some we say might be getting to the destinations very soon. that's where we start. good morning, i'm bill hemmer, welcome to america us noose room. -- to "america's newsroom". martha: good good morning, i'm martha maccallum, europe's airports have been closed for five days, they are trying to get people where they need to go and british airways are canceling flights for tuesday as well. so another day of grounded flights. bill: it's been a truly rough ride for passengers and the airlines, airlines are losing $200 million a day, some carriers now in a risk of filing for bankruptcy, and the situation so bad in great britain, the royal navy is sending out their ships to pick up stranded passengers on the other side of the english channel. mike tobin is live in london at heist row airport where he got stranded last week. he has shaved, as martha says! what's the government doing, mike? good morning. >> reporter: the royal navy, good morning, has now dispatched some three ships to handle this problem. the hms-arc royal and a flagship of the royal navy has been dispapatched to the english cham, sells the -- as well as the hms ocean, the primary duty to pick up stranded travelers in europe and bring them back to british soil, the hms albion, the primary function will be to pick up soldiers returning from duty in afghanistan and get them back to british soil, bill. bull bill what is the volcano doing today? has it for lack of a better phrase, has it simmered down a little bit? >> a little bit, there was another eruption earlier today but the geologists watches the volume capeo is suggesting it's kicking that ash cloud to a lower altitude, transfer you why countries like denmark leering flights above 30,000 feet, and test flights going up, germany is testing the air, air france, british airways and klm have put up test flights and they have all concerned to the ground reporting no problems, the czech republic has opened its air space but something you should be mindful of in the states is the ash plume has reached across the atlantic and has touched remote parts of canada. bill: mike tobin, thank you. if you viewers don't recall mike was fellowing -- was flying from jerusalem bound for new york city and he got stranded in london and is reporting yet again. another victim we might say. martha: like so many other people who are stuck there. people asked me over the weekend, when is my husband going to get home from his business trip from a week ago! and we have a glient cloud from this volume saneo, analysts estimating the problems from the airline industry could add two hld, talk about insult to injury, forget and british airways and other carriers are seeking compensation from the, u. from the air space closure they've had to endure. what does this mean for the economy and in general? who better to ask than stuart varnny of the fox business network. the metaphor is striking here. this is a cloud over the economy, stuart. >> who could have seen it coming, this is unforeseen event that is zap around and hit you. the damage actually has already been done, although some of the flights are getting back in the air, especially in southern europe today. the damage has been done. number one, british airways, asking for help from the european union, they just lost a lot of money, small why were een airports -- airlines like air bol -- berlin ryanair are short of money because they the get revenue. they're not flying. it could put the british economy into a mild recession, lrp europe is not growing, it's dead flat, its economy, and now with this travel stoppage, you could see the worst hit country, that's britain, back off a little into a very minor recession. it could have that impact. on american carriers, they've lost their bread and butter travel routes. america to europe is a wonderful money maker for american carriers. that's been shut down for five days, so they will feel some economic impact. but you know, martha, i think where it hurts most is in those passengers, hundreds of thousands of them, if not a million, who are stranded, because the airline doesn't pay for their hotel or food, the airline says look, this is a volcanic eresumption, we can't be responsible for that, it's not like a mechanical failure, we can't take responsibility, so we're not paying. some of these people who have been stranded for four, five day, they've got to pay their own way, they're out a lot of money. martha: it's hurting their wallet as well, stuart, thank you very much, incredible story. good to see you, stuart. stuart varney. bill: in the meantime president obama gearing fun a campaign-style push that may change wall street, he hopes, according to the white house, the president hits the road this week, the president trying to win republican support for a bill that could hit the senate floor later this month, the republican critics say the legislation on finance reform could lead to more bailouts. john fund from the "wall street journal," good morning. does the proposed bill make for a better system based on what you've been able to see? >> they've been revising it but there are troubling things. it's not that it sets all $50 billion fund for bailouts but it grants the federal government unpress did power to seize any financial institution they think is failing and decide which creditors get paid off. we saw what happened in general motors. in general motors, the unions got their bonds paid off 100-cents on the dollar, other bold holder got 20 cents on the dollar so this is an enr -- an enormous grant to the federal government and that's why it's not a bipartisan bill. there are no republicans supporting this bill. bill: roll this year and -- here and we'll talk about it. >> the president's bill is not a good bill, period, i've reviewed it, we've analyzed it. bill: was that quick! what he said, essentially, john, is he'll filibuster the thing. is that a smart idea? >> well, the democrats are looking at polls showing there's only one area where the public supports more government regulation and that's about 60 percent of the people say we need to crack down on wall street and its abuses. that's why the civil lawsuits is so exquisitely timed for political purposes because if it was filed with a political purpose in mind, it gives enormous impetus to democrats who say this proves we need regulation of wall street and two, last friday there was an inspector general's report showing the securities and exchange commission completely failed to find the ponzi scheme empire, in other words, a second bernie madoff, what a great way to remove this from the headlines by filing the lawsuit against goldman sachs. bill: many have observed this, the timing is perfect. here's what you have, a president going on the road with any populous message and a lot of americans look at wall street and you think you big fat cats, you're making all the meend taking it from us. back to the question about scott brown, do the republicans take a risk in opposing it? knowing how popular it is for many americans who despise wall street. >> 60 percent support more financial regulation. it is a risk. but it says a few things that a lot of people may look the different way. fannie mae and foreclosure, who led us into this housing mess and other banks who made stupid mistakes, they're not reformed by this bill, they got off scot-free and if you want to get back at wall street, the best way is to end all bailouts, say you bear the risk for whatever robs you have, don't get too big to fail because we're not going to bail you you out. that would be the most effective regulation on wall street that you could have. bill: with fannie and freddie many do not remember the late '90s when congress changed the rules to get better financing to observation who couldn't get otherwise. >> we had zero downpayment loans and that was a recipe for trouble and sure enough trouble arrived and that's why so many homes are under water and we're having so many foreclosures. bill: you make good points, john fund, thank you. martha: there's a big history of the government fixing a wall street problem and not foreseeing the next thing down the road. we always fix it after the fact, and then the newest instrument out there that gets used is the new creation. it will be interesting to see whether they'll be able to put in safeguards that will help us long term. in the meantime, the pentagon is taking on "the new york times" after a report the secretary of defense robert gates issued a secret memo to the white house issuing a stark wake-up call on iran, now robert gates is firing back. bill: also a war of words between president clinton and rush limbaugh, have you seen this. >> i'm in a state right now, if there is a future incident such as oklahoma city, the blame is squarely on the shoulders of bill clinton and barack obama. >> after that, bill clinton was asked about it eve the -- over the weekend. you'll hear what he said about it, how the comments about antigovernment sentiment sparked this debate. march minister they say spare the rod and spoil the killed. why one school district wants to bring back the paddle. we're serious. next. martha: news alert out of cape can after value, florida, this crossing -- canaveral, nasa is postponing the discovery's return to earth until tuesday, they're dealing with bad weather in cape canaveral, they're expected to leave at 7:23 tomorrow morning, that's the scheduled time. we'll keep you posted. bill: something tells me those guys enjoy the rides! he said, she said, brewing over iran as report of a secret memo sent by secretary of defense robert gates from the white house, warning the white house that it look as clear strategy for dealing with iran, some suggesting it's sound -- he's sounding the alarm u. secretary gates saying he was contributing to the ongoing policy debate. here's senator john mccain addressing the memo on fox news sunday with chris wallace. >> i didn't need a secret memo, plft gates, to ascertain that, we do not have a coherent policy, i think that's -- i think that's obviously, we keep threatening sanctions, including the last md as, we keep threatening and obviously we've not done anythingna this any way would be viewed effective. former secretary of state george schultz once told me, he said my old marine drill vctor -- instructor said never point a gun at somebody unless you're willing to pull the trigger. we have to be willing to pull the trigger on significant sanctions. bill: are we, then, what are we doing with iran's buildup, what can we do to stop it. former secretary of defense under president reagan, fox news analyst and cohost of foxnews.com def-kon3. you wrote memos like these for the white house. >> the significance is it's a 3-page memo. it went to the national security adviser saying heads up, guys, we've got to find a plan here because it seems the administration doesn't have a plan, it's sort of flailing, on one hand talking about democratic sanctions and other 457bd, talking about diplomacy, nothing happening there and secretary clinton, talking about a defense umbrella, and pressuring israel, when we're worried about iran, pressuring israel. bill: you're saying the white house does not have a clear plan. >> i don't think they do. bill toil to respond to -- bill: to iran, either sanctions or the possibility of a military strike? >> the clock o'clock is -- the cock is ticking. as the joint chief of staff says iran iran -- says iran will have enough uranium in a year and k5euility -- and capability of develop ago nuclear weapon in three years. you don't want to be in a situation where they say we'll bomb iran. bill: this is intriguing and what's -- >> i shared an office with secretary gates. bill: what's the intent of leaking something like this, what is somebody at white house or pentagon trying to tell snus. >> this concern within the administration about what is the plan because they don't want to be in this situation, six, eight months from now where they have to make the choices, bombing iran that involves a war in the middle east or get iran get the bomb. bill: two more points, first of all, mike mullen was in new york yesterday, he was making a speech at columbia university, he was asked about this topic, here's how he reacted. >> from from my perspective, that's the last option is to strike iran. and i think i was very clear about the decision space here, to not much decision space, because of the two outcomes, having a weapon and striking generate unintended consequences that are difficult to predict. bill: i don't know if was prepared to answer that but in all likelihood he didn't think the memo would get out. >> when you're in the administration, you think everything is possible to leak so you have to take that into consideration. bill: people in washington are telling you this administration has resigned itself to iran going nuclear. >> there are some within the administration that have resigned themselves to iran going nuclear so what they want to do is say how do we prevent a nuclear arms race, one approach is to squeeze israel, which is what you're seeing, squeeze israel to have a peace agreement with the palestinians and thereby telling the rest of the muslim world, arab world in the united states, see, the united states can pressure israel, we can deliver peace, trust us, if iran goes nuclear, you don't need to. bill: all these are fascinating as we look at the different options that may or may not be in front of us. next time we need to talk about our roll in the -- relate in the middle east and how the relationships change among each other. >> those are the right questions, bill. bill: thank you, and check in, def-con three. martha: that was very interesting. thanks k.t. these were brutal crimes and they sparked outrage all across the country, john gardener now confessing to the rape of two teenagers in california. we reported this to you, now there are new de he details on what the father may have said that may have provec dollars that con -- provoked that confession. bill: this an indication that you text messages may not always stay private. the supreme court set to decide whether or not your text messages are really your own. bill: breaking news from europe on this volume can nish ash -- volcanic ash, the british airways says that the test flights through the volume volcanic ash proved that the blanket restrictions are, quote, unnecessary, this is the ceo on board the plane, they suffered no damage to the jet engines and now the head of the becomes a. is saying the restrictses are not necessary. -- restrictions are not necessary. it was the end of last week when f-16s on behalf of nato flew through this ash in the plume of smoke and suffered damage to the engine. now the b.a. chief is saying we had no problem flying. you still have thousands and thousands of flights that have been canceled, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, who are been -- who have been delayed with travel and now you have the statement from british airways. we're watching every movement as this fascinating story of mother nature spewing toward the hevence -- heavens continues. martha: well, watch what you text! in the workplace, folks, the supreme court is taking all case that could impact every american worker, specifically the justices will be asked if an employee has a constitutionally protected right to privacy using those devices you see there when it comes to messages that are sent on a company-owned blackberry or computer or phone. even if in some cases the text messages might be sexually charged. shannon bream joins us with more. shannon, what's the backyownd on this case? everybody knows that whatever is on there is really notors. >> reporter: -- really not yours. >> reporter: this is from the city of ontario, california, these people were given pager and told they could use them for business. they specifically addressed computers and things like e-mail and techs. these guys say that didn't apply to the pagers, they thought they could use them for personal use as well. some started to go over the limit, the number of texts each month and they were warned, you can pay for the overages. after this happened three or four times the superior said i want to know when there are about. it turns out there were sexually explicit tectses -- texts involving the sergeant's wife and most recent -- mistress and others in the department. he felt like the research violated the fourth amendment, now it ends up today in the supreme court. martha: it's so interesting, shannon, because everybody has felt for some time that there's not love law to fall back on to know whether or not the internet messages are protected or not protected. what should employees assume? >> well, it's interesting, because this is a developing area of law, we haven't had this technology for decades or centuries like many things that have been decided by the supreme court. the law gives private employers a wide latitude to keep an eye on what you're texting or e-mailing, 83 percent of employers have policies in place to determine how you can and cannot use that type of equipment. many say they have a rule in place or tool that monitors what you're doing, 40 percent say they actually look through your e-mails and read them. martha: hmm! good to know, thank you shannon! shannon breem outside the supreme court. bill back over to you. bill: i'm telling you, i'm reading your e-mails every day! martha: oh boy. bull bill a school district is wanting to bring back discipline, spanking sparking a national debate. what do the folks say about spank something. >> if you're going to get hit, the parents should do it, not the school. >> i don't need discipline, i can discipline my own, that may not be the case for everyone. >> this is going cause the kids to get mad and probably retaliate. bill: we'll take you there live. also the battle between bill clinton and rush limbaugh, the two squaring off antigovernment and the tea party movement. a fair and balanced debate on what they're saying back and forth, in only three minutes. flurn flush -- bill: fox news alert, it is the day yet again, 168 seconds of silence, one for each victim, today marking 15 years since the bombing of the murrah federal building in oklahoma city, a remembrance set to begin at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, it's such a poignant memorial to the lives lost that day and those jud. family members and victims and friends and survivors gather to mark that horrific day. the deadliest domestic terror attack in u.s. history. this was the scene, april 19th, 1995, after tim thee mcvey detonated a truck full of explosives outside of that building. we will listen in on the moment of silence coming in 30 minutes. we will be there too on "america's newsroom". martha: all right, have you heard about this, the faceoff between bill clinton and rush limbaugh, the first comments we'll play are former president clinton's response after his original comment suggested there could be some elements of the tea party that might be driven to violence and he sort of cited the 15th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing as a ref residence in that comment. first we're going to play to you his reaction ef the -- offer the weekend as he elaborated on it. listen to this. >> the only point i tried to make is when i went back and started preparing for the 15th anniversary of oklahoma city, i realized that there were a lot of parallels between the early '90s and now, both in the feeling of economic dislocation, the level of uncertainty, people felt the rise of kind of identity politics, the rise of the militia movement and right wing talk radio. martha: now let's listen to what rush limbaugh has said in the back and forth about all of this. >> i'm going to state right now, if there is a future incident such as oklahoma city, the blame is squarely on the shoulders of bill clinton and barack obama. martha: all right. so there's some of the backand forth on all of that. that was rush's original comment that sort of sparked this controversy, but in recent days it seems the democrats have in some ways been sending very mixed messages about where they stand on the issue of the tea party. one thing is for sure, they're not writing this group off anymore, they're talking about it quite a bit, its pros and cons, you could sigh. -- you could say. a fair and balanced debate rye now, bock beckel and andrea santoras. welcome on this monday! bob, let me go to you first. president clinton rarely throws out comments without sort of having some forethought in them. why do you think he made this original connection between tim thee mcvey and the possibility of violence sparked by some extremists in the tea party movement? >> i think he made it because i think it's a real possibility and i he was something standing who could say it. he's the most popular politics in mek, domestically and overseas and he went through the oklahoma city bombing, as president he raised this issue back then, caused a fewer you are on the right, including rush limbaugh and others but the fact of the matter is the climate generated then contributed -- then contributed to an atmosphere. was it responsible for what mcvey did, no, but the fact is the fringe has now a number of people who are pro gun, antigovernment and racist and i think that now you're seeing the rise of the militias, both informally and formally by state governments. that and of itself is enough to let some nut out there think they have permission to move forward. martha: bob, there could always be some nut out there. tim thee mcvey when he wrote about his own reasons for doing it, was very separate from what a lot of people grouped with him at the time, but anda, what i'm interested in, because you guys are such strong political analyst, we're seeing this discussion, democrats talking about the possibility for violence, clearly they know this is a group they have to contend with politically in some way, is this a coordinated effort to present them as crazy, potentially violent? >> slutly. they need an enemy, we saw martha a poll came out saying over 80 percent of americans with disgusted with the government. who's running the government? the democrats, so they need to define an enemy and their enemy they've chose tone define are the tea party movement which is surprising to me because during the campaign we saw barack obama say get into your neighbor's face. i mean, he was quoting rules for radicals. liberals love it when they can encourage other liberals to get in their neighbor's face and wreak havoc, but when independents or anyone who's not on the left who doesn't agree with them try to defend, then they taint them to o'clock wackos and lunatics. bob, ial disappointed you would lump the tea party in with a fringe movement? where do you gut your -- gut your stack -- your stat, the beckel institute? >> i made it clear this was the fringe element of the tea party which i've been at the rallies an seen them. >> there's been no violence. >> wait a second. i think this may be the beginning six a -- beginning of a strategy, i certainly hope it is, on the part of the, andure going to hear this more and more, not about violence so much as associated with the republican party, with the tea party movement's fringe as they go into 2010, it's probably too late for that, but 2012, it was the wrong demographic for the republican party to be associated with completely, which is what they are. martha: here's the interesting, though, we've had comments from barbara boxer, nancy pelosi, sort of reaching out to this group because, listen, everybody running for office sits in the campaign meeting and goes look, we've got the most recent polls showing something like 25 percent of the voters who are polled identify with this group in one way, shape or form, we cannot alienate themselves from them and tim geithner says in some respects this group is on to something. >> we need to look at the positive side of this. we've been through eight years where many people said decifits don't mother. -- don't matter. >> i think they're realizing slowly but surely the group they've tried to originally try to legit maze -- legitimize is real, they were always real but the problem is people running for office are trying to kiss up to the tea parties, but you have media, everyone from newsweek to abc, madow, "the new york times", and you have clinton doing exactly what they did. it's like they all got together at beckel's house two weeks ago and said we're going to paint the tea party to -- >> martha: bob? >> the meeting wasn't that big! but look, the reality here is the democrats are not trying to embrace the tea party people, because you know why, those people are not going to vote 99 percent republican, so as far as we're concerned, they are against us and -- >> martha: but here's the problem. >> 50 percent claim to be independents or democrats. so it is crossing party lines. the bottom line is smaller government and lower taxes. i mean, that's the main thrust of what they're talking about and that's what both sides need to address. >> this is well before the tea party was ever heard from, there was a move for lower deficits and smaller government. that's not isolated the creation of the tea party. >> martha: what about now? >> now the tea party still, if you look at the demographics, even though they're republican-leaning independents and conservative democrats, they're not -- >> martha: i'm sorry, but a lot of the republican leaning independents that you described vote fod barack obama, right? >> and remember martha, how many times -- >> that's simply not the case. >> bob, you know election, elections are won in the middle and there's a considerable amount of independents in this movement. it's the independent vote that propelled barack obama into office. they have broken off in droves. they do not support democrats, and they're ignoring the -- >> can i make one point in from exit polls? it was the republicans that vote fod mccain and mccain and obama were tried in voters 30 or older and seem 18-30 who will not show up in large elections voted 2-1 for barack bin laden and that was the margin. martha: we'll see. any politician ignores this group at their peril and not just this group but what they're mainly standing for which is smaller government and lower tax. it's going to be fascinating to watch. >> don't ignore the issues but you can ignore the group. >> that's a very foolish statement bob and you've made some very foolish statements over the yeersz! >> excuse me! it's not a nice way to start monday off. i don't fool around with people who aren't going to vote. simple as that. andrea -- >> martha: thank you guys! bill: it's 20 minutes before the hour. there's a texas school bringing back rad ling for -- paddling for unruly students and it's setting off a debate. >> this is going to cause the kids to get mad and retaliate. >> if it was my choold, i wouldn't want some other person hitting my child so my idea is if my child is acting up, you call me, i'll spank him. >> i don't need them to discipline mine, i can discipline my own but that may not be the case for everyone. bill: that is in the town of temple, techs and the head of the school board says it's bringing back the practice at the request of parents and since that's been brought in behavior has dramatically improved the at high school, even though one student has been paddled, so the threat looming over the students' head, does it change their behavior? and lawmakers are considering a federal ban on corporal punishment, as we call it, paddling or spanking in some quarters. that's what's happening in texas. we had it growing up. i don't know if it was ever administered to myself. martha: to the school? >> it was always a threat. tough dealings back there thunderstorms. >> -- back there! >> martha: i thought he we -- i thawrt we had that discussion. with you it looks lake they're bringing it back. treasury secretary tim geithner says the financial reform bill is a great idea for americans, not such a new idea but he says it will mean more bailouts for wall street. geithner says they're going to get a deal passed here, he also says you know what the good thing is about the tea party? bill: we'll roll that. also from the war in afghanistan, the u.s. is gearing up for a major battle and it's not a secret, kandahar is in the crosshairs for june, so why today is the taliban ready to talk peace? bill: fox news alert, the news is breaking about financial reform and fox news. canning thursday president obama comes to new york to make a speech about wall street and its next big agenda. it's shaping up to be quite a battle among republicans and democrats. tim geithner was out over the weekend and mitch mcconnell on the republican senate side, dualing back and forth. listen here. >> what we can guarantee, if congress joins with the president in passing the reforms we have proposed, reforms that passed the house, now working their way through the senate and taxpayers will not be on the hook from bailing out the institutions in the future. >> the secretary agrees with me, southwest the "the washington post" and the "wall street journal" that there is a bailout fund in the bill that was reported out of the banking committee, the partisan bill that came out of the party line vote. bill: here we go again and we're wondering whether or not there's middle ground on this and whether or not democrats can get enough republican support to get this through. judd gregg is my guest, and also ranking member on the senate budget committee. thank you for coming here to "america's newsroom". you're going to get a populous tone from this white house, starting in new york, later on thursday as we just announced, maybe other parts of the country, putting the onous on wall street, you know about how americans feel about the big bankers making all the money. is it a good position for republicans to oppose this or how do you help americans understand or your opposition in what the polls suggests about wall street and the big banks? >> unfortunately today in this climate pop populism pays political dividends butin jestly the populist decision cuts off your nose to spite your face and it affects main street and america's ability to create jobs through entrepreneur -- entrepreneurship to get the capitol to do. if you just overwhelmle financial sector with new regulations and massive expansion in the government and dampen down the atmosphere where people are willing to invest here in the united states and money moves overseas instead of staying here and the cred -- in the credit accounts you're going to undermine the quality and energy over our economy and thus reduce jobs. sure it's a good one-liner but it's not very good for the economy. what we've proposed as republicans is we want a bill that doesn't overreact and push jobs off shore and push the capacity of this country to be competitive offshore, so what we've proposed basically is we sit down and approach this in an orderly and bipartisan way. we've got basic agreement on all the key points here. we've got an agreement on too big to fail essentially, an agreement on derivatives, on documenter -- consumer protection, on the regulatory structure, we've had that pretty much in the works and the white house two weeks ago basically pulled the plug on everything and decided to go off on this populous rant and it's undermined the process a lot and i don't think it's constructive. bill: you said four things that suggests to me you have agreement on that is a good part of the bill. did i hear you correctly? >> we had a working understanding in all four of those areas. none of them are in -- we had a working understanding that was bipartisan on four of those areas and then three weeks ago, there was actually an agreement between senator chambliss and lincoln on the issue of derivatives, the last three weeks ago, the whowg pulled the plug and said we want a political issue. that's not conductive to the effort in my opinion. we should get back in the room and negotiate this, which i understand is happening. bill: over the weekend scott brown, the republican out of massachusetts, said he'd filibuster this. would you? would you join him in that? >> actually, right now what the republicans have said, what we've said on our side of the aisle is we're not going to vote to proceed to this bill until there's an understanding we're going to be in the room to continue the negotiations, we're not going to allow this to go forward as a one-party bill, wrapped in a populous vote. bill: judd gregg, thank you for coming in, it's a fascinating development and we'll watch it as it goes throughout the week here. judd gregg from his home state today. >> my pleasure. martha: we all a remember, 168 people were killed 15 years ago when a bomb ripped through the murrah federal building in oklahoma city. we're going to take you to the amazing memorial scene there that will be commemorating the lives of those lost. it gets underway a little while from now and we will honor those who died. bill: another fox news alert, news breaking in baghdad, the iraqi prime minister is now saying that two leaders of al-qaeda have been killed by u.s. and iraqi forces in iraq. the u.s. military for its part has not confirmed this, but word out of baghdad, the iraqi prime minister indicating that iraqi forces killed two leading terrorists in rock. -- in iraq. we're running this over with baghdad anding with the u.s. military to see if they confirm it but for the moment it comes from the iraqi government and if true is deals a major blow to the struggles that al-qaeda has tried to lead in that country. this could be yet another setback for that terrorist group. more when we get this it -- when we get it here. martha: we are moments away on monday morning on a start for the ceremony that remembers the victims from the oklahoma city bombing. fifteen years ago today, hard to believe it was that long ago, tim thee mcvey deny nated a truck filled with explosives outside the alfred murrah building and who can forget the images of the children being carried out and 19 of the victims were children, it was a day care center in that building and the victims and sur rifes are there to remember the deadliest attacks on u.s. soil to that point. kris gutierrez is live at the memorial in oklahoma city. what can we expect today as part of this ceremony? >> we know the department of homeland security secretary janet napolitano and brad henry will be here and the mayor of oklahoma city will be here to talk about how this city and state have moved on collective together, as well as our nation. but i want you to remember, 168 people, as you mentioned, martha, were trangcle killed, their ages ranged from three-months old to 73 years old, you mentioned 19 kids under the age of five were among the dead, they were playing in a dare care -- day care center on the second floor of the murrah building and every year following that attack on this date the family and friends of those killed, they come here to remember and reflect, along with complete strangers. in fact just last week, we had the opportunity to visit with jamie cubberdale, we folded her to a cemetary where her two youngest grandchildren were laid to rest in 1995, back then she had full custody of those boys, aaron was five years old, his little bon, elija hsm was two years old, they were among the 19 killed, they were in that day care center, and since that time, their grandmother tells me she has never and will never be the same. listen here. >> i don't get as close to people as i used to. i don't trust people as much as i used to. >> she mentioned that it's a pain that you feel that she just can't describe. she's here with an estimated 2000 other people here in the greater oklahoma area to remember and reflect exactly what happened here in the national memorial grounds, and coming up at 9:02 local time, those in attendance will observe 168 seconds of silence to remember those who were tragically killed. martha. martha: i'm struck by other quote, you know, because that's what tim thee mcvey robbed her -- mcvey robbed her family of, the ability to trust and get close to people for that woman and i would imagine that the trauma that was brought upon all of these families has manifested itself in so many ways. we're looking at the memorial there which is such a stunning sight, and they took some time figuring out how they were going to put that together and the best way to sort of represent these lives was, and i know you've been there, bill, and it's a very moving memorial. >> it is so poignant and remarkable in how it serves in life the loss of the 168 that day. people from all over the world who have been victims of terrorist attacks have gone to oklahoma city and looked at oklahoma city's projects and thought how did you do this and where did you find the symbolism, where did you come up with this idea, how can we incorporate this idea into our own memorials. it is a remarkable place. if you've not had the opportunity, you need to go there, it is well worth the time. martha: we're going to hear this morning from a few people but one of them is charie hanger and i want to remind you about his story, because ef the highway trooper who brought in tim thee mcvey that day and -- tim thee mcvey that vay, and there was discussion it might have been an international terrorist group and meanwhile there was timothy mcveigh driving his beat-up car on north i35 and all of the troopers in the area of course were alerted to be on the lookout for whoever might have done this and they were trying to get away, and this highway trooper charlie hanger, he noticed a car that drove by him, a 1977 mercury grand marquis, and the yellow car was lacking a license plate, as he pulled ul alongside he got out and reported that timothy mcveigh got out of that car and came towards him and hanger wanted to know why mcvey had no license plate and he explained he just bought the car and was waiting for the plates to come in on it and the highway trooper noticed a bum j and said what is that, and he said it's a gun, i'm licensed to carry a gun, and it led him to suspicions and brought mcvey in and what unfolded was everyone's understanding of what happened and what the motivation for all this was. but it's striking, you look at these people and when we think back on that day, it comes ruing back. imagine what it's like for these people, who deal with that every day. bill: they are so strong, and in the way they live their lives right now. standing in front of that reflecting pool, at one end is the tower that said # on 1:00, at the other end, it says 9:03 and in between the two minutes, 9:01 and 9:03, as you look into it, it's supposed to reflect you and your own life, and knowing that whoever could have been in that building that day could have been a victim to the oklahoma city bombing that day, 15 years ago, at that hour. behind this, martha, you see in the field, those are chairs that are set up for the victims, depending upon what floor they were on, the day they died and there are large chairs for the adults and smaller chairs for the children who were in the day care center. martha: there were 16 # of them and are represented by the chairs. it points out, your mind goes immediately to the little ones who would be teenagers today. it's 16 years ago, timothy mcveigh robbed all of them of their childhood and their ability to grow up with their families and that is something that obviously can never be replaced for those families, and in later years, he was very braidsen about saying it didn't matter to him at all that he had taken the life of children, and of mothers 57bd fathers, that -- and father, that was inconsequential that he in his twisted mind wanted to achieve there. but these are the survivors, these are the ones who were left with that memory of what he did to that community and to our country on that day. bill: for the 15th year, we have now reached the moment in oklahoma city. >> we come here to remember those who were killed, those who survived, and, those changed forever. may all who leave here, know the impact of violence, may the memorial offer comfort, strength, peace, hope, and, serenity. please join me in 168 seconds, of silence. >> it is springtime in oklahoma city and the birds in the background and we remember the 168 who were killed that day, more than 600 who were injured, i mentioned timothy mcveigh. and, executed in 2001. and, in indiana, terry nichols, serving multiple life sentences, at a federal prison in colorado. for those who have gathered at the memorial in oklahoma city today they think about those they have lost and also think about those who are still with them. and, they celebrate life and appropriately so on this day, 15 years removed from the tragedy and the terrorist attack. in oklahoma city. right now, 8 minutes past the hour. as we continue now. martha: this breaking news, on this morning, we can now report the iraqi prime minister nouriel al-maliki is saying that he believes that two of al qaeda's leaders, al qaeda in iraq and you know this face, we have reported on him many times, this is the face of al-masri, and, abu ayyub al-masri, the leader of al qaeda in iraq and the reporting is from the prime minister, that he is one of two top al qaeda leaders killed by iraqi forces. according to some sorts with the help of american intelligence and there are reports out there, we have not independently confirmed, that al-masri is one of these two men, who have been killed, reportedly, by -- you know, according to these statements by the prime minister. and we are looking to nail that down, but i can tell you that that is what the iraqi prime minister is telling reporters this morning. that al-masri is among them and would be a huge development in the fight against al qaeda in iraq, we'll continue to follow all of these developments. and, we'll let you know what we can and cannot confirm in that story. martha: a volcano in iceland literally paralyzed travel plans for nearly 7 million people. worldwide. who would have expected this coming our way, right? look at the black smoke pouring across the skies, at the height at which planes fly and that has been one of the big problems and with chaos comes criticism, the international air transport association calling it a, quote lack of leadership and governments mishand the crisis and with that and a lot of breaking news at 10:00 a.m. eastern time, ten after, i'm martha maccallum. bill: and i'm bill hemmer, what a story it was and you thought it would bloep blow out of here airports affected and worse than 9/11 and setting up camps at airports across the globe and rome, athens, madrid are up and running, that is the good news. martha: good news. and rick leventhal is at jfk airport, where a lot of people are on the other side of this sit and wait situation, the international flights are still grounded there. what is this scene like this. >> reporter: some of these international terminals are like ghost towns including terminal 4, behind us. j.f.k. reports there are a few hundred passengers stranded at the airport. and we know the american red cross brought in 400 cots and 800 blankets and we are not sure how many people spent the night there but we were told most, if not all of the airport hotels at j.f.k. are sold out. and we know there are at least 50 people, who are spending the night at newark airport, waiting for flights out and are not getting answers and are not getting any seats on flights, because nearly 90% of flights scheduled between the u.s. and europe have been cancelled. martha: i mean, it is extraordinary. how are these stranded passengers, are they -- most are able to call in and find out their flight was cancelled? how good is the communication and how are they handles this? >> reporter: well, we haven't heard any come plaplaints and t are obviously frustrated, and they are not spending as much money as they might otherwise because they're at the tail end of the vacations and are pretty ouch out of cash and add to that the fact there are 12,000 european passengers who were supposed to come to new york this past weekend and cancelled their flights and a lot of hotels and restaurants and bars are bemoaning the fact tourists are not spending the money they normally would and we were told sea world in orlando is offering a free day's admission to any stranded european passengers, just show a ticket and back to the u.k., or europe, dated between april 14 and april 21 and at least they can spend a free day at sea world, martha. martha: it will be interesting to see when the test flights go up and, how people feel about that. you'll be a guinea pig, if you are the first one to fly through there. >> reporter: but they've had empty planes, at least 30 test flights over the weekend and the airlines complain, they say those flights were fine and want these restrictions lifted so they can move passengers. martha: rick, thanks so much, rick leventhal at j.f.k. with an update on all of that. bill: over the weekend, bill clinton talked again, about november elections and who will control congress. even as the new poll indicates a huge majority of americans are frustrated with the current leadership in d.c. and could that tip the balance, come november? closer look at that. martha: and the parents of this teen, are now suing his school for taking this picture. someone took a picture of your child sleeping in the bed, do they have a strong case? we'll 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(announcer) nothing works stronger, faster, or longer to relieve your worst allergy symptoms, including congestion, without drowsiness. get claritin-d at the pharmacy counter. live claritin clear. bill: there is a new poll that underscores the frustration many americans feel toward the federal government, a pew research survey finding only 22% of americans trust our leaders in washington. to solve this nation's problems. that puts almost 80% of the people on the other side of the equation. that is the highest level of distress in washington -- d distrust in washington, in almost 50 years and they didn't believe the numbers, right? and they went back and asked three followups to make sure the numbers were verified. martha: no, really, i meant it. i really am not happy. bill: stop calling. martha: it is me again, i'm serious, on that note despite the negative sentiments in the poll which is an incredible number. former president bill clinton doesn't see republicans handily beating his party in the midterm election. listen to this: >> i don't think they will in either house, if history is a guide they should make gains but i don't expect them to win either house, no. martha: a reasonable assessment? or is he viewing the situation through rose-colored glasses? joining us this is e professor himself, larry sabato, director of the center for politics, good to see you, good morning to you. >> good morning. martha: what do you think bill clinton is up to? you know, is that what he believes? do you think? >> no. i think that is what he is expected to say, obviously as the leader of the democratic party and you asked, which it was, rose colored glasses, look with all due respect, bill clinton, when he was president, facing his first midterm, was probably the last person in the country to know, even on election night, that republicans were taking control of both houses of congress. now, that is not to say it will happen again in november, i think inevitably, though, there will be very large republican gains. exactly how large, you know, we have to wait a while to determine it. but it is clear what the trend is and i think the pew poll underlines what the trend is. martha: yes, you know, we talked with bob beckel and anderson charles about this earlier and bob said, you know, pay attention to the issues, which, i was bringing up, as lower taxes and smaller government, and i mean, that seems to be key, across the board in those polls in terms of what is ticking people off and he said, ignore the group, meaning the tea party and pay attention to the issues. for these candidates, what do you think about that? >> i think he's absolutely right. look, if trust in government is below watergate levels, you know, there is a problem. and, there are so many factors involved, obama himself, the health care reform, which is -- has gone over like a lead balloon with millions and millions of people, the bailouts of the banks and wall street. the rotten economy, the ever increasing growth of the national debt. the spending, the taxes. i mean, i don't know how much time we have. i could give you another 50 factors, but that is the whole point, when you have nearly 80% of the people this unhappy with government there has to be a lot of reasons why. martha: and you'll see comments on both parties, being put under pressure by this, i would assume. >> sure. look, if i were an incumbent running for re-election these numbers would terrify me. now, let's remember, most incumbents are democrats, that is why they are in disproportionate trouble and are running things when people are unhappy but i noticed in a lot of republican primaries, incumbents who ought to be safe aren't safe and i think we are seeing it crop up in g.o.p. primaries as well as the general election. martha: all right, larry, thanks, we'll save the bill clinton sound bite and save yours, too. and we'll see who was right. thank you, sir, always good to have you. >> thank you, martha. bill: breaking news on the flight from the u.k., details on that after the break and a world championship boxer taken to jail accused of killing his wife. this morning, the boxer is dead, as well. what happened here? >> get ready to fork over your hard earned cash. bill: if you have any left over... martha: more money, and you -- he may have set his sights, this times, perhaps on the middle class. we'll tell you what we mean by that, when we come back. 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bill: watch your wallet, rich edson out of d.c. today. thank you, martha, what is coming up. martha: a big development out of afghanistan, potentially, the taliban hunkering down for a massive offensive. that is expected to come in the area of of kandahar. and, that as we have this report, the head of the taliban will talk to the united states. but there are other reports that show the taliban may be waiting this out and, does it add up to a big change in what is going on in afghanistan? it is important to us and our troops, we'll tell you all about it, coming up. bill: breaking news out of iraq. it has been sometime since we have been able to report this, one of the leaders of al qaeda in iraq has been confirmed dead. on behalf of the iraqi government and the u.s. military. this is abu ayyub al-masri, one of the men believed to be the founder of al qaeda in iraq and abu al-baghdadi, a local al qaeda leader in iraq has also been killed and there was a statement out by the u.s. military and they were taken out southwest of tikrit, and it is the former home town of the former iraqi leader saddam hussein and with me is spyder marks, and the managing editor of ergo.net and it is sometime since we reported this and they have two of them? >> i know, that is a big deal and clearly, bill, the objective is not now to high-five and congratulate each other. what that really means is there is great cooperation, and at the start to the finish. of between the u.s. forces, coalition forces and the iraqi forces. details need to be determined, who actually pulled the trigger and where did the intelligence come from and how did it work together and this is a tremendous accomplishment. bill: we'll go back to their faces, al-masri and al-baghdadi and we were familiar with al-masri, were you familiar with both. >> al-baghdadi was not on my scope but, clearly, he is. al-masri, he a a-- this is a big get for the coalition forces and the confidence builder in terms of governance as well it will have a ripple effect throughout governance and security. bill: you think so, that big of a deal on behalf of u.s. an iraqi forces working together. >> it really is, and, first of all, these are fleeting targets, there is a lot of protection, internal security, external security, how you break through that it really speaks to trade craft, precise targeting, confidence in terms of the sources that are out there. and, in terms of how you work together, and share that intelligence. and, then, putting the operation together. this is no quick strike. this took time and effort. bill: and it is a reminder al qaeda is still active in iraq. we reported on -- almost daily, in 2005, and 2006. 2007, but in recent months, the group really escaped the headlines. quickly, i wanted to move you to afghanistan. for a moment here. there was a headline that came out on the weekend, that suggested taliban leadership, is ready to talk peace. now, is that true? or what is going on here? >> bill, this is a single report. you know, if mullah omar wants to come forward and talk about peace -- and clearly the way it was crafted, he's tired and he and the organization, taliban is tired in terms of trying to impose governance in afghanistan and what they want is, sharia law, foreigners gone and security and, the problem is that sharia law and its impact on the afghan people, it is pervasive and governs all aspects of living from business to family life, et cetera and that is irreconcilable with a foreign presence trying to eliminate that and that is the rub, right now... bill: but is it -- what does it -- publicly we put out the message we're going into kandahar in june and that word is out there for weeks. >> right. bill: is that part of this? >> well, you know, i don't know, necessarily. i mean, what happened in marjah, can really be an insight into what can happen in kandahar and deliberate and protection of the population and precise targeting and this was a very deliberate measure and offensive and we can expect the same in kandahar. what needs to happen is the report on mullah omar and his desires need to be confirmed. remember this is one report and we have breathe through our nose to figure this one out. bill: thank you, on both topics, breaking news out of iraq and don't mean to keep going back and forth between the wars but they are connected. the two al qaeda leaders in iraq have been taken out, thank you for your time there in washington. >> thanks, bill. bill: martha? martha: there are fraud charges we have been hearing about for a wall street giant. a little company called goldman sachs, folks and is sending shockwaves through the financial world today. on friday the sec, which is the securities and exchange commission, they do these kinds of investigation, accused goldman sachs of selling mortgage backed securities that they knew would fail. and, betting against them to make money on that and the investment firm is denying any wrongdoing in this case. but, now, two members of congress, the german government, and also the british prime minister are calling for new investigations into what role goldman sachs played in the mortgage melt down. wendell goler is looking into this for us at the white house with more. wendell, you know, give us some of the details and background on the case. >> reporter: the sec says that in 2007, a hedge fund manager named john paulson paid goldman sachs $15 million to create a fund people could invest in and made up of bonds backed mostly by subprime mortgages from florida, arizona, california, and places that were experiencing huge housing booms that paulson believed would go bust. now, bad as that sounds, that is not illegal. that is just a risky investment and the sec says, what was illegal is that goldman told investors that the bonds were chosen by a third-party. aca management and didn't reveal that paulson had given the selection criteria. now, goldman says it didn't have to reveal paulson's involvement, because, he fully disclosed the investments and paulson was known to be a skeptic of the housing boom, and reveal his involvement might have scared off investors, a lot of which were european banks which explains why prime minister gordon brown is involved. martha? martha: how did paulson, this paulson, and, goldman sachs, make their money on this deal? what is the reporting on that? >> reporter: both paulson and goldman bought something called credit default swaps which were essentially bets that the fund that goldman set up would go bust and when it did go bust, both paulson and goldman made billions and the sec says that goldman should have also told investors that it was betting against its own fund. goldman says that that one have had any impact because the investors believed that u.s. housing prices would continue to rise, so fast, that the subprime mortgage defaults wouldn't have any impact. the sec believes that other investment companies may have had -- done the same kind of thing, and is looking into similar deals and democrats believe that the goldman case makes their case for financial regulatory reform, the president will travel to wall street on thursday, to deliver a speech about regulatory reform. >> and some are questioning the timing of all of that, in any event it works quite well. to help make their argument, as he heads to wall street. later this week, wendell, thank you very much. wendell goler at the white house. bill: they captured and held terrorist accusing of hanging american contractors from a bridge in iraq. and now three navy s.e.a.l.s are on trial for mistreating them in custody and has many outraged. the latest developments on what is happening with them today. martha: and new question about what some are calling a home invasion by school administrators. how they are accused of keeping tabs on their students. like this little guy sleeping in his bed? 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should they be? should your boss be able to look at them? the u.s. supreme court is now going to make a decision on that. and the debate, coming up. bill: jane and jon, thanks, see you in 1 minutes, two u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s accused in the alleged mistreatment of a terror suspect had the final hearings today and jonathan keith and you'll hoe huertas are accused of impeding the investigation of a third navy s.e.a.l., matthew mccabe accused of punching an iraqi detainee in the face and they captured the terrorist leader, a suspect in the mutilation of four contractors in fallujah back in 2004 and numerous charges against them have been dropped so far and the trial will be held in camp victory in iraq in a few weeks' time. martha? martha: a pennsylvania school sued for cyber spying on their students. have you heard about this? they are admitting that their laptop tracking program recovered a, quote, substantial number, actually of web cam photos of their students, which is odd and raised a lot of question be a administrators say they'll start notifying the parents of children who were photographed like this boy. blake gibsons, sound asleep, at least, his parents would be happy to see he was actually sleeping when he said he was and they are not happy folks, they initiated a lawsuit, the picture was taken by a web cam imbedded in the computers they issued to the students and, wendy, welcome, it is good to have you with us today. >> good morning. martha: when i heard about this, i thought, everybody -- you know, it makes sense they have the web cam and if it is lost or stolen they can figure out where it is and, that makes sense and turn it off and if it is in your room to maintain your privacy and it is rather odd. some of these pictures they have. and then you hear one of the administrators, of this, technology at the school, said something like, oh, reportedly, like, it is watching a soap opera, seeing the pictures. this is weird. >> i have to agree, that this is weert weird and writing that e-mail will not help the lawsuit and clearly, the kids knew that they were getting these laptops as a kind of loaner from the school for educational purposes and in exchanges for taking them home they were told, that the web-cam might monitor them, if there were reason to suspect the laptop might be stolen or missing and it is not like they didn't get it and yes. there are privacy rights at stake, important constitutional privacy rights and some of the ones we hold most dear in terms of the home and our bedroom. but, if you give up your privacy rights you cannot complain about it, much less file a lawsuit, and the real question is, what did the contract say and i think for the kids it is clear, they knew what they were getting into and one of the harrer -- harder issue is did the parents give up their rights and no, that is a different interest and the students will be found liable, i think but, you see a picture of a kid in his bed, pajamas, i wear mine from the waist down on the show sometimes, you know? it is... martha: we heard that about you, wendy! and, that is why we keep it from the waist up! and, the sort of basic legal agreement between the student who has the computer, and the school. okay? but, what i want to know is, what is in these photos? is that -- that is creepy, how tight the shot is, the boy sleeping in his bed and that to me is what it will come down to. was there any ulterior motive and something odd going on with the camera or were they taking pictures and logging them and maintaining them for any reason other than the purpose which was to have security and keep track of the laptops. >> that is exactly right. it is about the contract and if i allow you to take my bicycle for a ride you cannot take my car. it is that simple and if the kids agreed to have their privacy invaded, in a certain way for a certain reason, and, they were in fact monitored for other reasons, that is actionable and my point about the pajamas, is even if it is actionable the question is, what harm was done, if you just see the boy in bed and i think the school may lose but i don't know if they'll lose that much money. nonetheless, keep this in mind. it is a new technology and way of teaching. schools want kids to take the laptops home so tay they can become smarter and be good at technology and as a parent it is not a bad idea to have a web cam and if harm is happening, guess what will file a lawsuit if the kid is hurt because there is not the supervisory web cam technology in place and you don't want gratuitous technology rights but you want to... martha: if they turn on the camera on my daughter's laptop, and it is stolen and find out, that is not the kid who is supposed to have it, that is one thing -- >> right. they have a right to do. martha: but if it is like this little boy, we'll be creeped out and i'll talk to the school, you can bet on it. >> if there are pictures about kids without their clothes on or anything private... martha: exactly, indeed. >> we haven't heard that yet. martha: always good to see you, do you have your pajamas on today. >> not today! martha: just tell me! thank you, wendy. take care, we'll see you soon. bill: 13 minutes before the hour, convicted sex offender john albert gardener, pleading guilty to raping an murdering two teenagers in california and we're learning the words from one of the fathers of the victims, broke the case, he admitted dragging chelsea king to a remote area where he raped and strangled and buried her body and is pleading guilty to stacking and raping and killing amber dubois, here is gardener in court on friday: >>... charges you with -- count three charges you with the crime on or about february 13, 2009 you did unlawfulfy murder amber d, a human being in violation of penal code 1887-a, what is your plea. >> guilty. >> as part of the plea deal, he admitting he attempted a rape of another female jogger last year in san diego and the jogger, woman managed to escape. martha: let's not forget he never have been on the street. he was a convicted pedophile, who served what many people think is a short sentence, a tragic, tragic end for those two families. and our hearts go out to them. and now this story for you. with regards to toyota, folks. the hammer is falling on them after the slow reaction to the accelerator issue, that prompted major recall that seems to be going on and on and on and now another half million vehicles, are subject to yet another recall. we're finding out. bill: and, a dramatic political maneuver by florida's governor charlie crist in the works, could he think of changing political parties? 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