gaulle. macron has been talking about a european defense agreement, a european defense agency in essence. so france always plays a little bit of a disruptive role. most of the time it is behind the scenes in the settled with a cool, polite, political talk in public. today we saw it right out there in front. both men went at each other politely but nonetheless in a way we're not used to seeing at international meetings. >> sandra: macron's words, we do pay what we have to pay. president trump went on to characterize the current state of nato. it has come a long way in three years. it is fairer. as for nato kun tres not investing enough in defense he says they'll be dealt with. maybe i'll deal with them from a trade standpoint ordeal with them another way. we're behind you 100%. >> the president's focus interesting to me fairness. he kept using the word fair.