deposed, is that right? >> that's correct. >> and one of the things that you now remember is the discussion that you had with president trump on july 26th in that restaurant in kiev, right? >> what triggered my memory was someone's reference to asap rocky, the primary purpose of the phone call. >> certainly. that's one way memory works, isn't it? and you were sitting in a restaurant with david holmes in kiev having lunch? >> i think i took the whole team out to lunch after the meeting, yeah. >> and it was a meeting one-on-one meeting you had with andre yermak? >> again, trying to reconstruct a very busy day without the benefit but if someone said i had a a meeting and i went to the meeting, then i won't dispute that. >> particularly if that person took notes at that meeting? >> correct. >> or sat outside the door when you didn't let them in?