>> no, but they understand, yeah, it doesn't pan out, but the american people won't accept it and they shouldn't. the equivalent we had in the senate watergate hearings they did have public hearings and american people got a chance to see john dean and the other people and judge their integrity and sincerity. neil: do you think that would have the same effect now? >> yes. neil: you do? >> i think that americans are going to tune in and you know, i think he's being sincere, no, i think he's lying. that's what has to happen. neil: do you see any potential grenades. there were taxpayers, canceled checks and john dean and the presidency. in a public hearing venue others have been telling me this possibly could boomerang on democrats, looks like they're going for blood and could hurt themselves. >> if it's a fair process, the american people will make the judgment. this judgment cannot be made in secret whether the witnesses are telling the truth or not.