how much has been spent on the wars in iraq and afghanistan. we're going to tell you why some veterans are outraged at the mayor's plan. >> now, it's time for your quote of the day. 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>> i'd cross my fingers. >> some of the cloud is invisible. you can't even see it. once it hits you, you sand blast your windshield. pilots are going blind. first, they see nothing and all of a sudden, their windshields are frosted and they can't see anything at all. right now, some test flights have gone successfully through that area now. >> people nervous flying anyway. they say that it's high pressure right now over europe. therefore, it's moving very slow. how long can this last? >> we're looking for basically windows of opportunity because the thing is still erupting. the eruption has not abated at all. it's still spewing enormous amounts of silicates so we're looking for windows where we can shoot airplanes through without any big problem. but the jet stream may ease up on us, basically. >> how do you pronounce this volcano's name? >> well, that's one thing i can't do. pronounce it. >> there it is. look at that. i meaning look at that. that's way too many consonants combined with vowels. you're a tremendous host as well and your books are very successful. thank you very much for coming through, doctor. make it all make sense. meanwhile, defense secretary gates lashing out at a leaked memo saying the u.s. isn't ready for a nuclear iran? we'll talk with a former white house press secretary dana perino about damage control of the leaks. mainstream media caught in the act trying to discredit the tea party movement. watch. >> there aren't a lot of african-american men at these events. >> right. >> have you ever felt uncomfortable? >> no. no. these are my people. americans. >> that's retired air force -- that's a retired air force veteran and he'll join us live after the break. >> all right. now it's time for the answer of the trivia question of the day. who said it? the question of the day. i promise you and me and camilla are going to try not to get so lucky this year. two is enough. we're flush for a while. people naturally thought camilla, it must be prince charles. no, the answer is matthew mccoughney. the winner is from yardly, p.a. and there he is. gretchen? >> thanks. is the mainstream media trying to undermine the tea party movement? at a tax day rally in washington, nbc reporter kelly o'donnell asked an african-american tea partyier this question. >> there aren't a lot of african-american men at these events. >> right. >> have you ever felt uncomfortable? >> no. no. these are my people. americans. >> that man is a retired air force veteran and he joins us now this morning. good morning to you. >> hello, gretchen. >> when a brilliant answer. how do you come up with that answer off the top of your head? you knew -- you said that you knew that you were going to be targeted by this reporter. why? >> well, i mean, i had a four-hour trip up to the -- to the plaza and just kind of donned on me when i was coming down the street, you know, i know what the media has been saying about tea party participants, you know, overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly male and angry. so i said, if i see a mainstream media news outlet, they'll probably talk with me. >> so you came up with the perfect answer. you said hey, i'm just here because i'm like all these other folks. i'm an american. why did you go to the tea party rally? >> you know, i -- not that i'm upset. it's just that i care about the country. and i know, you know, that the direction most tea partiers are moving in and they care about liberty and they care about government intrusion so i just wanted to go and be a part of it. >> that reporter kelly o'donnell has defended her question in a statement. she said this -- when you have a group that's been accused of racism by political opponents and argues it's been treated unfairly, my question was direct and appropriate. is the tea party at all about race in your mind? >> in my opinion and from my observation, the tea party is not about race. in fact, you know, from personal experience, the tea party is less angry than talked about in the mainstream media. i got the feeling that most folks were just about promotion of liberty and, you know, in the country. >> well, it's a very interesting situation that happened to you, daryl. we're so glad you would be our guest today and hopefully we didn't make you feel uncomfortable. thanks for being our guest and thanks for your service to this country. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> coming up on the show, the space shuttle discovery scheduled to come back to earth today. but weather may be holding up the arrival. an update straight ahead. and toyota paying a fine of more than $16 million for all those pedal problems. it's the largest on record but is it enough? more "fox & friends" just two minutes away for your monday morning. thanks for being here. there are engines... and then there's the twin-turbocharging, 365-horsepower-generating, ecoboost engine in the taurus sho from ford. that has the thirst of a v6 with the thrust of a v8. the most innovative full- size sedan in america: the taurus sho, from ford. drive one. you stood in the basement gathering dust while i, sneezing, itching eyes kept you from our favorite stream. the one that runs through a field where pollen floats through the air. but now, with the strength of 24-hour zyrtec® to relieve my worst allergy symptoms, indoors and outdoors... let's go before the fish stop biting. they won't wait for us. but that's okay. zyrtec® is the fastest 24-hour allergy medicine. today, we battle wits with the trout. with zyrtec® i can love the air®. ♪ since you opened your design firm... ... your presentation didn't. so here's your moment of truth. which 3g network do you trust to email the file, get it printed, and have it waiting upstairs ? when you want your 3g network to work, you want verizon. visit verizon to see how our smartphones can help put your business on the map, and buy one blackberry curve for $29.99 and get one free. >> good monday morning, everybody. april 19, 2010. thanks for sharing part of your day with us. treasury secretary tim geithner saying the administration and the tea party are both anti-deficit? >> now, you don't hear people say anymore that deficits don't matter and you don't hear people say we can pass enormous government expansion without paying for it. >> really? we'll talk with former white house press secretary dana perino about that moments away. >> and goldman-sachs accused of fraud by the fcc but nosec but timing a coincidence or a planned ploy? that story coming your way. >> the mayor wants to put a debted clock in his hometown showing how much money the united states of america has spent on the wars in afghanistan and iraq. today, you'll hear why an angry veteran says he is appalled by that mayor's decision. meanwhile, our slogan this hour comes from ray down in georgia. here i sit in the airport lounge, looking for something to watch and then i ask the friendly bartender to switch the channel to fox. bottoms up, ray! >> it's time for "fox & friends"! >> you know, i know a lot of people, i wonder how airports are doing in terms of what they're watching. a lot of people are stranded in airports. they want to be back to business and they can't do either. >> can you imagine like what your options are? either taking a ship across the ocean or how the heck you get home. >> because of one volcano and ice that is on the bottom of that volcano, the magma shoots through the ice causing all planes to stay on the ground. >> there's a picture of the volcano. by the way, it's hard to believe it but it was 15 years ago today that tim mcveigh bombed the murrah federal building in oklahoma city killing 168 people including 19 children. when that bomb exploded at the murrah federal building. memorial services are being held today to remember those who died. chris guiterrez joins us live from oklahoma city. good morning to you. >> good morning to you guys. april 19, 1995 is the day that changed the city, our state and the country forever. as you mentioned, steve, 168 people were killed that wednesday morning. their ages range from just 3 months to 73 years old. 19, as you mentioned, of those killed were just children under the age of 5. they were playing on the second floor of the alfred p. murrah federal building in a daycare center. now, each year, family and friends of those who were killed as well as survivors and complete strangers come here to the national memorial to reflect and remember what happened. listen now to two survivors. >> i remember waking up thinking i had been in a car accident. i felt this just rushing sensation like i was falling and i was. i was actually falling three floors. you felt and heard -- i thought it was sand but it was just, you know, bits of the building coming down. i could hear people screaming and this woman was screaming help me, jesus. help me, jesus, and then i realized it was me screaming. >> i couldn't see anything. i couldn't move. i couldn't hardly breathe. i felt god's presence and i felt peace and i knew i was going to be ok. i truly did not know i was going to live. but i was ok with -- i was ok with dying. >> later this morning, department of homeland security secretary janet napolitano will be the keynote speaker at the rememberance service here at the national memorial and at 9:02 the crowd gathered here will observe 168 seconds of silence. back to you guys in new york. >> all right. chris guiterez in oklahoma city, thank you very much. 15 years. >> hard to believe that and here are some other headlines for your monday. a review panel has ordered a recount now of ballots cast in baghdad during the march election. an official says the move could change the final results of the original vote. shiite prime minister maliki had called for a recount after he came in second. i wonder why. this as the top military commander says the planned withdrawal of troops from iraq in august on track now. this is despite a recent increase in attacks. they say al-qaida's strength in the country is steadily degrading. there are currently 95,000 troops in iraq. other financial firms are under investigation now that goldman-sachs has been charged with fraud. they want to see if another bank, u.b. s., merrill lynch and others committed any similar violations. they are look at if anyone in the bank failed to disclose certain transactions to investors. they failed to disclose one of their mortgage backed securities was put together with the help of a man betting on it to fail. fox news alert for you right now. overcast skies, delaying the return of the space shuttle discovery this morning. the shuttle will now try to land instead of during our show, guys. it's now going to land at 10:23 a.m. eastern time in florida. there had been showers in the area but there's a chance they could move off shore in time for this second attempt at the landing. when the landing happens, fox will bring it to you live. and those are your headlines. >> all right. let's go down to florida right now. and our weather correspondent dana perino. how is the weather down there? >> it rained yesterday a lot. it's better than in d.c. where i heard it was 40 degrees. >> fall was back in d.c. i know you follow on the news what's happening with the message out of the white house is. yesterday, treasury secretary timothy geithner saying positive things about the tea party. saying we have something in common. i'm against the deficit. this administration is against running up the deficit and the tea party is against running up big deficits. >> let me do the positive side of this, ok? we've been through eight years where people said, many people have said, deficits don't matter. we can -- we can pass huge tax cuts. pass huge new programs without paying for them. that debate has changed fundamentally. you don't hear people saymore that deficits don't matter. you don't hear people saying we can pass enormous expansion of government without paying for it. >> is this a setup, dana? i mean, did he -- did he just go off on a lamb and say, hey, you know what? i'm going to say this. i'm going to say something positive or was this something that was talked about before he went on that show? >> oh, probably prepared for it and i think they've realized that their rhetoric that has been so demeaning towards people who affiliate with the tea party movement is backfiring on them and especially if you look at their own democrats have said the same. what's interesting to me is that this would be really great if it actually was backed up by the facts and by their own policies. last year alone, they increased discretionary spending by 24%. and the increase in the deficit in one year under president obama and secretary geithner is larger than the last four years of the bush administration combined. so i think he's right in one sense, that finally stopped degrading people who affiliate with the tea party movement but if his policies matched up with his rhetoric, it would probably be stronger sell point. >> he was nice to the tea party people. but once again, he was blaming bush, you know, where he says -- eight years, eight years, eight years. >> wasn't he -- >> are you tired of it? i think people are really tired of it. plus i also -- again, they have a year under their belt. 24% increase and the -- in one year, larger deficit than the last four years of the bush administration combined. >> it's too complicated, though, to say, you know, a year and a half ago, we had gone through eight years. so there's so much fine print. >> well, and remember, the tea party movement really gets going after the obama administration decided to take over the car companies, g.m. and chrysler as well as pass through the stimulus package which was not designed in the best way according to some in order to create jobs. >> there you go. >> let's talk about this leaked memo by the defense secretary robert gates that happened over the weekend. how do you -- how do you read this? because basically, what this memo said was hey, team, obama administration, we have to get on board to have plans for iran. we have to have plans including military options. do you think that somebody in the pentagon leaked it? or who? >> it's possible. it's hard to say where leaks like this happen when i was working for president bush, oftentimes, when we had leaks, he would try to point at different sources. it could have been the pentagon. it could be other places because obviously there's an interagency effort under way. i don't think for a second that the administration doesn't think about iran. i think that there are some legitimate criticisms to come their way in terms of the sense of urgency but i also think that when you're dealing with this situation, you have a very intricate diplomatic dance you're doing with your allies and so what you can do and say publicly isn't necessarily good enough for some of your critics back home but it might be the right thing you need to do in order to get the result that you want. >> yeah, here's secretary gates. he tried to walk this back a little bit today. he says "the new york times" sources who revealed my january memo mischaracterized its purpose and content. memo is not intended as a wake-up call or received as such by the president's national security team. rather, it presented a number of questions and proposals and tended to contribute to an orderly and timely decision-making process. it seems as though -- go ahead. >> i was going to say this reminds me of something that had to do with iran in a memo that was leaked back during our administration, december of 2007. when the intelligent community put forward an iranian document that said they were not seeking a nuclear weapon. now we know that's probably not true. the diplomatic damage that caused for us and how far it set us back in trying to get strong u.n. security council resolutions was really stark to if secretary gates was prodding them, it's probably not a bad thing. i don't think for a second they don't think about it quite a bit. >> sure. all right, dana, we just had a live report from chris guiterez down in oklahoma city. today marks 15 years since tim mcveigh pulled that truck up and blew up the building down there. we have three different soundbites, bill clinton talking about the tea party protesters and comparing them to what happened down in oklahoma city and then we've got rush and bill clinton trying to walk it back as well. listen to this. >> the 15th anniversary of oklahoma city, i'm not trying to draw total parallel. i'm just saying we should be aware of this. this is a vast echo chamber, this internet, and there's lots of folks listening and as i said, some are serious. some are da learous, some are connected, some are unhinged. >> bill clinton with the soundbite you just heard gave the kooks out there an excuse to be violent. he just offered them an opportunity to be violent. >> only point i tried to make is that when i went back and started preparing for the 15th anniversary of oklahoma city, i realized that there were a lot of parallels between the early 1990's and now, both in the feeling of economic dislocation, and the level of uncertainty people felt, the rise of kind of identity politics. the rise of the militia movements and right-wing talk radio. >> blame that talk radio. dana, what do you think? >> well, first of all, i think that this day should be one of rememberance and not one of scoring cheap political points by either side. i also think that whenever you start off a statement by saying, look, i'm not saying. i'm just saying. it really means that you said what you -- you meant what you were going to say. and that is to try to say that the tea party movement is aligned with domestic terrorists. and obviously, he didn't get the memo from secretary geithner who decided to actually align with the tea party. >> or from nancy pelosi who about a month ago in an interview said they were her constituents, too. they got to get on the same page here. to me, it signals that they don't know what the heck to do with the tea party movement. >> i think that they are -- i think that's true. but i also think that if you go -- if you look at byron york's piece in "the washington examiner" from earlier this weekend when he talked about what happened after the oklahoma city bombing and what the white house at the time tried to do to use it for political leverage and this comes from a memo that was written by their own pollster. i -- it reminds you that they really haven't gotten past that and it was probably the wrong thing to say. i don't necessarily think that president clinton means for something to come across that way. i don't think he actually thinks that although we all should be concerned about any type of violence but i think that we've seen it can come from anywhere and if they're going to call -- link tea partiers to domestic terrorism, i'd like to know what the democrats are going to call the attack by major hasan at fort hood. >> very good point. >> also, i don't think that president clinton takes his marching orders from the obama administration. i just don't. i don't think he's thought of that choir. so -- >> you could tell he was still steamed at talk radio. >> yes. >> that's in there. >> all right. talk radio still gets under his skin. that's for sure. >> i think he listens to rush every day. >> it's a great show! >> but the way he's engaged with what rush says, i think he's a daily listener. >> could be. he probably listens to brian. >> "brian & the judge" that's more important. >> that can be your first question. mr. president, are you a ditto head? >> that would be very interesting should we ever sit down. >> so great to see you. thank you for joining us all the way from florida. >> see you next week. >> a mayor wants everyone to know how much the u.s. is spending on wars in iraq and afghanistan. he's putting up a sign showing the cost of war. why one vet is outraged by the move. >> why is this man getting his body waxed by strangers? >> why not? >> why he says it's worth it for a good cause. ouch! that hurts to look at coming up straight ahead. ouch! 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[ female announcer ] ask your rheumatologist about simponi™. just one dose, once a month. >> all right. matthew ryan, mayor of binghamton, new york, wants taxpayers to know how much money is going to the military spending over in iraq and afghanistan so he is hanging a sign outside of city hall. but not all residents are pleased by this including chris marion, an afghanistan war veteran and legislative assistant. why would this bother you? >> there's a few reasons. one, i feel it trivializes the sacrifices that soldiers have been asked to make over the past 10 years. second, i don't feel that city hall is the place to make a political statement like this. and third, i feel that while the mayor is focusing on this issue, there are other issues that are facing the city right now that are being ignored. >> now we understand that the sign is delayed again. it's going to be put up on wednesday. it's $6,000. he's already spent the money. have you gone face to face with him and told him what an insult this is. have you spoken to other veterans? >> i have spoken to council member who is proposing the resolution to accept this gift and place it down at city hall and i've spoken to his -- the mayor's staff but not the mayor exactly -- or specifically. and i've spoken to many of my friends and colleagues in the military and across the board, they're not cool with this. >> i think the american people are behind the war effort. you have a democrat now in the white house. what is wrong with seeing how much it's costing? >> i don't have a problem with the point that they're making. i have a problem with the avenue they've taken to make that point. i don't believe that city hall is the place to make that statement and city hall should not be used as a billboard to make a political statement like this. >> so here you are serving in afghanistan. you come back and trying to get back and serve again as a legislative assistant. what messages do you take away from that? >> i feel that this sign really does trivialize the sacrifices we've -- the soldiers and service members have been asked to make. i feel that they have a valid point, that a lot of money is being spent on military programs. but i don't think that focusing on the cost and its monetary ra value is the right message to be sending right now. >> do you have another plan to stop this from going up other than getting the word out? >> i've asked people to call their council members. i'm hoping that the council president will be able to persuade enough members to vote this down and if that doesn't work, there may be other legal action that can be taken to hopefully stop this from going up. >> if you're against this, write foxnews.com right now and we'll print all those e-mails and send it up to you. against or for it, do that. we'll see if we can help you with some support there, chris marion. thank you for your service and good luck with your action. >> thank you. >> coming up, several airlines have pledged they won't charge you extra for your carry-on bags. one is holding out. it's going to cost you big time. why spirit airlines c.e.o. says charging $45 is actually a good thing. that story is next. >> welcome back. senator chuck schumer of new york has proposed legislation against new fees for carry-on luggage after spirit airlines announced last week that they would start charging for just that. carry-ons. >> now, five airlines have agreed not to charge for carry-on bags. you can see the list there. american airlines, delta, jet blue, u.s. airways and united. ben beldenza is a c.e.o. of spirit airlines and we want to ask him this morning, good morning to you, ben, do you think you made the wrong move and your business will suffer as a result? >> well, good morning. i think the decision about whether this is the right move is going to be made by our customers, not by me or senator schumer or anyone else. and right now, our sales are doing extremely well and customers are responding very well to this. so at this point, i'd say we still think we made the right move because again, while we added a fee, we lowered our fares significantly at the same time. >> i was looking on your web site and you've got some cash-off coupons and stuff like that so people can use when they book on the internet. ben, what's your message to chuck schumer who called all those other c.e.o.'s of those other airlines and said, you're not going to be like spirit airlines, are you? what's your message to the senior senator from new york state? >> well, we look forward to working very collaboratively with the senator and his staff. and i think what we're going to look for is to find all the common ground that we have because there's a lot of that. in fact, i think the senator is very interested in getting lower fares to consumers and making lines move shorter. having fewer flight delays. and i think the very pragmatic solution that we've implemented of the idea is those with bags board the airplane first is something that we can probably agree with. i'm not going to say that the senator agrees with everything we're doing but there's enough common ground, we can have a good discussion with the senator on this issue. >> let's face it, though, a ton of americans agree with senator schumer. they feel they're being nickelled and dimed to death when they get on the airplane right now. does it boil down to your finances for you? because it's my understanding that you're charged a 7.5% tax that you have to pay to the government on air fare. so instead, if you take that $45 off of the fare and add it to the consumer to check their bags, then you don't have to pay that 7.5% for the government so you make more money, right? >> well, that's only partially right. first of all, again, the $45 fee has been greatly misrepresented. most people will pay $30 and many people will pay $20. no one has to pay $45 and the point is we never made this decision as a tax issue. if the government decides to tax that fee, it's not going to change our decision that consumers should have the ability to be able to decide what they want in their ticket and pay less if they don't want it. now, i lived in texas early in my career and i had a car with no air conditioning. i can tell nu the summer in texas, you could argue that air conditioning in the car is pretty darn essential. but no one is saying that if you sell a car in texas, you must put air conditioning in the car. you can still save a couple hundred bucks and not get it. and that's what this is all about is consumers can decide whether they think our tradeoff of a very low entry fare and a fee for carry-on the bag is a good tradeoff and right now, customers are responding really positively to this. >> ok, so ben, just for people who have not been on your web site and checked out your prices, let's say you do have to pay for a carry-on of the 20 or 30 or 45 bucks, where does your starting base fare compare to other carriers who go up and down the eastern seaboard? >> well, in general, it's actually much lower. we've done hundreds of price comparisons for the fall travel and when you join spirit's fare club which gets you the lowest fares and you get that low fare plus you pay for your checked bags and your carry-on bag, in most cases, the total price you'll pay is anywhere from 30% to 50% less than everybody else. >> wow! >> people look at a $30 fee and say that's terrible. when you add a $30 fee to an average fare under 100 bucks, this is what spirit sells, it's really not that bad. the outrage should be at airlines that charge $700 and $800 when you can't change your travel. that's really an outrage. >> that's true. >> i think it will be shocking to most people who haven't flown spirit that our average price point is under $100. i don't think they really get that most of the time. >> right. that's why we wanted to have you on the show to explain because on its face when people hear $45, they go nope. possibly not. ben, c.e.o. of spirit airlines, see how this works out. thanks so much for being our guest. >> thank you very much. >> all right. straight ahead on this monday, nasa delaying the arrival of the space shuttle discovery back to earth in florida. when will nasa try again? 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>> i think people have that kind of feeling about any incumbent right now and i think people in general are upset with the folks in washington who think some democrats, some republicans but i don't think anyone should feel comfortable as we approach it. >> if anyone is looking for change and they flipped, it would be exact inverse of the majority. >> right. because you figure, ok, washington not doing its job. it's the democrats, let's change that. that has a limited alternative, then. all right. it's 27 minutes now before the top of the hour and time for some headlines. the obama administration is insisting that u.s. support for israel will not waiver. in a statement, secretary of state hillary clinton says both she and president obama have a deep commitment to israel. the statement was released on the eve of the israeli memorial day. ties between the united states and israel have been rocky of late. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu did not attend last week's nuclear summit in the united states. and the u.s. has been vocal in its opposition to israeli plans to build a settlement in east jerusalem. >> the supreme court hears arguments today in the case that could impact every american who uses a company-owned computer, blackberry or phone. at issue, whether employers have the right to spy on employee e-mails and text messages. the case centers around a california cop who sued after his boss looked at sexually explicit text messages sent on his department owned pager. the cop and three others sued for violation of privacy. a lower court found in his favor but the decision was reversed on appeal. next hour, we'll get more on what this case could mean for you from an internet expert. >> all right. it may be the future of treating patients with epilepsy and spinal cord injuries. they've developed a silk implant that sticks to the brain much like silk clothing sticks to your skin. if further tests are successful, it could help with spinal cord problems operate artificial arms and legs and could deliver pulses to control a seizure. read more in the journal's "nature" materials. >> that's really cool. >> meanwhile, check out what one australian man is doing in the name of charity. >> ok. >> owwww! >> this man was nominated by his girlfriend to get a full body wax. >> the reason i'm screaming is because i felt that. >> for the red cross in australia. man, and he's a hairy guy, too. steve carell did the same thing and he let people on the streets of sydney, australia, help the painful procedure. he would walk up to people and say hey, rip my hair off and they did. >> the reason you two guys are not going like this is because have you ever had anything waxed? >> no. >> that's why. see, for all the women out there that have had something waxed, we know what that feels like. >> it is painful to wax? >> see, i thought you waxed to avoid the pain. >> that guy was like the woolley mammoth and you got total strangers ripping off a great big patch. >> you don't think that would hurt, brian? >> that would hurt but waxing to me was a painful way of saying i want to be hairless. >> wax on, wax off. >> you go through some pain to be hairless. let's move on to the fox news alert. nasa has scrubbed today's first landing attempt of the space shuttle discovery because of bad weather in the area. they'll try again later this morning. joining us from cape canaveral is orlando salenas. are they going to try to do the 10 something landing or wait for another day? >> sure. no, they're hoping to get this done today. the next window for the shuttle discovery will be at 10:23 eastern. the 8:48 went away about 20, 25 minutes ago, something like that. nasa called it off. they said that they're sealing -- the cloud's ceiling had dropped a little bit. minimum, i understand, is about 8,000 feet. they were at about 10,000 and it began to drop off in the distance. my left, your right, at home, the clouds have started to roll in. this has been a 14-day mission for this discovery crew. they have already started to try to make their way back, as you were saying, gretchen. the next window will be at 10:23. they have been up there for 14 days. they have had a record number of women on this specific shuttle mission four and the plan is for these folks to come on back today. if they are not able to make that 10:23 pass, the last chance here, they will put this off completely until tomorrow. but speaking about weather, tomorrow, as i understand it, the weather forecast here in this part of the country or around cape canaveral there's a 30% chance of rain right now there's a 50/50 chance that this bird can come in today. that's what we're hearing from meteorologists here at nasa. they've had their training plane come by here and made at least five passes that i've counted. so the hope and prayer is they'll come in at 10:23 this morning. gretche gretchen. >> all right. we'll stay tuned and carry that live for everybody here on fox. >> sooner than you know it, we'll have to pay the russians to get into space. this is one of the last shuttle flights. >> will the russians charge us for carry-on bags? >> yes, i think a whole lot of bags. >> $45 million instead of $45. >> orly was talking about the weather. let's take a look at what's going on along the space coast. there have been some showers move through the area just to the east along the coast from orlando and not salinas. i'm talking about florida. there has been some rain and rain from the mid missouri and mississippi valley down through the gulf coast. there's some scattered stuff through portions of the plain states and a little bit in northeast. meanwhile, let's take a look at the current temperatures. 30's and 40's throughout the northeast and most of the country. 50's and 60's down south and today's daytime high, take a look. it will be 64 in new york. 71 in raleigh. 75 in tampa. beautiful day. meanwhile, it's going to be 60 today in chicago. and speaking of chicago -- >> did you know that there are some dangerous asian carps and that they are invading chicago's lake michigan? well, now, one chef there is taking on the fish one plate at a time. how? peter doocey joins us from the windy city to explain. what are you doing to those carps, peter? >> well, gretchen, these guys have decided to take the midwest's most hated fish and put it on a dish. now, the asian carp is an invasive species that a lot of people have been worried if they get into the great lakes, it will destroy the ecosystem but they have gotten into the kitchen here at the lakewood restaurant. i'm here with chef phillip frost and james hoyen so most people pooh-pooh the asian carp but here you have them on a platter. why is that? >> it was brought about as a load challenge for our fish barrier at supreme lobster. he decided to send the fish to 10 different restaurants. we got one and managed to do something pretty good with it and decided to start bringing attention to it and see where the pieces would fall. >> you've been giving it away for free. how has the response been from people that have tried this? >> absolutely overwhelmingly positive. it's a very mild flavored fish. very similar in texture to bass. it has a firmness that stands up pretty well to the -- to a bite. >> and what is it? what am i looking at here? >> we're looking at asian carp-ochio. too tempting of a fun name to put to it not to avoid. >> this right here? >> we're considering renaming this because shanghai bass is much more tempting to eat than asian carp. >> you want to call it the shanghai bass instead. >> thinking about it. just remember chilean sea bass was known as tooth fish. >> doesn't sound that good. >> no, but chilean sea bass sounds much better. >> can i try this? >> absolutely. >> something flavorful. good bite. >> very good. now, it's a lot different than the pop tarts that i'm used to. >> exactly. exactly. not the best thing -- i'd prefer it with a glass of white wine instead of a cup of coffee. >> a little early for that. >> yeah. >> is there any kind of a down side to this? >> from the fine dining standpoint, it's a lot of work to take the bones out of it but outside of that, i don't think so. not that i've found so far. >> all right. now, my final question -- these things are famous for like terrorizing boaters. jumping out of the water and hitting people who are water skiing or fishing. have you had any jump off the plate yet? >> not off the plate. i'm actually going fishing for it on wednesday and planning on wearing a football helmet, though. >> if you want more information, chef frost has a blog pickledtongue.com. i'll finish this. back to you guys. >> don't report with your mouth full. i was brought up to be -- i was told that carp is brown -- is a brown goldfish. >> really? >> and goldfish is not something you eat unless you're pledging a fraternity. so is that true, peter? that you just ate a goldfish that's brown? >> i don't think so. it tasted really good and i don't think that anybody is going to have an asian carp as a pet the way they would as a goldfi goldfish. i don't know if you've seen these things, brian, they're big and ugly. they look a lot better on the plate than swimming around in the illinois river. >> those things can get up to four feet long and 40 pounds. >> really? >> thanks, peter. when we used to catch those in the mississippi river growing up in minnesota, it was against the law to put them back in the water. you had to bury them or feed them to the racoons. >> wow! >> yep. >> do they have a natural predator? 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(announcer) oreo. milk's favorite cookie. >> the financial services giant goldman-sachs is under fire today accused of selling products they knew apparently were bad and making money by betting against them. all while the economy was crashing. but the charges from the federal government comes as the administration starts its push for a new financial reform bill. is that just a coincidence? we asked. >> with the high pitched voice, stu varney is here. all right, it's complicated. >> yes. >> first of all, goldman-sachs probably was doing something that was not right. >> i'm not gonna say that. >> but is the timing of this whole thing coincidental in your mind? >> the timing is absolutely perfect. wall street looks very bad. it looks like wall street really was responsible for the panic of 2008. just days before the politicians attempt to put a collar on wall street, reform it, root and branch, and really get it under control. the timing is absolutely perfect. it has shifted public opinion even more in favor of really solid reform of wall street and made wall street even more unpopular than it was a week ago. >> well, we know this -- we know, too, that the investigation started nine months ago and goldman-sachs had an opportunity to tell would-be investors, listen, the s.e.c. is probing about a would-be investigation. this could have come out immediately because the evidence was there. in the big picture, i'm wondering how many more examples are we going -- do you expect to see? are we going to see something with other banks and institutions to continue the momentum? >> yes, very likely you are. keep up the political pressure. this essentially is an e-mail prosecution. they've got these e-mails which say goldman-sachs was doing this. i mean, it wouldn't be too difficult to dig up other e-mails from other banks that were doing maybe something similar. >> sure. >> it comes out in dribs and drabs and adds to this enormous pressure on wall street to be reformed. >> right. and so the big question is what will -- what will capitol hill do and the president is going to go out and make the case, look, we have to rein these guys in. you were explaining during the break a little of what they have planned. it sounds very anti-government. rather, the government is going to be very anti-big business in this regard. >> yes, it will put the government in a position to control wall street in a way that it's never controlled it before. the government will be able to say, hey, you, investment bank, you are too big. we are going to break you up. the shareholders, you lose. management, out. we are going to -- break you up and we're going to sell you at a price that we think is right. impressive as it sounds. >> not a banker on wall street. this will be an easier sub on health care reform, if you're not a banker on wall street, is this good or bad for you? >> over the long term, the jury is out. and i would suspect that it's not great for you. the financial industry has been the growth industry in america outside technology, the growth industry for entire generation, that is going to be brought to an end. >> all right. stuart goes to work at 9:20 this morning on the fox business network. check him out. >> stuart, thank you very much. >> this is not work for stuart. this is your enjoyment. >> i do actually. i really do! >> honestly. >> meanwhile, coming up, something that's not enjoyable. >> westboro baptist church is known for holding those controversial protests at military funerals. did you know they don't pay taxes? peter johnson jr. explains how the group gets away with it next. nature knows just how much water vegetables need. so, to turn those vegetables into campbell's condensed soup, we don't boil it down, our chefs just add less water from the start. ♪ so many, many reasons ♪ it's so m'm! m'm! good! ♪ right now, walmart has rolled back prices on top lawn carerands like poulan pr brute by briggs & stratton, pennington, scotts and spectracide. along with thousands of others all over the store. it's rollback time! save money. live better. walmart. >> answer to the trivia question is maria sharapova. who knew it? diane cross from bedford, new hampshire. here is gretchen with something unrelated. >> tha you, brian. should your tax dollars fund hate speech in that's what some say is happening with the westboro baptist church. the group infaumous for protesting at the funeral of fallen troops. peter johnson jr. joins us for that. >> good morning, hi. >> we know about this story, the westboro baptist church if you can call them a church. they're not baptist. that's their name. they go out to the military funerals and protest for whatever known reason because they disagree with homosexuality. now, what you've uncovered is that they don't pay any taxes? >> that article in fox news has made it clear that they're a 501c3 which means they are a tax exempt organization because they call themselves a church and from what we understand, not part of any baptist convention. they're not part of any otherwise recognized baptist convention. and this so-called church is made up of about 60 or 70 followers. 50 or 60 of them are relatives or in-laws or close associates, some of them who are lawyers of the founder of the church. and these are the folks, as you mentioned, that go out to these military funerals and they did in this particular case and they put up signs that said, "thank god for dead soldiers." sempri fi and then a homophobic slur. thank god for dead marines. thank god for 9/11. the most repugnant, vial, oppressive, hateful speech, in my opinion, that you could muster in any case. >> this is going all the way to the supreme court. >> going all the way to the supreme court. but the issue today is should you and i and americans be funding their printing press that they have? should we be funding their video production facilities that they have? are their activities really exclusively charitable and religious which is the definition of a 501c3, a true church or is there some other agenda that's going on with regard to these folks? >> somebody wanted to pursue that and asked those exact questions. >> sure. >> what would be the avenue to do that? >> you know, according to some published reports, there have been efforts to examine their tax status and examine what they own and what they do and they've proven to be unsuccessful. they have sold themselves even to the aclu and other organizations like that as somehow a fire and brimstone organization, fire and brimstone church that is saying that the woes of the world, that dead soldiers are attributable to our support, to america's support for gay and lesbian rights. they've attacked catholics. they've attacked the pope. they've attacked jews. they've attacked catholics. they've attacked a lot of different groups according to published reports. but the real issue becomes should our tax dollars be funding that? and whatever the circuit court says, whatever the u.s. supreme court says about their first amendment rights, do they have, in fact, a right to be a tax exempt organization based upon the activities that we've seen? and that's a matter of continued discussion. >> and it will be discussed, i'm sure, amongst our viewers today. peter johnson, great to see you. thanks. treasury secretary tim geithner says he's confident financial reform will clear the senate. could a republicans filibuster derail it? live report moments away. ...martial artist... and a stuntwoman. if you want to be incredible, eat incredible. announcer: eggs. incredible energy for body and mind. 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doesn't look confident. why is that? he's not confident? plus, just because your employer gave you a black berry or cell phone, i'm not saying that happens here, does that mean they have the right to look at all of your private messages and e-mails? the supreme court is taking that very issue up and that story is coming up on our show. our slogan comes from ohio. hooray for monday morning, i can quit bringing a grouch because brian, steve and gretchen are back on the curvy couch. >> i like my beer cold, my tv loud and my boston reds. >> good to be back. i saw peter johnson, junior, i'd like to thank him and eric for sitting in and filling in so i could take a vacation. >> brian: if they had not agreed, there would be no family vacation. the family would have to put it on hold. probably right? >> steve: hats off to both of you. >> gretchen: very nice to have you back. let's talk about this, the obama administration gearing up for another tough fight with republicans. this time over financial reform. joining us from the white house is wendell goler. good morning to you, wendell. so the big question is whether or not some republicans are going to actually vote for this with the democrats. >> the president says republicans are spreading misinformation about financial regulatory reform, like the claims about death panels in the health insurance reform debate and just as he did in the health insurance reform debate, the president's planning to make appearances across the country to take his case directly to the american people. now, the white house thinks there may be a better chance for reaching a bipartisan compromise this time. it's made a couple of moves, including kicking out a $50 billion fund intended to help dismantle failing corporations that republicans said amount to do a bailout fund. but john mccain says there is still no plan to deal with the huge government supported enterprises, fannie mae and freddie mac. >> leaving fannie mae and freddie mac out of it, they were two of the major catalysts in this whole meltdown, this indiscriminate lending of money to buy homes for people who could never pay it back, the pressures of the reinvestment act to lend these loans to people that were never going to be able to make their mortgage payments. >> the white house believes the republicans traditional close ties with big banks and big business and the bush administration's role in the bailout put them on the wrong side of this debate and tim geithner says the president is determined that wall street won't take down the economy again. >> you got 8 1/2 million americans lose their jobs and their house, tens of thousands of businesses fail, worse financial crisis in generations, that is a powerful case for reform and again, that's why i'm so confident we'll see americans come together. >> democrats think the fraud charges against goldman sachs will help them make the case for financial regulatory reform. senate republican liter mitch mcconnell say whatever emerges from congress must not empower government to run banks and insurance companies and car companies again. guys. >> steve: all right. wendell goler, on the north lawn of the white house, thank you. the big question is, will any republicans vote for it because yesterday we had scott brown on television and he said i'm going to be the 41st vote against it. >> brian: i was surprised by that because he did not show up at the pea party in boston. he actually had some very nice things to say about the president personally and backed out of those who say the president is a socialist and things like that. the he's a nice guy, but when it came to the financial reform, he's not on board and mitch mcconnell says all 41 republicans are not on board with this reform. it doesn't mean they're not for financial reform. >> gretchen: the republicans have to be wary about how they approach this because the american people, i think, this will be a much easier sell than health care reform because the average american person, it will be easy for them to look at wall street and say, oh, yeah, they're the bad guys. and that is a little more difficult to give in to the investigation of exactly what caused the whole financial meltdown. was it just wall street or did it happen a long time ago with some of those mortgage programs? >> steve: we heard the news on friday of goldman sachs. were there other companies involved? the sec going to bring charges against them or was it to help the president make his case this week? it's interesting, yesterday tim geithner also, when it came to tea party talk, was positive about the tea party and said that they're a lot like the obama administration because they have a common goal. cutting the deficit. huh? take a look. >> let me do the positive side of this. we've just been through eight years where people said, many people said, deficits don't matter. we can pass huge tax cuts, pass huge new programs without paying for them. that debate has changed fundamentally. you don't hear people say anymore deficits don't in matter or saying that we can pass enormous government expenditure without paying for it. >> steve: when he's talking about we just we want through eight years, there he is blaming bush again. we had the bush administration spokesperson on the program one hour ago. here is her comment on his comment. >> this would be really great if it actually was backed up by the facts and their own policies. last year alone, they increased discretionary spending by 24% and the increase in deficit in one year under president obama and secretary geithner is larger than the last four years of the bush administration combined. so i think he's right in one sense, to finally stop degrading people who affiliate with the tea party movement. but if his policies matched up with his rhetoric, it would probably be a stronger sell point. >> brian: governor rendell said the tea party didn't get great attendance, i think it's way overblown. i think the media is making a bigger deal of it. i think it was the exact opposite. >> gretchen: i think it's fascinating that in less than a year, this is what we talk about all the time. this is what everyone is talking about. the tea party. i mean, it started out as being the mob. remember? now everyone is talking about it, including senator barbara boxer of california? she wants her people to get as excited as tea party people? listen to this. >> we need you to be excited, as excited as the tea party people are. will you help me? will you get excited? >> steve: so there she is. will you get excited like the tea party. she was addressing her people because she's in a heart fought fight right now to get reelected out there. it's interesting, my, how times changed. take a listen to the senator just in august of last year where she did not have positive things to say about the tea party movement. in fact, she said they're a bunch of fakeers. listen. >> i saw some of the clips of people storming these town hall meetings. the last time i saw well dressed people do this was when al gore asked me to go down to florida when they were recounting the ballots. this is just all organized, just go up on the web site, chris. you and the media have to look at what's going on here. this is all planned. >> brian: now it is all planned. they have people that do live events. people that turn out messages, and have major organizations that have come together on a series of events of the they decide now which tea party, what candidate should be targeted to be overturned, what republican candidate should be challenged. >> steve: what she was talking about back then, last year was she was suggesting that it was astro turf, fake grassroots, completely the republican party. as we've seen from recent poll, apparently the people who identified themselves as being members of the tea party or pro-tea party people are a majority of them are democrat and independent. in fact, there are more democrats and independents combined than republicans in the tea party. >> gretchen: that's why both parties have to figure out how they're going to handle the tea party movement because as you see now, most recently in the last week, a lot of democrats are all over the place. the republicans the same. i think this will be the greatest issue facing both political parties is how do we decide to cohesively handle the tea party. >> brian: you don't have to be a political expert is look at marco rubio and ron paul. the tea party got behind them. >> steve: also look how the democrats and the administration reacted a year ago. they said, yeah, they're a bunch of kooks, radical fringe members, they're racist and all that stuff. as it turns out, they weren't and there is a whole bunch of them. >> gretchen: all right. we'll continue this discussion, i'm sure, throughout the day and the coming weeks. can you believe today, marks the 15th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombings? memorial services are taking place at the oklahoma city memorials, the national memorial there. 168 people, including 19 children, killed when timothy mcveigh detonated a bomb at the murrah federal building. it caused hundreds of millions of damage to parts of downtown, oklahoma city and considered to be the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in recent u.s. history. it's still an air travel nightmare for millions of passengers. the problem started after the volcano erupted, causing the aviation industry 200 million bucks a day. earlier we spoke to a scientist about why the ash could create so many problems for pilots. >> once it hits you, it sandblasts your windshield. the pilots are going blind. first you see nothing and all of a sudden their windshields are frosted and they can't see and then the engines begin to sputter. >> gretchen: the e.u. predicts air travel could return to 50% of normal levels today. nasa scrubbed the first landing attempt of the space shuttle discovery due to bad weather in florida and will try at 10:23 eastern time this morning. if that doesn't work, it will be pushed back until tomorrow. the crew returning from a two-week mission to the international space station. after that, there are only three missions left for the space shuttle because the program is ending. a country music star making history as the first woman to win entertainer of the year twice. >> carrie underwood! >> gretchen: being named country music's top entertainer for the second year in a row. also good night for lady antebellum. snap ago seven year streak by rascal flats. for the fourth year in a row, brad pacely winning top male vocalist. patriot's day in massachusetts. it's time for the boston marathon which will start in less than two hours from now. this is a live picture right now. people gathering for the big event. 26,000 runners expected to participate in the 114th annual edition of the race. it calls for perfect running conditions. partly cloudy skies with temperatures in the 50s. those are your headlines. >> steve: very good. five ex governors are vying for their old jobs, asking voters if they're better off now or when they were in charge. we'll talk to mississippi governor haley barber about that coming up next. >> brian: i wonder if he's running for president. the volcano that stranded passengers on both sides of the atlantic almost ruined one couple's big day. how they didn't let a little ash cloud stop their wedding. bomb >> steve: before the break, you heard democrat senator from california, barbara boxer, encouraging her supporters to get as excited as the tea party protesters that we see around town, around the country. but back in 2009, senator boxer was singing a different tune, even mocking the movement. why the change of heart? mississippi governor and chairman of the republican governor's association, haley barber, joins us on the curvy couch. good morning to you. >> thanks. >> steve: what brings you to new york? >> i'm up here on business. state business and some republican governor's business. i'm chairing the republican governors association. >> steve: it's good to have you here. what do you make -- you just heard tim geithner say yesterday, you know, the tea partiers, they're interested in cutting down the deficit just like the obama administration. so he's trying to make nice with the tea party. you got barbara boxer saying, we've got to get excited like the tea party. what's going on? >> i think barbara boxer this time has it right. she ridiculed the tea party last august and said it was all contrived and made up. the fact is, the tea party movement and conservatives around this country, republicans and independents, are very, very energized and motivated on a negative reason. they think the country is going the wrong direction, that we have had the biggest jump to the right in any of our lifetime and want to do something about it. boxer would be benefited if her supporters had half the energy the tea party movement, but there is no reason for them to 'cause even a lot of them are disappointed with all this spending and all this debt and all the taxes they know will come with it. >> steve: it's not just the democrats that are in a tickle trying to go 180 on how to treat the tea party. look at members of the main stream media, they have completely tried to trash the tea party and now they got to do a 180. >> even to the point of acting like the tea party movement is going to cause people to be violent and stuff like that. that's the biggest crock that you've ever seen. >> steve: the former president suggested that. >> that is the lowest form of just absolute dem gogery and there is no basis but that the left takes it like this is the holy rift. the fact of the matter is, americans have a reason to be upset 'cause this election you're going to see they want to take their country back. >> steve: there you go. there are right now five former governors, couple of democrats and couple of republicans who would not their jobs back. do they have a chance? >> yeah. first, someone has been elected governor once, you have to give them credibility. some of them are behind in the polls. some of them like governor branstead, the four term governor of iowa is way ahead in the polls. he's been way ahead from the minute he got back in the race. it just depends. from jerry brown. >> steve: governor moonbeam. >> most recent poll social security three points behind. but don't underestimate jerry brown, the biggest problem he's got, he's been a huge taxer and spender no matter what office he held. been for huge tax increase, big spending increases. >> steve: let's talk about a governor who has been mentioned as a guy who might be interested in running for president of the united states in 2012. >> there are a lot of governors who might run. >> steve: i'm talking about you! a lot of people would like to see you run. are you interested? >> i'm flattered. but look. >> steve: are you interested? >> i'm a chairman of the republican convention. >> steve: i know, but are you interested? >> what i'm interested in are republicans winning 2010. these are the elections that matter. i mean that sincerely, whether there is 37 governor race, we can not wait until 2012 to start taking our country back. >> steve: let's say the republicans are have a really good year in 2010 and then would you think, well, maybe i've got a shot? >> then i'll sit down after this election, see if there is anything to think about. >> steve: so you haven't made up your mind? >> i've made up my mind and i'm not going to give any serious thought 'til after the election. we have to focus on this election. >> steve: that's a fair answer. >> it has a added measure of being truth. >> steve: thank you very much. have a safe trip back to mississippi. >> thanks. >> steve: straight ahead, should text messages that you send be public information if you used a blackberry or a computer owned by your company or should they be kept private? how a supreme court ruling could impact every american worker with access to a company phone, computer, blacks with berry or that guy's phone right there. >> brian: do you use a company computer, phone or blackberry to send texts and e-mails to loved ones and people you don't love that much? if so, does your employer have the right to read them and can they be used as grounds to fire you? the u.s. supreme court is taking up that very issue today. >> gretchen: this affects so many millions of people. we're joined by nancy someone, executive director of the e policy institute and nor of the e policy handbook. what a perfect guest for this. good morning to you and thank you so much for joining us. all right. so the supreme court is going to look at this. this will have a huge impact on people all across the u.s. because so many people get your blackberries or phones from work. should the workplace have the right to look at everything you send? >> sure. well, historically, the federal government under the electronic communications privacy act, has given the employer the right to monitor all electronic activity. remember, texting is nothing more than mobile e-mail. so the rules and the policies and the procedures that apply to e-mail have historically applied to texting as well. but if the case does prevail, it definitely is going to be a game changer for employers who it comes to employee monitoring. >> brian: because, maybe a lot of employers do this issue blackberries and things like that, in order to monitor you. correct? maybe some will start pulling that back. >> well, i don't know. this will affect public entities more than private, although certainly there is going to be some spillover. but you know, at the end of the day, electronic communication, particularly e-mail, whether it's created and transmitted via your blackberry or laptop or desk top, it all creates the electronic equivalent of dna evidence. we know from our surveys we conduct every year with american management association and e policy institute, that last year alone, 24% of organizations had employee e-mails sead and that's why employees take policy and training and monitoring technology so seriously. those are the best practices and employers really need to stick with those best practices, at least until this ruling comes down. >> gretchen: sometimes people use their computers at working to on their personal e-mail accounts. is the employer allowed to look at that? >> well, if you are using your company's system to access your personal e-mail, there is a real good chance that your boss is, in fact, monitoring your e-mail. in fact, we know from our latest amae policy survey that 50% of organizations banned the use of personal e-mail accounts and the reason employers -- you know, employers are not trying to be electronic voyeurs. they really don't care what we're saying to our spouses and our kids and our doctors, et cetera. they're trying to protect their organizations. assets and their reputation and their future. and they're trying to make sure that that content that's being transmitted doesn't trigger litigation or regulatory. >> brian: where does the right to privacy fit in? >> in this country, historically the employer's right to monitor has trumped employee privacy and the electronic communications privacy act clearly says on the one hand, the employer has the legal right to monitor. on the other hand, the employee has absolutely no reasonable expectation of privacy when using the company system. so employers need to put policy in place. they need to educate their employees and let them know, these are the rules. we are monitoring. and if i were an employee, i wouldn't use a company-provided tool until i had read that policy and made sure i really understood it. >> gretchen: very, very interesting case. we will have to wait and see how the supreme court rules on this. nancy flynn, thanks for being our guest. >> you're welcome. >> brian: all eyes on goldman sachs this morning as the sec charged the huge bank with a billion dollar fraud. is the timing a political ploy and what does goldman sachs say about the charges? >> gretchen: a cop possibly taking his love for the twilight saga a little too far. a police officer says her boss used the romance to try to win her love despite complaints and she's fighting back. next. >> steve: it came like a bolt on friday. really ran the stock market. it was announced the sec launched an investigation into goldman sachs because they had that derivative that essentially was brought to them by a guy and what they didn't realize was that the way that that guy was going to make money was, in fact, for everybody to essentially lose their shirt, which they did. as it turns out, goldman sachs learned nine months ago that they were a possible target. they received something called a wells notice last july, but, you know, that they were being investigated by the government, but they didn't have to tell anybody, even though the stock market cratered their stock by something like 12% on friday. >> gretchen: it's interesting because there is another story out that it's usually a courtesy from the sec that they give companies advance notice of pending suits. it's interesting to figure out which one it is. did goldman sachs know that they were being investigated? apparently so. >> brian: they did. >> gretchen: but what does this mean about other future banks being investigated and more importantly, what does this mean for the president to get financial bank reform passed now? in the minds of the american people when they see investigations like this, it makes it easier. >> brian: i think so, too. and the republicans say i think there should be reform. i thought you were going to include us in this process. senator dodd is trying to lead that charge. the president says the word is today in the "new york times," that he learned from the health care debate not to give somebody else the lead story. let him go ahead and trumpet reform and what would be a better day, open up with goldman sachs getting an sec fraud charge to start off. so meanwhile, stuart varney was asked about the timing of this. it's the same stuart varney from varney and company who comes on every day. here is what he said about the timing and was it a coincidence or not. >> the timing is absolutely perfect. wall street looks very bad, it looks like wall street really was responsible for the panic of 08, just days before the politicians attempt to put a collar on wall street, reform it, root and branch, and really get it under control. the timing is absolutely perfect. it has shifted public opinion even more in favor of really solid reform of wall street and made wall street even more unpopular than it was a week ago. >> brian: you didn't like the way chrysler went down, where the president told everyone, go merge with fiat and then i'll tear you apart and you don't like the way gm went down where close up everything and we're going to put a new board in place, put new ceo's, you don't want all that, you'll hate this because the government, whoever is the president or the treasury secretary, will have an opportunity to go, um, the next lehman, we're going to tear it down because we think it's too big. goldman sachs is not taking this laying down. they say, we are disappointed that the sec would bring this action related to a single transaction in the face of an extensive record which establishes that the accusations are unfounded. goldman is upset. they feel as though they took a pounding. >> steve: they lost $90 million. >> brian: and they put a voice mail out to all their employees, tell your clients that we don't agree with this charge. we're going to fight it every step of the way and there is another side to this story. >> gretchen: it's interesting because i believe that the head of goldman sachs has to testify on capitol hill next week as well. i don't know whether or not he'll be allowed to even give testimony regarding this if he's now currently under investigation. all the timing is interesting. >> steve: or would he have to take the fifth? meanwhile, today, it was a 15 years ago today that timothy mcveigh pulled the truck up in front of the murrah federal building in oklahoma city and ran off and blew it up and killed 186 people, i think, something like that, including 20 kids, who were in the daycare there in the building. it's interesting, though, in the runup to this past weekend, bill clinton compared tea party protesters to what happened in oklahoma city 15 years ago. is that a fair comparison? you be the judge. we'll play a little from bill clinton and then rush and also bill clinton as well. >> brian: rush limbaugh? >> steve: yeah. >> 15th anniversary of oklahoma city, i'm not trying to draw total parallels, i'm just saying we should be aware of this. this is a vast echo chamber, this internet. and there is lots of folks listening and as i said, some are serious, some are delirious. some are connected, some are unhinged. >> brian: bill clinton with what the sound bite you just heard, just gave for the kooks an excuse to be violent. he just offered them an opportunity to be violent. >> the only point i tried to make is that when i went back and started preparing for the 15th anniversary of oklahoma city, i realized that there were a lot of parallels between the early '90s and now, both in the feeling of economic dislocation and the level of uncertainty people felt, the rise of kind of identity politics, the rise of the militia movements and right wing talk radio. >> gretchen: all right. so whether or not you should bring a political message into the oklahoma city bombing, you be the judge on that. two democratic strategists have now written an op ed, interestingly enough, kind of taken a hit at their own party, saying that democrats are out of touch right now. here is part of what they say. the swing voters who are key to the fate of the democratic party, care most about three things. reigniting the economy, reducing the deficit, and creating jobs. these vote railroads outraged by the seeming indifference of the obama administration and congressional democrats. so that is a very interesting statement. we have both of those guests on our show frequently and they have said just that on this show as well. >> brian: it seems to me a desperate call for democrats to stop it before you have a horrible november. you have plenty of time to reverse your message, hone the talk, and you're not doing it, so they wrote publicly. >> steve: even though former president clinton had those comments about the tea party member, other members of the democrat party are trying to make nice and extend the olive branch, as it were, to some members of that movement. 22 minutes before the top of the hour. let's look at headlines. president obama's top military advisor says all options are on the table. the united states is prepared to respond to iranian nuclear ambitions. defending himself get a leaked memo written by robert gates. here is what admiral mike mullens had to say at a forum at columbia university in new york. >> we in the pentagon, we plan for contingencies all the time and so certainly there are options which exist. the implication is that we're not working on it. i assure you, this is as complex a problem as there is in our country and we have extended extraordinary amounts of time and effort to figure that out, to try to get that right. >> steve: good. meanwhile, secretary gates has released a statement saying the memo was not meant to sound the alarm on iran's nuclear ambitions. >> gretchen: the trial begins at camp victory for one of the three u.s. navy seals accused of mistreating a detainee in fallujah. earlier we spoke to former navy seal who will be testifying on the petty officers. it. >> it send has horrible message to our troops, as well as our enemies that all they have to do is accuse some of our folks of beating them and you have three of our top warriors taken off the battlefield for somebody accusing them of punching them. >> gretchen: petty officer second class matthew mccabe is accused of punching the terrorist after they were able to nab him. his trial is set for may 3. his trial will be in virginia. >> brian: spirit airlines is standing behind its decision to charge a fee for carryon luggage. this after chuck schumer got commitments from five other airlines not to charge for carry-ons. earlier we were joined by the ceo for spirit airlines. he gave us his take. >> the decision about whether this is right or wrong will be made by our customers. not by me or senator schumer. and right now, our sales are doing extremely well and customers are responding very well to this. so at this point, i'd say we still think we made the right move because while we added a fee, we also lowered our fares significantly at the same time. >> brian: the five airlines who pledged not to charge carry-on fees are united, delta, american, jet blue and u.s. airways. >> steve: new york police commander taking his love for the movie twilight perhaps a little too far. >> let's say i'm not smart. >> steve: that's the movie. the officer being accused of sexual harassment after another officer says he sent her unwanted twilight-themed messages and texts. he compares of two of them to bela and jacob, the couple from the series who we saw right there. he has declined to comment on the situation. >> brian: have you seen the movie? >> steve: no. >> gretchen: a british couple stuck in the uae by the volcanic ash chaos, exchanges vows at a web cam wed not guilty dubai. the couple were devastated when they were told they would miss their preplanned nuptials in england. but the millennium airport hotel in dubai arrange add live link up allowing them to celebrate with families and friends away in london. >> brian: they paid for them to party while they were in a different country? >> gretchen: yeah. i guess the wedding had to go on so they celebrated the link. congratulations to the newlyweds. >> brian: do you know how many people's lives were disrupted with jobs or vacations or everybody had special things they had to show up at, interviews? everybody has just been putting their lives on hold that have to travel intercontinental. >> steve: can you imagine how many people have -- from the united states, here in new york city, you know, they're going to take a huge hit financially with the tourism. but imagine you're in the united states and you're supposed to fly over to europe for a vacation or like a cruise. okay. the airline will probably have to make up the trip on them, but what about the cruise line, unless you've got that vacation insurance, travel insurance, i think you're stuck. >> brian: you're better off on the nina, santa maria. i'd work the boat just to get home. >> gretchen: we'll continue to talk about that. i think we were told earlier that the science expert, this thing will be going on for a while, unfortunately. >> steve: he said that even though the airlines are flying airplanes through that stuff, he said he would hold his breath if he had to fly through that volcanic ash. >> gretchen: i don't think i would be signing up for any of those flights. nasa delaying the arrival of discovery. will the crew get to come home today at all? former astronaut tom jones is here with the latest next. >> brian: that's not unusual. >> brian: space shuttle discovery's landing in nasa's kennedy space center has been postponed due to rain. they have schedule add second landing attempt at 10:23 a.m. eastern time. >> gretchen: joining us with more is former nasa astronaut and author of sky walking, tom jones. good morning to you, tom. >> hi. >> gretchen: so this is pretty typical. right, when there is any kind of incomplement weather in florida, they tend to delay the landing or scrap it all together. is that what we're facing here today? >> this morning around sunrise, they had pretty bad conditions, low visibility due to fog and rain showers within 30 miles which can damage the shuttle's tiles and low cloud cover, which means the commander wouldn't be able to see the runway until very late in his approach. they waved off an hour and a half. and they will make a call whether to commit to the second landing. things are looking better. >> steve: if they don't do it today, they'll try tomorrow. let me ask you this, so many times they've said, you know what, it's not going to work out for florida. let's land out in california. but because money is so tight right now, and it costs a million bucks to ferry it back to florida, is that a consideration? >> it always is. they would like to spare themselves the expense at nasa of flying the shuttle all the way across the country. there is some risk involved as well as the expense. tomorrow they'll certainly try to get the shuttle into florida if possible as a first choice. they'll hope they get in later this morning and the clouds are starting to break up and the visibility was getting better and now it's a question of these rain showers. >> brian: tom, outside buzz aldrin. >> a real negative feeling right now about what's going to be happening with the space program, being that the russians are charging us so much to go off to space, the shuttle is about to be shelfed and now programs will have to be cut off? >> i think the russian charging us 55 million is a symptom of our real short-term problem and that's when the shuttle retires its fleet, we've got no u.s. method of getting astronauts to the space station and the former space flyers i talked to, former fly director, most of the team that's worked on the shuttle last 30 years is really worried about this team disbursing and we will have no experience base to start up again in five years if this trend continues. >> gretchen: exactly. has it created any sort of strife between former astronauts, current astronauts, people supporting president obama's move versus those who don't? >> there is just a professional disagreement about the policy, but i think it's a very important one. this is a critical point for decision making and i think the president's speech helped with a long-term promise we'll be going out into deep space and the u.s. will remain a leader in space exploringation, but now he has to produce the budget to back that up and a lot of people in the space community don't see that promise is really been committed to. >> steve: all right. tom jones, former nasa astronaut, we thank you for joining us. they will try to land that thing coming up -- they'll make the decision in 20 minutes. this they do it, you'll see it live right here. thanks, tom. >> you're welcome. >> brian: straight ahead, forget drug testing. just hire this dog. you're about to see how parents are using this dog to keep their kids in line, next. >> gretchen: let's check in with bill hemmer for what's on at the top of the hour. >> welcome back, steve. happy monday to all three of you, good morning. nature's fury continues to stall a continent, volcanic ash shooting towards the heavens again today. how financial reform could affect you, and bill clinton on the mistake he made as president. we'll debate that, fair and balanced in 11 minutes here on america's newsroom. we'll see you then. >> steve: here is quite a story. parents in arizona have a new tool in keeping their kids off drugs. you can pay our next guest to come to your house to search your house with her dog, privately and confidentially. >> brian: smell your kid, too. amy and her dog join us right now. amy, you are offering a your -- what does your dog do that would be so special for parents that are concerned about their kids? >> well, thank you for having me on. a lot of parents obviously are concerned about their kids. if they're suspicious, there are different ways to deal with that situation. one is administer a drug test to the child. but if they're not quite at that point, dargo can come in, sweep through the house and determine whether or not there is the presence of narcotics. >> steve: i understand for the services you charge about 150 bucks. let's say the dog walks through a house and then stops. why would dargo stop? what sort of drug social security he train to do detect? >> he is basically trained on anything illegal. so if you think of heroin, which is very common right now, marijuana, meth and cocaine are the main ones. and when he's sweeping through a house, he may catch the scent of a narcotic and he would slow down, stop. he might go past it and then come back as he narrows down the scent cone. >> steve: he doesn't actually point at the bag of drugs or anything like that. you just put a little post-it note where he stopped. right? and the parents later have to go digging around for it? >> well, that's exactly right. and what he does is has a passive alert, which means he doesn't dig or scratch in the area. he will go to the area and sit. >> brian: he's six and he's been through the canine academy, so he's global canine training approved. i guess you could keep your problem at home and keep the legal system out of it and maybe have a chance to do it if you're child is involved. right? 'cause this a u.s. a private hire? >> this is a private service. basically what we provide is data to the parents. it's like do we or don't we have the problem that we suspect we have? at that point, they can take the appropriate action with a family counselor or whatever is necessary at that point. >> steve: right. i understand you have worked for actual businesses and they think that that's cheaper to hire you to have the dog walk through the office rather than have some sort of individual drug screening. right? >> well, it's another tool in the tool box. but a human resources manager did say, wow, i can do a whole office area for less expense than i can administer ago drug test. >> steve: dargo was on the force for a while. he was a member of the law enforcement community, but had to retire because -- is it true he was afraid -- he was startled by loud noises? >> well, it wasn't just loud noises. it was like when he was out on a freeway with 18 wheelers going by at night, so there are -- >> steve: i'm the same way. amy and dargo, we thank you very much for joining us from phoenix, arizona. >> brian: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. straight ahead, an octopus steal has camera and amateurs amazing footage. that's next on "fox & friends." >> gretchen: here is what happens when you give your camera to an octopus. this diver was swimming off the coast of new zealand when a sea creature grabbed the camera and sped off with it. he captured some amazing footage of the

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