>> traditional jobs, kimberly's point you aren't going to replace them. the big solar projects under president obama in california and elsewhere. i would read 2 or 3 billion being sunk into the projects that would have permanent jobs, 10, 15, mind bugling stuff. so if you want to put mirrors over the entire country and see if that can do the work of fossil fuels you won't have a lot of people manning them at the end of the day. it is a real tough one. again we get back to the voters saying do i really want to give this up? it's a major part of our economy. we're now finally energy independent. we produce more oil than any nation in the world. is now the time to get rid of it? natural gas, the abundance of natural gas we have makes us a supplier around the world. so the idea of getting rid of this right now just as we're peaking is nuts. >> heather: it didn't work for hillary clinton when she talked about doing away with coal jobs. >> that's in west virginia. >> heather: she admits it was a