>> dana: i took a trip over the weekend and a road trip and my husband and sister in the front and i was reading this. your new book called the president and the freedom fighter. i think it is excellent. it's a page turner learning a lot and it comes out at an interesting time if you look at the relationship and what was possible. >> people want to make tweets like we talked about and white supremacy and tear down statues of washington and jefferson out of the state house or the city council center in new york city, i think you have to read and find out what's going on and don't just read and say this is my author's interpretation of douglas and lincoln. i built this around quotes and speeches. they talked about where the country was douglas was and where it had to go. he had nothing but hope. he was born a slave. when you see how he flattened things out in this country we're not perfect.