told to get out. fox news is learning that some say they will not go until police are ready to make arrests. mike tobin is joining us live from madison. >> gregg, let's take a look and give you a live look. you have the police out in front of the capital. they haven't closed the capital yet. they are allowing a small trickle of demonstrators inside the facility to spin the numbers inside. there are no clashes with police. they are quite friendly with the demonstrators. you eastbound see a lot of people are still intent on getting inside, making sure there is a lot of people and putting pressure on the governor until the very last minute. they are not planning to go easily. there have been a number of seminars springing up in the capital and around the area about civil disobedience, they claim it's peaceful disobedience the aclu have been handing out flyers like this. you have priests and rabbis inside there. a lot of people say they won't go willingly but the capital police this building has to be closed for cleaning. the demonstrators out here it's all about silencing their voice. >> gregg: speaking of sigh lechbs, i don't know how you did it. there was so much noise and so many protestors and screaming and surrounding you as you were trying to work your way through the crowd. today, it seems rather quiet by comparison. what is going on? >> it's a little more quiet. i was getting heckled here a second ago. it happens with pretty much live shot. it's part of what they are doing. there is no way to avoid it when they are out here. we're trying to get the job done and they want to silence or be disruptive. >> gregg: mike tobin, live at the scene. thanks very much. >> the arm wrestling in wisconsin between the unions and governor as dozens of other states face the other dilemma. should other governors follow scott walker's lead. coming up a fair and balanced debate on that. >> major developments in libya, the u.s. backing the rebels, secretary of state hillary clinton says the obama administration is reaching out to libyan opposition groups. this as the battle for control of the country enters a critical stage, armed rebels now control a city and they are closing on the capital of tripoli which is only about 30 miles away. muammar khadafy is vowing to hold on to power. david? >> it's second largest city about one million residents, tonight that is a city that, indeed, very much on edge. earlier today, here in been georgia si a mass evacuation did -- been georgia i said. most of them coming from the u.k. they were taken to a port here. they boarded a british ship, the hms cumber land. they are on their way to the island of malta. royal marines were there much to their surprise but a number of libyan coastguard officers that have switched sides. i talked to one of the officers he says, i'm quoting, he is with the people and want to make sure that the people being evacuated get home safely. in another development, this is eastern libya is largely liberated and forth continue to make forces to the west of the capital of tripoli. this can't be overstated. they now control a city and between tripoli, there are now six khadafy controlled check points. they have six khadafy controlled check points between here and the capital. that is anti-khadafy forces that is control there. there is concern that he is going to make a push to recapture that city. this is the largest city that has been taken control of by anti-khadafy sources only 30 miles from the capital. and in benghazi. they held a meeting with journalists they would like to see a formation of a national council to help in transition to a new government here. this is a government that has no experience when it comes to government. there is no parliament, no political parties, there is no labor unions, many people expect the it's going to be a long and bumpy road, transitioning to a new government when and if the khadafy regime does fall. >> heather: thank you very much, david. >> gregg: hillary clinton on her to geneva to strategize with other allies in pleading assistance in opposition groups in libya. the harder line after president obama urged him to step down saying he has lost legitimacy because the deadly crackdown on his people. steve has more on that. secretary clinton offered assistance to the libyan rebels, what will it entail? >> it was a little vague she was boarded a plane to geneva where she will consult with allies. she talked to rvts, we've been reaching out to different libyans that are attempting to organize in the east. we are prepared to offer any kind of assistance to anyone who wishes to have from the united states. she also said that the u.s. is threatening more measures against khadafy's government but gave no details. >> all of this coming, of course as president obama, we reported it for the first time yesterday when it happened, calling on khadafy to step down. he wasn't the first world leader to do that. some were saying it was a little late. when and how did the president make the statement? >> it wasn't on camera and ee it was during a phone call yesterday. he was speaking with german chancellor merkel when he made a comment that was conveyed by the white house press office. the president said when the leader only way to stay in power is violence against its own people he half of the loss gentlemen jit mass. he has to do by leaving now. they expressed their deep concerns over the human violations there in libya. >> heather: tunisia's prime minister stepping down, resigning in the face of renewed violence in the country. at least four people reportedly killed in recent protests. demonstrations in tunisia, they started in december, leaving the former president, and they had been working toward elections this summer but protestors consider him part of old regime. it's not clear who will replace him. >> gregg: a showdown in wisconsin is having repercussions all across the nation as scott walker and public unions duke it out. they are watching the drama play out. they know their bargaining power will surge if scott walker comes on out on top of the unions. but it carries pretty big political risks. let's bring in our political panel, down shone and brad blakeman, deputy assistant to george w. bush. let's put it up on the screen. its poll and it found that 61% of americans oppose what republican governor is doing in trying to ban the collective bargaining for public workers. and yet, even greater number, according to the rasmussen poll, with the awol democratic senators are doing, fleeing the state and shutting down the legislature, is absolutely wrong. where do you see this thing going, doug? >> i think you are asking a great question. the american people want balanced budgets and they think we have been spending too much. they don't think the legislature should be put out of service because democrats or republicans flee the jurisdiction. that being said, they also support collective bargaining for unions and don't want to take away those rights. so public opinion on this subject is mixed and if governor walker is able to succeed in getting most if not all of what he wants, balance the budget and starts reducing the $3.6 billion deficit. >> then the republicans will take great benefit and will move in the same direction. right now a lot of republican governors are watching and waiting to see how this plays out. >> gregg: i want to ask you about what is happening nearby in the state of indiana. the republican governor there, mitch daniels who was on fox news sunday today, already accomplished in his state what scott walker is trying do in wisconsin. he eliminated the collective bargaining for state employees and he promptly turned a $600 million deficit into a $300 million surplus and he did it in a year. so is indiana the template? >> it sure is. governor daniels did it in one of his first acts. he did it by the stroke of his pen when he executed an executive order. we didn't have 12 days of demonstrations on the capital. he did it because indiana finds itself in the same position as many states, on the verge of bankruptcy. when the public employees is paid almost in excess both in salary and benefits, people that pay their salaries there is something that is terribly wrong. it's hard to be a statesman and i think governor walk they are wisconsin is being a statesman because he is doing the right thing by all the people of his state. >> these union rules are not just severe in some circumstances, but my goodness, in a few instances they appear to be insane. front page of the nokt, i want to quote from it. governor walkers legislation would, for instance, eliminate union rules that have made it close children's detention center that hold one youth, that would save about $300,000 a year. that is kind of fiscal irresponsibility that these union rules have a tendency to perpetuate in which american loathe. >> i think you are absolutely right there are excesses and grave excesses given the current collective bargaining agreements and implications. the problem is the american people by and large respect unions, right to organize and bargain collectively even in the public sector but they are coming to see that the excesses that people are demonstrate go for is right or reasonable or responsible. striking a balance which i think most people want to do is very tough when both sides stick to extremes. >> gregg: i want to come back full circle to that gallup poll with doug. if public employees protected by powerful unions have evolved into a privileged group that burdens the taxpayers and the budgets, that is the republican claim, why do -- as you see it on the screen, why do 61% of americans in the poll favor union bargaining rights for public workers? >> i think they certainly favor the right to have unification. i think what they don't understand how powerful unions have become in sending a large portion of their budgets for salaries and budgets that far exceed. >> gregg: 45% more than what people make in the private sector. >> gregg, if you told them that, there would be no hesitation on their part there is something terribly wrong. other governors like him or doing to it save themselves from bankruptcy. how terrible would it be for states to go bankrupt. we have to make sure that budget cuts that are equitable and fair but also to the private sector as well. >> gregg: as always, thanks for being with us. >> and indiana democrats, fleeing the state to avoid a budget vote. mitch daniels speaking out about unions and runaway lawmakers on fox news sunday. >> they ran off to illinois ostensibly over the right to work bill, but as soon as they got what they wanted, they issued an ultimatum from the hot tub with ten more items. indiana democrats, first four items killed is president obama's race to the top agenda. >> heather: joining us is now, indiana state representative and speaker of the indiana house. thanks for joining us? >> great to be here. >> heather: i'm going to follow up with a question from our previous interview that gregg wrapped up. do you think indiana is a template for wisconsin and other states to look at when it comes to collective bargaining? >> i think we're a template in many different areas. we've got a balanced budget. that is one of the things we ran on again this year. we set republicans took control of the house we will would insist with a balanced budget without a tax increase. we are exploring more opportunities for families to have schools of choice, regulating and changing some of our labor laws. it is a template and has been under governor daniels especially with the republicans in control of house and senate there. >> heather: i watched your interview with geraldo last night. some say they should face zbrial time? >> i don't think jail time is appropriate. they need to go back and do their job. they have taken the taxpayer's ball with them and gone home. they have issued an ultimatum of 11 bills they won't return until we say they won't be on the table. we raised two teenage kids we understand how to deal with an ultimatum. first of the bills was signed into the law by governor daniels on friday, we're going balance our budget, we're going to initiate education reform and address the other issues regardless of what the democrats say. >> heather: let's talk specifically about those sticking points. what do the democrats want specifically, and are republicans willing to negotiate perhaps even more important? >> they issued a lot of 11 bills. we're balancing our bankrupt unemployment compensation insurance system. they didn't want that. they didn't want to balance the state budget without a tax increase. we're going to do that. they don't want us to expand charter schools or enter in the choice scholarships that we talked about for inner city families. its long laundry list of labor issues and they are not going to come back unless we take them off the table that we are not going to do. >> 67 members have to be present in indiana house to conduct business. right now the democrats, blocked that from happening. that is where their power lies right now. they come back, the republican majority is obvious. all republicans overreaching and do you think some of the democrats will come home and break with their party? >> they are claiming we're overreaching. we're claiming not listening to them as the claims are in wisconsin. but we've actually had the most bipartisan session so far this year. i broke 194 years of tradition in our state and actually appointed two democrats as committee chairman. we have had many bills that have upload all on bipartisan basis. many with democrats, authors of the bill unheard of in the past but this last week, when the agenda, narrowed to critical issues that were on the calendar, they decided the only way they could get their way was to leave the state. i'd given them the word. when they get back the calendar is going to be exactly as it was the day they left. >> kind of like when you were in elementary school and played kick ball but you took the kick ball and went home. >> absolutely. we've taken on the charter school bill, they gave 93 amendments during the course of that debate. we took 12 of them they were good ideas. the rest were designed to gut it. we are open to discussion. they have put in 140 amendments on our state budget bill proposing to increase spending by nearly half a billion dollars which the state doesn't have. it's just not going to happen, but we'll listen, they can vote on them. if they come back to get the job done. >> heather: thank you very much for joining us. >> gregg: are you planning to buy a home anytime soon? 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>> some of the largest anti-government rallies are happening around the middle east today. first we'll start off in oman, at least a thousand protestors gathered for a second straight day in the main square before police tried to disburse them first with tear gas and batons and then rubber bullets killing two people according to witnesses. hundreds of thousands calling for the ouster of yemen's president as the main opposition party joined forces with the protestors for the first time despite saying not using force, they opened fire on friday killing at least four. 24 people have been killed since protests begin february 17th. meantime, tens of thousands anti-government protestors are streaming to to bahrain's diplomatic area. marchers claiming authorities still hold more than 200 political prisoners. villagers in southern egypt blocked a highway that was burning tires and set fire to three government buildings to protest official corruption. they are calling for a better living conditions and social benefits. anger over widespread corruption drove the uprising that toppled hosni mubarak earlier this month. on saturday a constitutional reform panel wanted to open elections on to competition. >> and the prime minister of tunisia announced his resignation after renewed strait street protests and violence. the interim president appointed a new president. >> with protests spreading all over the arab world. iran presence will go. is there anything the world community can do to stop it? we're joined now by former under secretary of state for democracy. thanks for joining us. here is the first question, is iran the winner here? >> iran is going to try to use it to its advantage. it want to replace regimes across the middle east with the islamist vision of unifying the state. they are coming off the heels of a big win in lebanon where they have succeeded in replaces with a hezbollah backed government. iran is trying to subvert democracy in iraq so they are react to go u.s. policy. and no one noticed in iran that u.s. president obama refused to back democracy protestors, pro democracy protestors in 2009 and this year in a serious way. so iran has seen a lot of green lights to work its will across the region. there are other factors working against them too. >> heather: an article, iran and syria they are emboldened and qatar and oman, yemen are still in play. do you agree with that, first you a have of all and where do the cards fall? >> a huge amount of opportunity and peril is working against this, working on our side. secular democracys, they have turned out in huge numbers to see secular democracy. this large body of people that is $80 billion intelligence community totally missed didn't know existed. luckily they want a democracy. that would be a huge setback, either one or several democracies to iranian interests and huge rebuke to the islamist vision of the world. it would be a setback not just for the iranian regime but the terrorists. it could go either way and u.s. policy should make a difference on half of the pro democracy forces. >> heather: let's talk about that policy. we'll be discussing in the latest rasmussen polls. that the american people they say they don't want to the u.s. to get involved. so what can we do or what should we do? >> we have big interests, as far as not what to do, obama administration approached this has been to do nothing except for a few statements that finally changed yesterday, when president obama for the first time in miss presidency came out clearly on the side of the pro democracy forces, but the message for advancing that, going to the u.n. and essentially useless security council resolution, sending secretary clinton to talk to the fatally flawed human rights council which has libya and others like saudi arabia, cube ya about a and russia on its membership is not going to get anything done. on the other hand, some of the conservatives called for a no-fly zone, that would incur actually all the down side of a military intervention without shifting things in favor of the pro democracy forces. what we ought to do is use what is occasionally called soft power. but we should help the pro democracy forces with strategic communications, that makes a big difference in democracy movements. as the movements switch to governing and try to establish democracy focus our economic aid on making them successful in the future. >> heather: okay, thank you very much. >> gregg: worshipers in new zealand taking prayers for earthquake victims outside doors. churches were hit very hard last week by the massive earthquake there making it dangerous to hold services inside. so congratulations are setting -- congregations are setting up on the lawn. the quake in new zealand could be deadliest ever, it killed 147 people. that number is expected to rise. >> heather: the space shuttle discovery, the crew is hard at work. 12-person crew got to sleep in a little bit after staying up late to install an equipment platform on the space station. in addition, they are transferring supplies. this is last flight for discovery. shut shuttle will retire when it returns to earth in just over a week. >> whel, hollywood is putting on the big show tonight. 83rd annual academy awards is underway right now in los angeles. none other than casey stegall is outside the kodak theater looking really snappy in a sophisticated out fit? >> good to see you, you like my tux. we had to big guns when you are covering the academy awards. this is the 83rd annual academy awards, a little about bit of interesting trivia, a lot of people talking this year, never before in the show's history has there been a male female duo hosting the show. that is what we're going to see, we're talking about anne hathaway and james franco and they are the youngest hosts in oscar history. of course, a lot of people are talking about the ten pictures up for best picture this year. a lot of the oscar buzz surrounding the king's speech, up for 12 golden statutes tonight. yesterday at the independent spirit awards this is what it looked like, many of the nominees graced the carpet there. they are careful not to make predictions but we did catch up with mark ruffalo for his role in the kids are all right which is also a nominee for best picture this year. listen to what he told fox. >> it's a big, big explosions. as an audience member, you know eventually that wears off. people want stories. >> reporter: 6:00 eastern, not far from now is when the rivals will begin. it's hard to see because we're literally packed in here like sardines, media from all over the world on the red carpet. just to my left is where the limousines and they will get out and walk down the red carpet directly behind me and just to my right, is the entrance into the famed kodak theater. a very exciting night. we are going to be here covering it every step of the way. >> all right. nice tux, body, is that a rental? >> no, gregg, i own my own tux. >> gregg: get out of here. that is a nice one. we'll check back with you, thanks so much. >> heather: what you think. >> gregg: i saw king's speech and social network. i want to see true grit. >> heather: i haven't seen any. >> gregg: how can that be. >> heather: labor fights grabbing headlines in wisconsin. we've been telling this in the nation's capital but where do voters stand when it comes to public employee unions. >> gregg: be right back. a un salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™ the morning after the big move starts with back pain... and a choice. take advilow... and maybe up to 4 in a day. or, choose eve and 2 pills for a day free of pain. smarmove. ♪ the one time of year red lobster creates so many irresistible ways to treat yourself to lobster. like our new lobster-and-shrimp trio with a parmesan lobster bake, our decadent lobster lover's dream with both sweet maine and buttery rock lobster tails and eleven more choices, each served with a salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits. come celebrate lobsterfest right now at red lobster. >> heather: wisconsin making headlines for woke with pro union supporters not just in wisconsin but all across the country rallying against governor walker's budget bill. >> gregg: where do voters stand on public employee unions in general. there it is. according to this rasmussen poll roughly half are in favor with a little less than half opposing. with us now, the man behind the is polls, scott rasmussen. so that is pretty close but it's not close when you break it down by political affiliation. what did you find? >> well, democrats overwhelmingly favor public employee unions, republicans are strongly opposed and independents, unaffiliated voters, there slight majority opposed. this partisan breakdown went through all the numbers. republicans backed governor walker and democrats backed them in the dispute and unaffiliated lean in walker's direction. in all the polling data we reviewed and national numbers it's pretty evenly divided split and big partisan divide underneath. >> heather: one of the results, legislators are fleeing the state. how do they feel about that? >> they hate the idea. 67% disprove and 25% of approve of it. but that number is not just a bad news sign for the democratic senators. it's a potential warning for the governor. he has a potential to overreach and to an tirg tag recognize people as well. they are with him on the economic questions and they want to see how it plays out. they don't like gamesmanship on either side. >> gregg: let's move to the middle east, all the people going up against dictators and lots of americans, wait a minute, is this going to be good or bad for the u.s. what did you find? >> most americans are still trying to sort it out. it's a fairly even split, 29% think it's going to be good for the u.s. sla slight sli larger number think it's going to be bad. good news the trend is a little more optimistic. when we first polled about this unrest started in egypt, only 5% of americans any good to come out of it. a lot of people aren't sure and there is concern. >> heather: just discussing this with christian, talking about u.s. policy in the middle east. what did you find in terms of people that we shouldn't even be involved? >> 67% say no way. this number has been constant throughout the uprising. they want to encourage democracy and see good things happen and worried about the impact on gas prices, but they don't want to see the u.s. get involved directly. >> gregg: are they skeptical that democracy in the end emerge there, scott? >> absolutely, 61% say it's not likely, 30% say it is likely. you know, our own revolution turned out okay back in the 18 the century but roughly the same time the french revolution led to napoleon. people are concerned about that in the middle east. >> heather: we're going to switch topics, something fun. big event going on in hollywood. the oscars, so you decided to ask people who they think will win for best actor, right? >> not on who they think, who they think should win, whether the judges will go along with it. since you didn't see the movies. >> heather: i don't know. >> but the best actor award, jeff bridges. that is whiplash for me because john wayne won it when i was teenager in the same movie. natalie portman is roaring away with it. nicole kid man at 14% and annette bening at 10%. >> gregg: i, too, remember the true grit. with glen campbell. it was good one. even better. i'd like to see that one, too. scott rasmussen. brand-new developments happening in the state of wisconsin, a live look inside the state building. protestors are digging in. refusing to leave the building, notwithstanding orders from the state to get out so the capital be cleaned we're living. >> and building that once held prisoners in libya, it now stands abandoned and fox news take a look inside one of khadafy's alleged torture chambers. >> heather: libyan leader muammar khadafy, it seems more uncertain, his past may come back to haunt him. he has been in power for more than four decades, the people of libya are calling him to step down. he is known as iron-fist ruler during his reign has been accused of committing crimes against humanity. our reporter got inside one of his alleged torture chambers and brings an inside look. >> this the police station. >> it use be this area? >> yes. >> that is where people were tortured. >> is it amazing to you to walk into this right now? >> it's amazing to say this was impossible, i never imagined in hundred years it would happen. i feel relief. i'm unhappy about the people that was killed by him. he did a horrible thing. i see what is the meaning to be free. i feel that. >> reporter: you can feel your heartbeat when the door slams, the fear begins to set in and you know what has happened so to so many inside the cell. the slamming of that door is beginning of torture and beatings and finally ending with execution. there is something about feeling this fear. i'm here alone without a cameraman, how bad it must have been for all the people who have given so much to the idea they could live possibly inside a free country. >> heather: remarkable look, leland vittert reporting from libya. >> gregg: minutes from now, officials in madison plan to shut it down so they can clean it up. look out. they may have some trouble breaking out the mops and brooms because all those people defighting it. the developments just unhoelgd folding inside the wisconsin state house. stick around for that. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ as a kid, i couldn't wait to ste on that i what was i thinking? 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hour house! and they have been chanting, let us in, lit us in. now as we crossed the time, where their closing up the continued, a great cry went through the crowd, the volume increased dramatically and inside they have been advised by organizers in the capitol, people advised who plan on resisting to take out the contact lenses, if they are asthmatic, to have their inhalers nearby. they are -- also been advised if they are handcuffed, to make a fist because it panexpands the e of their wrists and will relax, when they relax their wrists and they have been schooled how to resist and what to do if and when arrested, gregg. >> gregg: sounds like they want the usual civil disobedience arrests and the stalemate continues. there is any sign either governor walker will give in, or, the 14 democratic senators that are still on the lam, any idea one of them, plans to come back? >> reporter: you know, it is still -- it looks like a stalemate as far that's leaders go, governor walker was on the air today, and he was talking about the fact that he is still not going to give up any ground and you can still hear the passion in the crowd, heckling is starting again, and, you see in their face, and the passion, they come back to the same thing, every time, i was getting the business from a teacher yesterday, and, he wants to shut down the communication and a teacher gave me the business yesterday and the teacher said she hates me because it makes her feel good. that is the situation out here. >> gregg: i hate to put you in the situation and you are being surround and heckled and there is profanity... >> reporter: that guy just hit me, to let you know. >> but -- [chanting "fox news lies." ]. >> gregg: why such vitriol to the media. >> reporter: i don't know what they intend but by covering up the cameras they want to shut down the communication. they have an idea that it will be a diverse viewpoint and don't want to get it and don't want to hear it ant don't -- don't really take into consideration, my reporting or what i have done to this point. >> gregg: all right. -- mike tobin, tough situation for you to be in and in a few minutes we'll talk more about the utter lack of civility and the harassment of reporters there. and we're going to keep our camera on the state capitol, as apparently, there may be some arrests here, by police. we're going to keep that camera on the monitor, at least half of your television screen will be covering it there. >> heather: maybe the protesters who just hit mike tobin. >> gregg: hard to know what is happening. we'll keep our viewers advised of what is going on there. >> heather: now, other news, fast-moving developments in libya, where the battle for control of the country is moving closer to tripoli. and rebel forces taking over town after town as they move towards the capital and winning control of the strategic town 30 miles away and the victory may be up for grabs and rebels say 2,000 troops loyal to muammar qaddafi have surrounded the city and are bracing for and all-out counterattack. jonathan hunt is streaming live for us, from the tunisia-lybia border with more. jonathan? >> reporter: what happens in the town, 30 miles west of tripoli, zawiya, where it may determine lybia's short-term future, the anti-muammar qaddafi protesters took control of the center of the city. that is significant because that would be one of the first cities in the west of lybia they have really had any serious control of and the eastern cities of benghazi and tabrik, have been far easier for the protesters to take control and now they want to prove they can take and hold a critical city like zawaya, and if the pro muammar qaddafi elements retake the city it will embolden the deranged colonel qaddafi and make him think he can hold on longer with the perpetration of violence is working and he can cling to power for some days or even weeks or perhaps, even months, yet. and, we have seen increasing tensions on the tunisian-lybian border and today a group of men, mob, descended on many of the media thatatgathered at the border and they started kicking and grabbing cameramen and wanted to shut down the media. so that we could not film events going on there. and remember, many people around the border area made a good living from smuggling goods from lybia and don't want that exposed and want the media showing anything, they do not want relationships with lybia damaged. there are thousands flocking across the border every day and we are told 50,000 refugees have arrived in just the last four days and it is an increasingly desperate situation there and tunisian authorities can barely cope and the army is doing its best to maintain order and the red crescent is doing its best to provide shelter, food and water but they can't do it for everybody and, a humanitarian crisis is developing here, very quickly, indeed. the united nations needs to step in, according to the tunisian authorities, they need help and need it now. >> heather: thank you very much, jonathan, a volatile situation. >> gregg: now, hillary clinton is on her way to geneva, to strategize with other united nations allies and pledging american assistance to the opposition groups. in lybia. the harder line coming after president obama urged muammar qaddafi to step down,ing a he has lost legitimacy because of the deadly crack down on his own people. steve centanni joining us live, from washington. steve? >> reporter: gregg as you said the secretary heading to geneva and before she boarded her plane at andrews air force base this morning she offered the latest administration comments on the situation and said, we have been reaching out to many different libyans who are attempting to organize in the east of that country and we'll be ready and prepared to offer any kind of assistance anyone wishes to have from the united states and clinton didn't comment specifically on whether military assistance would be offered and it comes one day after president obama for the first time urged muammar qaddafi to step down, and, in a conversation with angela merckal the president said when a leader's only means of staying in power is to use mass violence against his own people he has lost legitimacy to rule and needs to do what is right for his country, by leaving now. yesterday, to united nations security council unanimously passed a resolution imposing military and financial sanctions on the libyan government and authorizing the international criminal court to investigate. but, as those rebel forces in libya continue to advance, towards tripoli, some members of congress are urging further action and spelling out what more can be done. >> we could impose and could have imposed a no-fly zone and they would have stopped flying if that had been imposed and using air power and helicopters to continue the massacres. >> reporter: john mccain and joe lieberman called on the u.s. to recognize any provisional government formed by these libyan rebels. gregg, back to you. >> gregg: steve centanni live in the capital, thanks very much. >> reporter: you bet. >> heather: looks like house lawmakers could strike a potential short-term deal to avoid a looming government shut down, a stop began measure would hold off the prizes -- stopgap measure would hold off the cites for two weeks and joining us now are elliot engel of new york and republican congresswoman marcia blackburn of tennessee, thanks for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> heather: the first question, goes to both of you. there you are. i will -- toss is first to representative black begburlack the measure make a difference and can an agreement be met or will we extend another two weeks, two weeks from now? >> heather, we hope that a long term agreement can be reached and of course, this is for the cr, the spending that is going on, this year, and you will have the two week stopgap with $4 billion worth of cuts and we hope to get to the full $61 billion in cuts, and, continue to move that spending level back. so we get to the 2008 levels and begin to make cuts from there. >> heather: i do want -- before we toss to it representative engel, for your responsibilities, i want to let our viewers know in the corner of the screen we are keeping a very close eye on the situation going on in wisconsin and the capitol there, all of those protesters being told to clear out. or face arrest. so we're keeping a close eye on the situation and we'll monitor it for you and take threw if anything changes and representative engel talking about the national budget and problems there, do you think two weeks really is enough, $4 billion what is we are talking about for the stopgap budget plan, a far cry from the $61 billion republicans are asking for. representative? can you hear me? we can't hear him... >> two weeks is not enough. >> heather: we got your mic up now. >> okay. >> heather: start your answer over again. >> of course, two weeks is not enough, and, it is better than a government shut down, but there is no way we can keep doing those stopgap measures, we need to get together and we need to come up with a compromise, and, we need to keep the government moving again. what happened last week, in the house, is not the way to use a meat clever to chop at programs that are very important for food safety, for air safety, for security, and things like that and we have silly things like eliminating the president's teleprompter to not having repairs at the white house and these may be feel-good things but they don't really do it. domestic... spending, domestic spending is only 16 percent of the budget and we can't do that. i hope we can get together, because we have to get at the deficit and, both parties are culpable, because they didn't do what they should have done on their watch and i hope we can get together -- >> lehealth, let me make a poin. the reason we're having the debates now is because the democrats did not do a budget for the fiscal year and we have to get through to the first of october and we'll have a debt limit vote in april and the third in the series is a budget vote and going through appropriations this summer and i hope my colleague will join us, the american people have spoken out on this, and they want to see spending brought under control, they want to see these reductions. the government has overspent and we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending and priority problem and it is time for us to be responsible to the taxpayers and this get the spending under control. >> representative engel, i would follow with another question for you. is it about cutting the deficit or cutting spending, is that one and the same or would you argue they are different things? >> it's not one and the same well, have to cut the deficit and marcia knows by cutting spending we can't cut the deficit, we need to talk about revenue and taxes and a long range... >> wait, wait a minute. >> marcia, i didn't interrupt you. please, let me get my thought out. >> i will, because this is serious -- >> it is a serious issue. >> taxes, right now are the lowest level since 1950. 9.2% of all income when you combine federal, local and state taxes. and, we cannot continue to have the bush tax cuts for the rich continue to give big oil and other large, large corporations, all these tax -- >> heather, let me say something. >> we need to do it on the spending side, we need to do it on the spending side and also the taxes side and, look at entitlements down the line and if we are honest with each other, marcia, that what is we have to do. so the nonsense about using a meat cleaver. >> overspending gives you a deficit and adding that up every year gives you this national debt and when the democrats took control of the house, our debt wag $8.6 trillion and now is over $146 trillion, and spending is out of control and has to be brought back under control. and, we need to be working together, to address this, in the long term and make certain we put everything on the table, have an adult conversation -- >> i agree. >> and be fair to future generations. >> i agree, but in fairness, when bill clinton left office we had a surplus... >> heather: representative, engel i do -- i do have to wrap you both up now. >> spook speaking of getting un control. >> representatives, thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. >> gregg: audio problems, apparently they couldn't hear. fox extreme weather center, wintry weather making it hard to get around northern arizona, several inches falling in sedona, usually known tor dry desert conditions and, drivers should take it slow and prepare for road closures, meteorologist maria me me lean know. >> there is snow across parts of northern new mexico and, ahead of the storm system we are seeing thunderstorms firing up across parts of tennessee and kentucky and storms producing concerns for severe weather, and a tornado watch has been issued across parts of northern oklahoma and southeastern kansas and that is an area where we'll be watching over the next several hours because conditions are favorable for tornados to form, and, the tornado watch is good until 9:00 p.m. central time and just to the north of that, a cluster of storms moving through, a severe thunderstorm watch in effect until 9:00 p.m., central time and we're going to continue to see the storms going up east and the storm moves east and large hail and strong winds and isolated tornadoes across northern arkansas, parts of western kentucky throughout the overnight hours and aside from severe weather we'll see quite a bit of rain out of the storm, generally 1-2 inches across pennsylvania and ohio and kentucky and flood advisories have been posted, and the ground is already saturated across the area, gregg and we have the storm that moved through thursday night, the same area, severe weather and, now again seeing the same thing. >> gregg: maria, thanks. >> heather: hefty bonuses are back in a big way on wall street. that's right, many of the folks who were bailed out are living large and how it could impact you. >> gregg: we're keeping an eye on what it is happening, live pictures inside the state capitol, madison, wisconsin, protesters are not leaving and many of them say they won't leave until they are handcuffed and taken out. physically. by police. the show down, in madison, coming up. you might also want to try lifting one of these. a unique sea salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™ missing something? 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associated press, also, our photographer on the scene, saying that they are seeing some people leave, but, many more still staying, pro union demonstrators, they have been camped out inside and outside of the building, for about two weeks now, and protesting wisconsin governor walker's budget proposals and calls for health and pension concessions from the unions and takes aim at bargaining rights. we'll continue to keep you updated. ♪ >> gregg: anti-government forces are gaining more control in lybia and today massive protests are spilling over into amman, bahrain and several other middle east countries, julie bandaras joins us live with the latest developments. >> julie: hi, gregg, that's right, some of the largest anti-government rallies to date are happening around the middle east, on this sunday. in amman a thousands protesters gathered for a second day before police tried to disperse team using tear gas and batons, killing two people with them according to witnesses on the ground. and tens of thousands it hit the streets, calling for the ouster of president saleh as the main opposition parties joined forces with demonstrators for the first time today. and, despite saying they would not use force security forces opened fire on friday, killing four people and 24 have been killed since protests began on february 17th. and, anti-government protesters are streaming again to bahrain, as demonstration against the kingdom's ruler show no signs of easing and marchers claim, 100 were released but more are still being hold and, southern egypt, blocking a highway with burning tires and even setting fire to three government buildings, on sunday. to protest official corruption, calling for better living conditions and social benefits. and, on saturday, a constitutional reform panel by the way recommended opening egypt's presidential election to competition and imposing a two-year limit on presidents, a first there and, the prime minister of tunisia announced his resignation today after renewed street protesters, and, they reelected a new prime minister within a few hours. >> gregg: thanks, julie. >> heather: the wisconsin budget battle taking to the airways in a big way, richard trumka speaking out against governor walker's crack down on unions and with walker landing some shots of his own, peter doocy has the star in washington. >> reporter: scott walker will not back down. that is what he said from the governor's mansion in madison where he stayed this weekend instead of attending the national governor's association meeting in d.c. governor walker said that he doesn't wants to lay off any state workers, and, if those senators who have gone awol feel the same way, they should come back to work, asap and he said he doesn't plan on agreeing to any deal unless it includes the labor unions giving up their collective bargaining rights, because he says that is what is best for the badger state. >> this is our moment in wisconsin's history and one of those where, for year after year of the year, not just the last governor but governors before, legislatures before have kicked the can and taken one-time fixes to push the budget problems into the future and we can't do that. we are broke. like nearly every other state across the country. >> the head of the largest federation of unions, afl/cio president richard trumka disagrees, saying he thinks the union workers in wisconsin should be protected and paid more and added he doesn't think walker handled the crisis very well. >> the polls show that every -- wisconsin, vast majority of the people think the governor has overreached, and, his popularity has gone down, and they are saying to him, sit down and negotiate, don't do what you have been doing, so he's losing. >> and the governor said he has always been an optimist and when he hears things like that he's confident in a positive outcome. heather. >> heather: peter doocy in washington. >> gregg: the rhetoric surrounding the federal become battle turning ugly, quickly, many union members waving signs comparing governor walker to hitler and stalin and, many of the mainstream media blasted the tea party for similar displays but there has been very little outrage, this time around. and "new york post" columnist and fox news contributor michael goodwin, writes about that and joins us now. michael, reporters, ours in particular, have been subjected to profanity, vulgarity and vile behavior by some. i want to stress the word "some" of the union protesters in madison. not all, but some and the ones who wouldn't, for example a few minutes ago, mike tobin, they are pushing him an screaming in his face and pushing him and apparently one hit him. and these are nothing but thugs an bullies and again it's not all of them, a few of them. not a terribly civil or clays group of people. would you agree? >> yes. you know, the signs that i write about, which are taking place throughout the demonstration, there, hitler and the stalin and, hosni mubarak, nazi, that sort of stuff degrades the argument and, it makes it easy to dismiss those people carrying those signs, because, if that is the best they can do, if that is their argument, to touch their benefits, to touch their collective bargaining rights, makes you hitler, first of all, i would say if teachers are carrying those signs they don't know their history very well, and, to compare this kind of thing to mass murder, to genocide, just really shows the sense of the entitlement culture, that this is the way we want it and way we'll keep it and anybody who tries to touch us, is guilty of the worst crimes in history and it just is illogical and irrational and makes it easy to dismiss what they are saying. >> gregg: and here a good intentioned reporter like mike tobin, trying to tell their story, tir side of the story in the middle of it and, of course he's subjected to obnoxious harassment and i'm sure i'll get a flurry of e-mails calling for me to apologize for naming them thugs an bullies but they are and i won't apologize for it. that is what they are and i want to make a comparison, here, too, because others have been talking about it, saying, hey, wait, tea partiers did that. >> well, look, there were occasional signs like that in the tea party but there are more in wisconsin alone and the tea party people, when they -- these things became an issue, they really policed themselves. and, remember the big tea party rally, in the mall in washington, people said it was the cleanest rally they had seen and actually cleaned up after themselves and i think the tea party people were keen on not being -- giving people the ammunition to call them in this way and the tea party people also had a very different argument, of course, it was not give me more, it was just get off my back. and, tell the government to stay out of my wallet and here it is a different thing. and i think it goes to the issuey talked about in terms of reporter mike tobin, it is a sense of intimidation, and there is this -- you watch them crowding the floor, they will go to people's houses, and will shout at them and kind of destroy any ability for the government to actually function, the democratic legislators leaving the state and that gets to the heart of intimidation and is not about a debate any more or resolving an issue, not about addressing the problem, this is about intimidating the opposition, and, trying to delegitimize the opposition with references to hitler and makes no sense and, frankly makes it easier to dismiss those arguments, you say, look if that is the best you can do you don't deserve these benefits. >> gregg: let's play a clip here. this is mike tobin a few minutes ago. >> reporter: i was getting the business from a teacher yesterday, and there he goes, wants to shut down the communication. and, a teacher was giving me the business yesterday, and, the teacher said she hates me because it makes her feel good and that is the situation, out here, gregg. >> gregg: mike i hate to put you into the situation, because you are being surrounded there and, yeah, heckled and, out there -- >> reporter: guy just hit me. >> gregg: go ahead. >> gregg: the guy just hit me, to let you know. >> gregg: reprehensible, insuffer rab behavior able beha few people are calling them out, not all of them, a few of them -- as i have done as thugs and bullies here. we went we need people to step forward and say something about this? you expect this kind of behavior, if you are reporting in difficult places in northeast and middle of a revolution but, my goodness! that is madison, wisconsin. for god's sakes. >> right, look i completely agree and as i say it goes to the entitlement culture and the sense that last week when the teacher skipped school to demonstrate, saying they did it because they loved their children, right? and the doctors giving them fake notes to say they were really sick and suffering stress and the teachers defended that and that is entitlement and this is about entitlement and we are better than you and deserve to have your money and tax you so we can be paid better than you are and that is what they are saying to the people of wisconsin and the battle, that is going on across the country, because the unions, government unions, many of them, not all workers, but the unions themselves have created a second class -- made themselves a separate class within the workforce and say their benefits cannot be touched, though everybody else has suffered great losses, during the recession. >> gregg: so many people, a wonderful state and a lot of terrific folks and hate for this to give them a black eye but this appears to be doing that. michael goodwin, thanks for your thoughts. >> heather: the fbi is sued for spying on muslims and they say they were trying to find terrorists and did they really cross the line? we'll debate, coming up. one, two, three, four ♪ ♪ you say ♪ flip it over and replay ♪ we'll make everything okay ♪ 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fbi facing a lawsuit, and fox news legal analyst mercedes colwin and joey jackson join us now for a fair and balanced debate. all right, the aclu which filed the lawsuit on behalf of the mosque in and the muslims, says it violates the first amendment and i say, where -- put the first amendment up on the screen and i will not read it. you can read along for yourself, joey, what -- where there is a first amendment violation in there. >> i do not see one. everybody looks at the first amendment and look at freedom of speech and there is another important component to that, the free exercise clause and establishment clause and you can exercise a religion and having established it you can freely practice that and i don't see a violation whatsoever and confidential informants are a valuable tool and the fbi went after them to weed out terrorists and to send them into mosques to ensure people endangering the committee -- >> what probable cause, joey? >> we don't know. >> wait. what this informant did is, the discussion with all of these individuals and no one was targeted. it was, let's have a roundtable and discuss this and why was that? because all of the individuals were assembled there to practice their religion and no other reason. and it's not like the fbi said to the informant, i think we have got several individuals that are tied to usama bin laden and, we want you to go in there and that was not done. >> and i have to -- you said obama and you meant usama bin laden. >> yes. >> i feel your passion but at the end of the day they had specific information. how do you know that? we know because an individual who ultimately, the confidential informant targeted was indicted and is being prosecuted and has ties to usama bin laden. and you cannot say this is not an effective tool -- >> joey, this is a brother-in-law that may have ties to usama bin laden and may have and not even -- and by the way, he's not being tried for terrorism, he's being tried for lying -- >> al capone was tried for tax evasion and we know what he was all about. we know what they are up to and gregg, hold on, on that particular tape of the individual, what was he talking about? blowing up buildings and destroying schools and destroying america. >> wait, that informant bent there because this are muslim and, they had hundreds of conversations and hundreds of hours and individuals and not as if they tarted anybogeted anyboe aclu is tree hugging loan is for the most part -- >> gregg: i weill not go there and i'll not agree with you on that one! and the fbi was asked and they are not talking much but they say we don't target houses of worship or religious groups and here's the quoted. the fbi does focus on people who are alleged to be involved in criminal activity regardless of their affiliations, religious or otherwise which seems to suggest to me, mercedes, that the fbi feels like they can prove in this instant they had reasonably suspicion criminal activity was afoot inside the mosque. >> there is no evidence of that and -- >> gregg: no known evidence of that. >> and of course, this is obviously their corporate speech, when they are confronted with these -- >> joey. >> these are difficult times and we have to protect american interests an american lives are made safer by the mere opportunity of that confidential informant to get in there and get the information we need and i think it will be established in time, that that information is valuable and there will be a successful prosecution and we -- >> gregg: have to leave it at that. joey jackson, mercedes colwin, thank you very much. >> thanks, gregg. >> gregg: we'll be right back with more, we're following what is happening in wisconsin. >> heather: a shocking article in "the l.a. times" saying some 2,000 prescription drugs are being sold in the u.s., without fda approval and we ran the story by our next guest and, it raises more questions, internalist dr. steven lam is a faculty member at new york university. >> gregg: do you buy that. >> it 's not shocking, they are not regulated by the fda because they haven't submitted safety or efficacy data, these are products on the market maybe 50, 60 years, for example, 80% of nitroglycerine tablets essentially fall into the unapproved category because they haven't submitted this data and these are old drugs that have been grandfathered in. but, now the fda is targeting those medications, which have been shown either to be not effective or potentially dangerous. and so i think it is a good thing they are trying do this but i'm not certain it is shocking news. >> heather: should people be alarmed? i guess, it boils down to that. >> i think they shouldn't be alarmed, they should be aware there are medication, not fake medications, they are not, quote, generic medications or brought in from a strange country. these are drugs that have been on the market for many, many years and simply have not gone through the regulatory process. and, even most doctors don't even know which drugs are -- you know, quote, approved. you know? >> heather: i was going to ask. >> there are web sites for, quote, unapproved... in this country the fda regulates all new drugs and that means the drugs have to go through very substantial, tight regulatory measures for safety and efficacy and they are older medication, morphine, stuff around since before 1932 and the regulatory industry changed in the 1950s, 1962. and there were a lot of medications that were on the market, cough medicine, stomach medicines you have heard about and probably used, and, look there is medicine which is around another treatment of gout and is an unapproved drug and manufacturers decided they'd wanted to get regulation and got the drug and the problem is it costs ten times as much as the original generic drug and sometimes it is good -- >> gregg: 30 second left and people should have conversations with their doctors. >> i guarantee, most doctors don't know there are things that are called unapproved drugs and probably they've never heard of the term. unapproved. that does not mean fake. that is important to understand. >> gregg: great to see you, thank you very much. >> heather: thank you very much. >> gregg: that does it for us, i'm gregg jarrett along with heather childers, we're keeping a close eye on wisconsin for any breaking news. meanwhile, stay tuned for fox news sunday with chris wallace. and we're going to continue to show you during fox news sunday what is happening, live in madison, wisconsin, have a great week, everybody. to stay fit, you might also want to try lifting one of these. a unique sea salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™ oh, bayer aspirin? i'm not having a heart attack. it's my back. it works great f pain. 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