frustrating. these trials should have been public all along, but that -- now that they are going to be public doesn't mean this is can turn into a show trial. i point out that, one, president clinton's counsel was allowed to be present, was allowed to question people back during the clinton proceedings and actually was allowed to call 15 witnesses to the stand and actually to ask questions. so i don't think, we still are not seeing the minority rights that we should, and we still aren't seeing the president get the representation that he should have. and the media and the democrats keep going, you know, they want to talk substance, substance, substance and not process, but process matters here, due process matters. this is about the constitution. and this is -- eric: isn't that the, excuse me for interrupting, but isn't that a the substance of the allegations that the democrats have against the president, saying that he broke the law in he, of course, saying that it's not true, or there's no quid pro