that i think i has beset the administration for the last kim months. the administration from what i understand is somewhat split. some really believe that we need to call out the chinese, that we need to intervene, we need to take a tougher stance on this crackdown that we're seeing, not only in hong kong, but also in the western province of china where there are millions of muslims that are being interned, really start to crack down on the chinese human rights violations. there are others that say we can't rock the boat. we have this sensitive trade deal going on and we really can't muddy the waters. i think that what we need to do is go the way of reagan, call out the chinese, and stick to our guns on the trade talks. mike: what more do you think the united states can do to help those protesters in hong kong who seem to be appealing for help? >> well, first of all, i think we need to be unequivocal about the challenges that we see