there. david: it's all taxes. >> taxes. i'm not -- these are for examples. for examples, the capital gains tax could be changed, could be reduced from 23.8% which is very, very high. there's a lot of things that can be done to simplify the tax code, to help middle class folks in small businesses, to lower rates, to create incentives. david: so tax cuts 2.0, is that a campaign strategy headed into 2020. the head of forbes media, steve forbes. and co-chair, and jessica tarhov. taxes a strategy? >> the tax code, much too high and even in blue states they'd love the idea of reducing tax rates and stimulate the economy. good tax cuts are good. the idea that you can overstimulate with good tax cuts is preposterous.