keep talking about these trillions as though it's not going to have any effect on middle-class taxes. i think joe biden was trying to make that point about medicare for all that you can't promise all these benefits without raising taxes on middle-class families. i can understand why they don't want to talk about it. >> bill: why would there be so little ultimately when you think about it every day and all likelihood that's what people vote on. >> i think they are going to talk about it but they're going to talk about it in class terms that donald trump's economy benefits the rich. it's going to be a harder message when you look at their record employment levels for latinos, for african-americans, for women it's going to be hard to argue that the benefits of this growing economy are confined to the topic is in fact the reality is the best thing you can do for people at the bottom of an economy's growth. there is no hope for people. it's compounded gains, get them into the workforce, and get the move up the ladder. there is nothing, there is no