said it needs some improvement. and it appears that enhancing obamacare, the affordable care act, with an option to end roll is still the most -- enroll is still the most viable option currently on the table. >> i think in a practical sense, that's very true. passing some kind of public option, it would be much easier than passing full scale medicare for all. and i think as buttigieg laid out, it's not just the costs, it's also the choice element of a medicare for all plan. a lot of democrats are leaning into, like butte judge, are leaning into the -- buttigieg that if you want private health insurance under their plan, you'd still be able to keep it versus in full blown medicare for all, your only option is the medicare plan. arthel: now almost three years in, obamacare is still in place, the individual mandate has been removed. that said, of the democratic candidates -- wrapping this up -- doesn't this work more in joe biden's favor who says don't