general have signed on. do you think breaking up the companies is the right thing to do? >> i don't think it's the right thing to do for two reasons. first of all, as i think severe as the problems are with big tech today, i certainly don't want to live in a world in which the largest technology companies in the world are chinese rather than american. i also don't think it will be that effective. the real problem isn't a monopoly on product. it is a monopoly on ideas. if you take the four big companies and break them into 40 small companies but all adhere to the same ideology it will been and ideological cartel instead. we need to break up the ideological cartel and open up the marketplace of ideas. the right fixes will be in the direction of section 230 report big tech and big government using 20th century antitrust rules is the wrong way to go. >> dana: this is just -- i've been reading the story of the hypocrisy of covid restrictions on college campuses.