was subjected to impeachment, there was a special counsel who held hours and hours and hours of private interviews before there were public hearings on the facts gleaned. since there is no special counsel, this is the inquiry phase similar to what mr. starr did some time ago, but i do agree, and i probably would share some of the views of my republican colleague, mr. burn, that we're all better off when this is a public conversation and we focus on the facts. i do think there is a bet of hyperventilation on both sides around the process where we would all be better served sooner rather than later if we get to the public hearing phase of this. >> absolutely. >> and focus solely on the facts. >> no offense to you guys, but i care a lot less about you than i do about the 63 million americans who voted for president trump who want to hear openly what evidence there is against him and who want to hear