a government of laws. and we should have the ability for our elected officials to go and see if laws are being followed. and now you get a situation again i say that's the kind of cut and dry approach but the politics here are so intense. you have policies being put in place. >> sandra: it wasn't a firm no. they could have said we will commit to abiding by the rules and time frames. dhs says unless we receive a firm commitment that the committee and staff will comply with existing guidelines and policies they would have said set the rules and we'll follow them. >> that would negate the ability of the congressional officials to investigate the conditions in the detention centers and tt border. >> sandra: gillibrand is out. the 2020 field narrows, a lot of members of your party not happy about some of the rules that were placed on entering into this third debate. here is tulsi gabbard on tucker carlson last night.