at least 2% support nationally in four different goals. some candidates reached one threshold but not the other, and they will be watching the debate on tv. joe biden says he expects to continue being targeted by lower polling candidates who are hoping to raise their own profiles. but his preference is this more limited format. he is quoted this morning saying "it has taken me and i assume some other some time to figure out how to engage in a nondebate debate because there has been no debate. just because there is only one stage in september doesn't mean that there can't be two stages in october because the thresholds are going to remain the same pew some candidates like tim ryan are out there saying that it is just making them a little bit longer to do it. they are out there campaigning, and they will be back. jon. >> jon: we will see. >> sandra: we will take it from there. we have our a-team joining us. mollie hemingway, and fox news contributor.