Tom sullivan. Com. Thank you for joining us this week. We are on fox news talk, sirius many of the local radio stations around the country. Its every weekday from 36 p. M. Eastern. We will have another great tv show for you right here next week on fox business. In the meantime i hope to hear you on the radio. Gerri hello, everybody. Im gerri willis, and tonight, on the willis report, the Mutual Fund Industry wants to punish you for taking out your own money, trillions of dollars at stake. Will you pay more this weekend for using a credit card rather than cash . Find out. And, Illegal Immigrants are not supposed to get medicare, but a new report says, yes, they can. The willis report is on the case. All that and more coming up later in the show, but, first, our top story, a new warning for investors tonight. If federal regulators get their way, you can soon end up paying a big fat fee for withdrawing your own money from your money market mutual funds. Currently, there is no fee. The feds say its all in effort to reform the 2. 7 trillion money market Mutual Fund Industry which 61 million Retail Investors are a part of. Regulators say they are going too far. Senior washington correspondent peter barnes joining us now. Peter, what is the industry proposing tonight . Well, gerri, this all goes back to this whole break the buck problem we saw back in 2008 when the rereceiver fund went below a dollar because it invested in Lehman Brothers short term debt. Theres an an effort since to stabilize money market funds. Regulators purring some of this, got some reforms in 2010. The industry said the 2010 stuff they did has been fine, but yesterday, we actually saw the industry move, and back a couple of new proposals. One would be to prevent to shut down redemptions for a short period, a gate idea is what it would be, but the big one that youre talking about here is a 1 redemption fee for people who really needed to get their money out for, you know, for like a 30day period, might charge 1 to stabilize the fund to ensure there was not a fire sale and value didnt drop below a dollar. This is the first time the industry moved here, and that would mean if you want the money, you have to pay a dollar to get the money back. Gerri not the point, of course. Peter, thanks for coming on tonight. We appreciate your time. Okay, gerri. Gerri thank you. Critics of the new rules are worried about regulation overkill. Joining me now, the president of Capital Management and greg mcbride, senior financial analyst for bankrate. Com. Greg, starting with you. Is this overkill . I think it is, gerri. I mean first of all, the apeople appeal here to individual investors, its not high return. You can get to the money when you need it and for every hundred dollars you put in, you get a hundred dollars out when you need it. If you take they way or restrict those appeals, frankly, people have alternatives to put the money elsewhere, in a nonlife savingsing the or Short Term Bond Fund where, you know, they can go, oh, by the way, get better returns than what they get in the money funds right now. Gerri greg makes the right point here. If you want to be in cds, have the money tied up, whatever, you could, but people are in money market funds because they want to be able to get out whenever they need that money, and it seems to me at the very point in time they make restrictions getting out, whether its financial restrictions or closing the temporary gate, thats exactly what you want to get access to it, in an emergency. What do you say . Its a mistake all the way around. First off, money markets right now pay 0 . If they paid 5 like back in 2006, and they wanted to take a percent of you a different story, yoir not making money off the money markets right now, so it would be a loss. Number of two, the gate idea is stupid. Let markets bement if you get another market crisis and tell people, oh, you cant get out of the funds right now, when they open the funds to get out of them, everybodys going to jump at once, and theres even a bigger problem. They are going to create a motions and more worry than they are in for. Its a big mistake. Gerri always the unintended consequences, isnt is it . The thing you dont mean to do that gets you in trouble with regulations. Greg, to you, respond to this. Christopher donohue speaking out on the issues saying this regulation will kill the industry, kill the industry. He was on our air today, chris donohue, fed rated ceo, saying they have had a club since the 1970s trying to kill them. Change to the rules causes money to move from money market funds into other instruments. What do you think of this . I mean, its sort of, as you pointed out at the top of the block, its the point of the industry to get in and get out, to be perfectly liquid. If you remove that, does that mean everybody goes somewhere else . Keep in mind here, we talked about lots of american investors, but its also companies. Its also pension funds. Governments are in these money market funds. It matters very much what happens to them. Youre absolutely right, gerri. I explained this to someone the other day, and he said the cure is worse than the disease. That sums it up. The money funds are safe, okay . They are not guaranteed, but they are very safe breaking the buck with the frequency of haley s comet. This causes institutions to put money elsewhere has a detrimental effect because companies rely on being able to issue short term debt in the money market so that they can buy inventory, meet payroll, and thats why they stabilized the money funds back in 2008 to begin with which, by the way, didnt cost taxpayers a dime. Gerri bringing you to the topic now, which is, you know, okay other people, you know, people who support this would say at the end of the day the government doesnt have to stand behind the funds. Taxpayer dollars at risk. Who is right . Well, when all is said and down, money flows where its treated best, and when you start puts fees and regulations in the money, its going somewhere else. We can talk blue in the face whats right and wrong, there is a competition for money on a daily basis from so many areas of the markets whether its equities, bonds, you name it. If they pull this, i promise you money flows from the money market funds, and a bunch will shut down. You just dont want to put gates on markets, especially in times of stress. When theres stress and people are emotional, and you tell people you cant get your money, well as soon as you open up those gates, they are going to run for the hills, and thats where problems arise. I dont think they thought it through. Its people all about regulations and fees, and they need to start thinking twice before coming up with Something Like this. Gerri greg, whats the right solution . Should there be a regulatory solution . They have done enough. The reforms put in in 2008 require funds to hold short term instruments, not only does that undercut yields, but, again, dont have a knee jerk reaction designed to avoid the last crisis. Money funds are very safe investments. They break the buck with very, very rarely, and, you know, investors very rarely lose money because in a lot of the cases, the Fund Companies themselves step up and make investors whole so, again, i think this is overkill. I dont think i think the best solution here, gerri, frankly, is no solution. Gerri no solution. Gary, i have to ask because its up your alley. So you remember the Financial Stability oversight council; right . A group of brain yaks who were to see the next problem coming, and they work for the government, and so the things they have been considering are floating asset values on money market funds, hold backs, and capital buffers, so how much confidence do you have in a Government Authority thats supposed to see around the corner and see the next problem thats going to blow up on wall street . Well, look, ive been yelling and screaming for years the people that have watched and overseen things and basically caused a lot of the problems, and now the ones that are supposedly going to come up with the solutions to the problems, that worries the heck out of me. Again, im a big believer in free markets. Let them be, let them roll. People have to read the fine print on money markets to realize that even though they most of them stayed with just about all of them, they can come down. If in bad debt, people have to understand that. If you put all the things on top of each other and on top of each other, you are going to create a real big problem if we get into that situation again. By the way, a great point in the fact that during the worst stress seen in ages, only one mutual fund, the reserve fund, broke the buck at that time so im not as worried about these other people, and, again, the word most definitely in the situation is overkill. Gerri face it, the smartest minds on wall street did not see the housing bubble ready to burst. They didnt see the dotcom bubble, they miss a lot of things. Guys on a board somewhere in washington, d. C. Can see what the next problem is going to be, i dont buy it. We watch for two years as ben bernanke said sub prime lending is fine and housing wont hurt the economy. If the head of the fed cant get it right, i doubt the brains trying to come up with rules and regulations have any idea, and i dont think if they know what the news is next week. I dont put any creens into them. You know, if you are an investor and have money in the money market funds, follow the story. It could be meaningful to you. Gary, greg, thanks for coming on. Great to have you here. Appreciate your time. Thanks. Thanks, gerri. Gerri strong Earnings Report sent stocks higher today on wall street after breaking through 1500 yesterday for the First Time Since 2007, the streak of gains in eight days, the longest in 2004, hurray, and the dow in spitting distance of 14,000. The nasdaq posted gains today despite another down day from apple. Exxon is the most valuable company by market cap. Apples stock on the decline from earlier this week dropping 2 two more percent today. Thanks to the oil giant, theres a market cap of 5 billion higher than apple. Thats big. A lot more still to come in the hour including how more waste, fraud, and abuse in washington is leading illegals and inmates, prison inmates, to get your money, and, first, your paycheck goes down, and the cost of everything you buy goes upstart b up starting sunday, the surcharge on your credit cards coming up. Coming up. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. Omnipotent of opportunity. You know how to mix business. With business. And you. Rent from national. Because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. And go. You can even take a fullsize or above. And still pay the midsize price. I could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. Yes, you could. Go national. Go like a pro. Gerri yesterday, told you about a new fee that could be imposed by retailers if you buy with a credit card anywhere. Now, the socalled swipe fee, could be as much as 4 of the cost of your purchase, the money would pay for the cost of processing your credit card transaction. Heres how a couple of the guests last night reacted. This is really bad news for consumers. Were already nickeled and dimed to death, and were going to be nickeled and dimed more. Im a free market guy, and i believe individual stores have a right to charge me three dollars for coffee if they want to, but the consumer can say if you charge me extra, ill take my business elsewhere. Gerri thumbs up or down for the fee . Both of you, see your thumbs. Nobody likes it. Nobody libs likes it. I have a different finger i want to use, but im not allow to. Gerri they are not fans, and neither am i. The last thing we need is another fee. Nobody wants to see a surcharge on the credit card bill, and you guys weighed in with heated responses. Heres an email from chris. He says 4 on top of what ever you pay by using your credit card . We are already getting squeezed by higher food prices k an now its 4 more to use the credit card . What economy is it . Nickeling and squeezing every penny from the consumer. Im thumbs down and want to use the other finger to the retailers, actually, times two. In terms of a Class Action Lawsuit settlement, its spelled out clearly that retailers who plan to charge must notify consumers of their plans to surcharge so, today, we decided to find out who might raise these tabs. Target told us no. Heres what the spokesman said, quote, target has no plans to charge guests who use credit and debit cards to allow visa and master cards to continue charging unfair fees. No love lost there. Other big chains contacted agreed with target, a couple of them responded to us. We heard from a smaller merchant who said, i would like to know if youve seen a merchant processing statement from a credit card processer breaking down the fees paid to process credit cards. You would understand the difficulty we face as small business. We are the ones paying for the reward cards. Thats true, suzanne. We talked to a big one in retailing, the National Retail federation who had this to say, the concept that mother merchant charge for credit card use is misinformation spread by the card industry. The lawsuit was brought by merchants to bring down swipe fees, and in turn, the prices paid by consumers not to increase the amount paid by consumers surcharging, therefore, runs 180 degrees to the intent of the suit. Theres always exceptions, merchants, in general, have no intention of surcharging. Its the last part that bothers me just a little bit. They say there may be exceptions. According to the federation, big chains have a difficult time levying the fee because if any of the operations are in any one of the ten states seen here highlighted in yellow, they dont have to pay the surcharge. They cant charge it, and they cant charge at any of the stores. Even so, a big Grocery Store chain says its weighing what to do saying we continue to explore ways to insent vise customers to use lower cost forms of payment, and they have not made any final decisions. Experts believe youll be most likely to see the surcharges smaller merchants, bodegas, little storesment again, the little guy and the little business guy or gal gets the shaft. My advice to you this weekend is that you scan all your receipts to see if youre charged a fee for credit card processing. Hard pressed to return to a mother chapter where i got that surcharge. Coming up later in the show, the man who brought the business back to the u. S. From china, and he tells us his story. Next, your tax dollars going to ill leal immigrants and prison inmates. The results of a shocking new report. Gerri youll never believe who is on the receiving end of your is on the receiving end of your uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu traffic noises may0i0walk you acrossp the street . u thanks. u hold0my hand0 gerri taxpayer dollars hard at work providing Medicare Services to Illegal Immigrants and prison inmates, may friends. According to a new report by the health and Human Services inspector general, totaled more than 125 million between 2009 and 2011, and joining me now, dr. Scott, resident fellow at the American Enterprise institute. Doc, welcome back to the show. Good to see you. How does this happen . Doesnt the government know who they are sending checks to . Well, the answer is no, medicare doesnt have systems in place to make sure the payments made are appropriate. They were inproper payments, about 65 billion a year in improper payments, different than fraud. Gerri 65 billion . Just as if this is a normal thing that happens, and, boy why cant they whats the problem . A structural problem how medicare is ensured appropriately em posing paperwork, requiring providers to document things to be paid and audit the charts. In this case, the providers didnt know they provided services for people who didnt know they were getting services, and in a lot of cases, if they commit fraud, they lie in paperwork. If they are just going and auditing paperwork, documentation that doctors have to make to bill for certain things, if you are ripping off the program, you lie in the paperwork. Gerri maybe it was your comments on this, actually. Use certain language if you know what you are doing, know what to call in the language of medicare; right . People who are fraud steers know that easy peacey, use the right language, you get the money. If i transfuse the patient, blood loss, i write blood loss, and bill medicare. If you dont right that, youre not paid. People know what to write in the charts. Gerri all right. So lets just be clear about this. Its illegal under federal law for this money to go to Illegal Immigrants or to prison inmates. Right . Right. Gerri people think, oh, theres some cases where they can get benefits, but its illegal. Talking about the law having been broken, but at the end of the day, the federal government, center for medical Services Says they will not go after money going out the door in this way and go after the service sprieders for illegally giving this money out or after the people, themselves, why . Well, because medicare has responsibility for making sure the claims in are appropriate claims and appropriate for getting paid. They try to put in the responsibility on the providers in the hospitals and doctors, but in some cases, they cant certify whether they are medicare eligible, filing the claim, and if they pay the claim, medicare had a data base to check these things, slow to do it. This is what happens when you administer a Large Program from washington. Gerri never going to see the money again, are we . Probably a lot of it we will not. Gerri thats not good news. Any way to fix it . Medicare would be more active than investigating whats paid for. Looking at the private health care plan, they employee hundreds and thousands of providers, clinicians to audit and look for waste, fraud, and abuse, and medicare just has paperwork audits. Gerri theyll never know the real problem. Scott, great to have you here. Appreciate the time. Nice to have you on set. I like that. Thanks. Gerri the louisiana governor has harsh words for his party, and is outsourcing on the way out . Has it become profitable to make things right here in the good old us of a . Indidnt look indepth look is coming up. The capital one cash rewards card gives you 1 cash back on all purchases, plus a 50 annual bonus. And everyone likes 50 more. [ midwestern chicago accent ] cheddar yeah 50 percent more [yodeling] yodelayeeoo. 50 more flash. [ southern accent ] 50 percent more taters. Thats where tots come from. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1 cash back on every purchase plus a 50 annual bonus on the cash you earn. Its the card for people who like more cash. 50 more spy stuff. Whats in your wallet . This car is too small. From our fox business studios in new york, here, again, is gerri willis. Gerri jobs coming back to u. S. Shores . U. S. Economy slowly gaping momentum, finally, so are companies turning away from offshoring american jobs . Joining me now, mark coopersmith, director of et water systems, allen from the u. S. Bids and Industry Council research, and harry, founder and president of the reshoring cant say the word, reshoring initiative. Mark, starting with you. Your company was in china. You came back to the state. Why . We came back to the states. I joined the Company Three years ago, and we looked at where the products were made, getting the quality needed, and how were we servicing the customers. We did a comparison of chinese manufacturing where we were making the products, and u. S. Manufacturerring, and we were surprised at the results. The results were close, and we then dove in and made the decision to reshore production from china to the u. S. Gerri harry, you next. A survey from boston consulting show 48 of Manufacturing Companies with annual sales above 10 million reshored. Is this a trend . Definitely. We calculate that about 50,000, so 50thousand, manufacturing jobs reshored in the last three years, 10 of the growth in manufacturing in the last three years. Theres other surveys by mit and my mfg. Com that have resulted similar to what you quoted. Gerri allen, you dont see the trend, why . Not at all because the best National Level and global data we have including trade balances, including import penetration rates and u. S. Manufacturing including Global Market share for manufacturing is telling us loudly and clearly that for all of these individual antidepressant dotes antidotes told on reshoring, the United States, if anything, loses competitiveness as a location for manufacturing. Gerri all right. Mark, to you, once you came back, what did you experience in the country in the competitive positioning . So thats a great question. So let me preface that were a Green TechnologyCompany Helping large water users conserve water through a lot of technology. We have complicated electronics that we communicate to wirelessly and through software, and when we looked at the product line and we were looking for partners to help us with that. It started with innovation. When we wanted to accelerate the pace of innovation to understand what was going on right here in Silicon Valley at the heart of this great ecosystem of entrepreneurship and technology, we started there and collaborated with a great manufacturing partner that weve been working with for three years to really relaunch an update our products and launch new innovative products. Gerri turning to the profitability, did it help moving back . So heres what we found. We found that the costs were surprisingly close, at least for us, at least for where we were, incorporating costs like transportation, rising costs of chinese wages, and others. We were surprised at the difference was very slight. Then we started looking at quality. We looked at just in time manufacturing. We ship directly from the manufacturing plant to our customers. We get better service. We touch the products less. Margins have more than tripled since we brought manufacturing back to the u. S. I cant say all of that is due to reshoring. Gerri allen for a second, these are the scenes ive seen in researching the topic that transportation costs are through the roof, and chinas a long way from many peoples markets, a, and, b, the cost of Chinese Labor has risen dramatically, huge delta, and american wages flattened out. As a result, ge, ford, otis, companies coming back into the country, do manufacturing here. Isnt that the beginning of a trend . Dont you see a trend there . No reason, gerri, sorry to tell you, but theres slotly absolutely no reason at this point to have a significant trend in the making or that these are anything more than drops in the bucket, and, in fact, lets talk chinese wages for a second, and even transportation costs. Theres little doubt that production costs in china are going up. Nobody denies that, although, theres Big Questions as to how much, but heres what else is going on in china, what everybody seems to miss. Chinese productivity is going up faster, and everybody knows, except it seems when they talk about china, that when Companies Get more productive, they can absorb higher costs and maintain and increase profits. Gerri jump in here, is that right or missing something . Allen east right that the from 50,000 feet where allens looking, the flows are balanced or even maybe favoring offshore. Balance is the key. Theres a deficit. Yeah, allen, my turn. The key fact is that reshoring that was happening at a zero rate three years ago accumulated 50,000 jobs, and, therefore, allen can still see that theres net offshoring happening, but reshoring is happening, and when you start from zero and get to something, thats a trend, and the trend will continue, and the trend will grow. Harry, its never zero. Gerri guys, leaving it there. Going to leave it there. Fascinating consideration. Allen, hey, wait and see if this is going to pick up. Well wait and see. Hope it will. Gerri thank you to all of you for coming on tonight. Mark, allen, harry, great conversation. Thanks so much. Thank you. Gerri what do you think . Heres the question tonight. Would you spend more to buy made in america . Log on to our website, vote on the right side of the screen, and share the results at the end of the show. Buying made in america is not the only thing to watch for. Many products dont do whey that claim. Truth in advertising. You know what . Theres not always truth in advertising. In tonights top five, the most misleading product claims, according to the federal trade commission, number five, siri, this is so right. Apple claims the Voice Recognition software, quote, understands what you say and knows what you mean. My husband doesnt even do that, but how many times have you shouted no after she asks if its right . Number four, walnuts, believe it or not. Diamond foods in california claimed the nuts prevented strokes and cured depression. They were magic nuts. The company settled a lawsuit for more than 2. 5 billion. Number three, five hour energy, Living Essentials promises you have energy with no crash, but a survey shows a quarter of users experience extreme crash. The product may also kill you, at least the fda is investigating. Sketchers shapeups. Remember that . Any product that helps you lose weight without dieting is a crock my friends, but these sneakers promised that, and the companys forced to shell out 40 million as a result. Can you guess the number one misleading product claim . Pom wonderful claim that the juice helps you cheat death. Cheat death, my friends, prevents alzheimers, cancers, heart attack, stroke, and prevents aging. Bring it on. I want some of that. Eight ounces a day is 5u8 you need. You have to have your head examined if you believe that. Thats what i say. Coming up later in the show, when we come back, did president obama break the law . Find out what the judge had to say, and, next, one the nations most prominent republicans telling the party to stop being stupid. Is he being fair . Come back with us. [ engine revving ] [ male announcer ] every car we build must make adrenaline pump and pulses quicken. To help you not just to stay alive. But feel alive. The new c class is no exception. Its a mercedesbenz through and through. See your authorized mercedesbenz dealer for exceptional offers through mercedesbenz financial services. Aww man. [ male announcer ] returns are easy with free pickup from the u. S. Postal service. Well even drop off boxes if you need them. Visit usps. Com pay, print, and have it picked up for free. Any time of year. Nice sweater. Thank you. Gerri is it time to rebrand the republicans . Top republican governor of louisiana giving his own party harsh advice, dont be stupid. With that, board of the wall street journal, steve, thank you for being on. I want to play this for you to respond. Okay. Weve got to stop being the stupid party. [laughter] im serious. Its time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults. We had a number of republicans that damaged the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments. We had enough of that. Gerri what do you think of that . Well put, about time somebody like bobby spoke out about the republican branding problem, and, you know, the Republican Party, look, im embarrassed to admit it, were a republican, and we are the stupid party, doing stupid things over the last couple years. Just to name a couple examples, republicans should never talk about abortion and rain in the same sentence. It doesnt work. Gerri a nightmare. A nightmare. The republicans have to learn how to speak spanish, quite seriously. They need to learn to reach out to a huge percentage of the population, a swing vote, no reason republicans cant be getting the hispanic vote, and, you know, gerri, one other point, you know the republicans lost the asian vote . An amazing thing when you think about it because the asians, as you know, they are ethnically the most wealthiest people in america, and, yet, theres something about the republican brand that they are turning off minorities in ethnic groups and not going to win election. Gerri every group apparently. Exactly. By the way, youre my favorite Business Editors and hosts. You know it, you talk about it all the time. Whats a company have . Whats its greatest asset . The brand; right . If you blow away your brand, youre in big trouble, out of business so i say hall halleluj. Gerri a lot of the concerns and worry inside the party is that people cant get on the same stage. Its not a branding problem when half or more of the members of congress believe that the way we spend money is silly, and the other half thinks, well, you know, just keep spending, get along go along. Thats true. Gerri thats not a branding issue, but a fact, a reality of a splintering in the party. What do you say . Well, you know, ive been involved in politics, and i think they are more unified than they have been in ray long time. When i came in in the 70s, the republicans were all over the map, but now they are an antitax party. They are a prolife party. They are a party that believes in limited government, but youre right. A lot of times they stray from that message, and the best evidence of that, the one that anows me so much is the vote taken on that obscene, you know, hurricane, the sandy bill, which was stuffed with pork. You know. You covered that story. How could the guys in good conscious vote for that and say they are fiscal conservatives. Gerri whats the problem taking out the ridiculous spending . Exactly. Gerri a pentagon official cede said if sequester goes through, hundreds of thousands of civilian employees furloughed. What do you think . Thats probably true. You know, and its unfortunate, and ive been saying this for months that the sequester is not a good way to cut spending, but i hate to say it, could be the only way to get cuts in spending. We have to do this. Look, you know it, we cant borrow 40ents for every dollar spent, not a trillion dollars a year, its unfortunate, people lose jobs. I live in northern virginia, people on the street i live will be affected by this, but you know what . Business had to cut people; right . I mean, businesses got trimmed. They got efficient, and, actually, businesses, as you know, you just covered the story, United States is the place to live best in. Why cant government be efficient like private industry does . Gerri we can dream, steve. By the way, you are one of my favorite guests of all time. I have to say that. Thanks for bringing your smart comments. Have a great weekend. Whats the new word about shoring . Reshoreing. Thats great. Gerri cant get my brain around it. Its great. New term. Have a great weekend. Gerri unintentional as usual. Appreciate your time. Two crepts more on a possible scary food situation coming up soon, and if you have not had a bad day and want to complain about the boss, should you do it on facebook . Dont be stupid. Well have the legal panel in next. [ heart beating, monitor beeping ] woman what do you mean, Homeowners Insurance doesnt cover floods . [ heart rate increases ] man a few inches of water caused all this . [ heart rate increases ] woman 2 but i dont even live near the water. What you dont know about Flood Insurance may shock you including the fact that a preferred risk policy starts as low as 129 a year. For an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. Gerri workers conditioned for trash talking workers on web. Is it legal . How to do it without gerri bashing your boss on facebook may moo longer result in getting the boot. The National LaborRelations Board says workers have the right to talk about work on the web, but theres exceptions. Joining me is the criminal defense attorney and fox news legal analyst. Okay. We have two cases here. Im going to summarize them quickly. One is a social services provider, and theres a worker there who gets in trouble and complains about workers online. This results in her getting fired, and a bunch of people fired. All the details here, but theres an example of a reporter, a newspaper reporter, who complains about his job on facebook, and gets in trouble that way. They side with the workers in both cases. One of the employers private, the other public. Who do you side with in these cases and why . Well, okay, the first case here, we have a caseworker, a social service provider, and exactly that, goes on the web, and gets colleagues to talk to the employer, and they get explicit and its ugly. Nasty words about the working conditions. Heres the key. It was about working conditions. It was not about people. It was about people in the sense, that, yeah, the working conditions, but, you know, and bosses, good or bad, but primarily working conditions. The nlrb said in that case she should not have been firedded because it was about working conditions, and the case laws clear about that that we have a right as employees to talk about working conditions if they are unfair. Gerri do you agree . I think this is really different because this is a Governmental Agency, and its not the same as a private business, okay . A Governmental Agency has to go through a bunch of red fap in order to fire someone. You have all of these procedures. You cant just fire someone for saying anything. Theres reports, this, reviewed, and its a protected class. They are a protected class. When you bring a complaint, and its a protected class, that raises discrimination. Thats not allowed. Gerri protected because shes hispanic; correct . Absolutely. Gerri you think should cant be fired . Should have been because of the disparaging remarks; however, she was not fire because shes his hispanic, a member of the protected class, and the laws kick into place. Gerri i dont think it was a protected class, what the nlrb says it was not about that, but because talked about workings, and that is something carved out with the, you know, with the disparagement of employers. If youre talking about legitimate working conditions, then do nose usually involve anger and exprettitives and cursing and saying bad things . Thats not talking about working conditions. Thats blowing off negative steam. Its not good. Gerri working conditions with exexpolicetives. Gerri agree to disagree. What do you think about the Police Report . The Police Reporter says hes talking about the job, the police beat and says, what, no overnight homicide, youre slacking, you stay homicidal, tucson. What do you think of this . I dont think any business should be encouraging murder, okay . Thats what the guy is doing. Maybe he was trying to be funny, watching anchor man or make a joke out of it, but its not a joke. I mean, you dont know that kind of effect that will have on the reader. Gerri just complaining about the job. Thats not complaining about the job, but saying commit a homicide so i can write about it. Gerri i dont know. Theres so many ways, to fire the guy, no, he should not be even fired in this case. That it was okay, it was legal to fire him, sorry. To fire him over one comment like this, distasteful . Absolutely. Thats the thing, you bring the guy in and say, you know, really . I know you thought it was funny, but its not funny. Knock it off. Youre not fired. I want to ask you this, that the guess 1 in his employee handbook, it says dont do stupid stuff like this, and if youre on social media talking without the job, ensure its in a way to make us proud. Doesnt he have an obligation to reflect well in front of public . Thats what social media is, not five people watch, but a lot of people. Absolutely. Youre not supposed to invent the news. Youre not supposed to go out and there encourage people to kill other people so you can write a story. I mean, thats bad for business right there. Sorry. The employee needs to go. Hes out. Gerri true, but the laws, the latest Court Decisions this week that came down saying you can go on facebook, and the employers manual, whether they say you cant disparage or not, talking about working conditions and things like that, you can, its a First Amendment right. Sure. Gerri believe they are overstepping the bounds . Im running a business, and i have somebody on facebook talking bad about my business, causing me to lose money, affecting the morality, i cant fire the tabi . Gerri i agree there. You have the right to free speech, i have a right to fire him. Qid proquo. Thanks so much for coming on tonight. Sure. Thank you. Gerri appreciate the time. Thank you so much. Well