why you seek whistleblower status it protects you against retaliation. he has tried to retaliate against the whistleblower to reveal his or her identity, say things about their patriotism. i suspect this means more people will seek those protections as they speak out against the president. arthel: it is more about protection, doesn't point to anything more on anyone's part. >> what we have seen, the person who knows about the same incident in the same knowledge from the first advantage point. arthel: what is your take on direct information versus secondhand information? >> that may have been an issue three or four days ago when the white house released the partial transcript. it is notable they haven't given us the word for word transcript. that a summary corroborated everything the first whistleblower said. when we talk about process point that is what defenders of the president want to do.