Transcripts For FBC The Intelligence Report With Trish Regan 20151202

Limited gas exploration. Headline, modest Economic Activity in the 12 districts. Trish there you go. Modest activity, in the economy probably not enough for janet yellen to feel to move rates on december 15th. We have the dow off 70 points right now. Also breaking this hour, everyone, russia taking aim at turkey, claiming it has hard proof that the turkish president and his family are involved in the massive Oil Smuggling ring led by isis. According to russia, turkey is the main consumer of isis oil. Youre looking at some images there, new images coming in to us from russias defense department, i believe you are, shortly. Do we have images to show the viewers . Basically these images that have come from the department of defense there in russia, show photos of oil trucks and videos of airstrikes on isis Oil Facilities as well as maps detailing the flow of smuggled oil right across the syrianturkish border. The Defense Ministry in russia is saying, and i quote, today we are presenting only some of the facts that a whole team of bandits and turkish elites are stealing oil from their neighbors in the region. According to ourdata, this again according to the russians, the top Political Leadership in the country, president erdogan and his family are involved in this criminal business. Well the russian Defense Ministry is also claiming that russias airstrikes choked off half the terrorists income, dropping income to 3 1 2, or 1 1 2 Million Dollars a day to three million it was taking off oil. Turkeys president is fighting back, no one has the right to quote, slander his country. He will stand down if these allegations are true. So who is right . Can we really trust russia . Turkey is a nato ally but can you really trust turkey . There are serious questions out there right now. All of a affects our war on terrorism. Breaking news from Geraldo Rivera from paris and i will start with you. It is my understanding that you actually saw some oil trucks, isis oil trucks yourself, is that correct . Reporter no. I want to back up on that. When i did my documentary, 1000 miles of bad road in iraq, trish, we saw and videotaped the oil trucks, the obvious nongovernmental oil trucks going from northern iraq, from northwestern iraq into turkey. When you look at a map, when you see syria and iraq, only, turkey is only place that oil can go. It is obvious to my. Yesterday during the president s press conference here at the Climate Change conference he conceded that there was a 90kilometer stretch through which oil is flowing. I was so frustrated to with the president , isnt obvious turkey is buying that trish he didnt want you to ask the question, did he . He did not let me ask the question. Theyre trying to do their best to kind of poopoo the notion. But i believe, i have to tell you in my heart of hearts i believe the russians have this one right. I believe that turkey has been double dealing. I think thats the main source of the oil revenue going to isis. It is obvious geographically. It is obvious historically. I have no doubt and the fact that we did not bomb those oil trucks trish were going to get to that in a second, but could that help to explain the downing of the Russian Airliner or fighter jet, forgive me, the russian fighter jet . I dont know about that but i was what i fear thats the explanation as to why the United States of america has not been actively until the last couple of weeks, since donald trump started complaining, since the savage attack here in paris, we have not been targeting oil trucks or Oil Facilities. They gave some lame reason it was environmental. I dont buy that for a second. I think we have known the open secret. Wonder. You look at this, geraldo, you look at this, eric, i do, as a layperson, i say why on earth arent we actually going after the source of their infrastructure, the source of their financial strength . Why for yearandahalf weve been bombing isis allegedly, at rate of about 10 per day, instead of what russia decided to do. When their airliner was put down well go after this. Well take isis out. They do 2,000 bombing runs a day. Or france has done hundreds of bombing runs per day. Weve been recommending on this network, i have personally been recommending level the oil fields, even if theyre in iraq. Not only do transportation which were doing now, were hitting oil trucks, level the oil fields too. Theyre drilled into sand. They can be rebuilt very easily, very inexpensively when there is peace in the region. Turkey has complete interest in those oil trucks getting through that border going into turkey. Theyre buying the oil on the black market for half the market price. So if barrel of oil is 40, trying to hold at 40 today, there are businesses in turkey refining oil at half the world market price and their interests is to keep that going. So, hold on. Let me just finish, so when russians say they will take out those tanker trucks, theyre hitting turkey in the pocketbook. Turkey didnt want it. They brought down a russian jet fighter. Lets not forget, geraldo, turkey is our supposed ally. Were supposed to be working with turkey. What is it going on our ally essentially working behind our back against our interests . This is the ally, this is the nato ally that has allowed their country to be used as a highway for isis recruits coming from the west to syria, to iraq. They let the isis recruits come in. They have done nothing to stem the flood of refugees coming out. The oil has been coming out. This is an ally and the president , going back to the press conference yesterday, just before the press conference we found out, it was noted, that the president of the United States had met with the president of turkey. He had met with erdogan. So all of this was all abuzz yesterday. Thats why it was so crucial for him to address the situation, is turkey double dealing . Yes, turkey has, taken many of the refugees trish should have taken your question, geraldo. Allowed them to camp out in turkey. He should have, more importantly, he should have forced turkey to do this, to cut off that oil supply. Trish well, look, i would say bottom line here we ought to be able to figure this out. We absolutely ought to be able to figure this out. When you think of all investigations done into terrorist financing it is not a secret. It is a wellknown fact. It is not a question whether or not turkey is allowing oil trish it is assad. Going into iraq. They would not say its turkey. They know that russia has problem with turkey right now because russia wants to keep Bashar Alassad in place. Turkey wants them out. Turkey hates assad. There is natural enemy formed in the region. Best thing to do here . Let them figure it out. Trish i dont know about that, eric. Thank you for joining today. Geraldo, pleasure to have you here from paris. Thank you very much. We do hope some questions get answered. Well come back a little later on in the show. U. S. Ramping up the fight against isis, announcing it is sending additional 200 special on forces to iraq to conduct raids, capture isis leaders and gather critical intel. This coming as joint chiefs of staff says we have not contained isis. Have we currently contained isil . We have not contained isil. Have they been contained at anytime since 2010 . Tactically, in areas they have been strategicsly, they have spread since 2010. Trish sobering reality, much different view from what we heard from our president just a day before the attacks in paris. Remember this . I dont think theyre gaining strength. What is true is, from the start our goal has been, first to contain, and which have contained them. Trish so does president obama better understand the threat now . Meanwhile, what are 200 specialops forces boeing to do . Weve got intel right now from former cia covert Operations Officer mike baker. Thanks for joining, mike. Were sending 200 in. Look, im not military expert but 200 people doesnt seem like a whole lot to me when youre dealing with thousands of isis fighters. Nonetheless, what can these 200 specialops forces do . Well, look, its better than what weve been doing, which is, the limited Bombing Campaign and 50 advisors we talked about, and some training personnel, to you know, continue the endless effort to try to get the Iraqi Military up to speed. But, what are they going to do . Talking about 200 military personnel and youre really talking about maybe 3 4 of those are acting, very important, im not saying theyre not, very important support roles as opposed to knuckle draggers and door knockers going through the windows as secretary carter put it to actually take out the bad guys but it is an improvement. Is it going to grow . Yes. This is halfmeasure. This is sort of indicative of what the white house has been doing for some time with this problem. Just taking these halfmeasures, and jumbled messages. Even the way the defense secretary announced this caught some in the pentagon by surprise. It was done while the president s in paris. It create ad little space, not really the president s decision. Trish i noticed that. Lets not forget, mike, this is president ran on campaign he would get it us out of these situations. He was the guy all about peace. We wouldnt send any troops back into the middle east. Look where we are now. I dont know why politicians, particularly president s want to speak in definitive terms on anything. The situations shift. I have sympathy with the white house. This is extremely complicated and layered problem. We have been making progress that we have been shrinking some. Territory held by isis but at the same time theyre expanding elsewhere. They have overreturn sirk, important town in libya. Libya is basket case and we havent talked about that for ages but we will be. While weve been ignoring libya, figuring out what to do with assad, isis is moving into libya. That is important strong hold, should they need to move out of holdings in syria. Trish do we need to get rid of assad . That is the party line from the administration that assad has got to go and thats a priority and you cant really get rid of isis until you get rid of assad. Is that still going to be a front burner issue in light of everything were dealing dealinh isis right now . We can multitask. What happened with assad issue it has frozen the white house. They have not been able to decouple, their National Security team, lets face it this is not the Strongest Team a white house has fielded. That is nice way to put night im being diplomatic today. Trish best behavior, mike. I have to run. I have more news to get you. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Trish a stunning report find 71 individuals have been charged with isisrelated activities right here in the United States of america since march 2014. And of those arrests, 13 of them occurred in new york, the most of any state, followed by minnesota with 11. More alarming the Study Concludes isis followers in the u. S. Are diverse, theyre young. The coauthors of the study and director of the program of extremist study at George Washington university, forgive me, that is seamus hue hue hughes, Deputy Director joins me now. Your findings are disturbing. Why are we seeing activity and isis recruiting here in the u. S. . There are a variety of why were seeing it. We have seen 56 arrests in the u. S. Alone. One you have a state in syria in iraq where people are drawn to. The other reason is isis very adept at using social media. At we looked at 300 americans that are isis supporters, what does that look like and why are they being called to this. Trish why new york . Yeah, i think it has a lot to do, when you talk about a small sample size, it has a lot to do with population sample. In minnesota it, was relationships. First wave of guys went to syria and iraq and messaged them on facebook, come join us. So it was relationship when it comes to minnesota. Trish how do you start to shut that down, lorenzo . In terms of all research youve done, you see these recruiters, these members of isis are connecting online via social media, how do you start to thwart that . Can you . It is very difficult. Were seeing a shift, if twitter and instagram were main platforms a few months ago, messaging are moving to other encrypted platforms which is even more difficult to track. Even when they are on twitter, facebook, instagram, most of their activities are protected by the first amendment. So it is very difficult for Law Enforcement. What they can do is monitor the people. Resources are spread thin, but so they can watch and watch, but very difficult to know when they make the leap to violence. Trish thats a good point. You guys looked at this population overall. There are some things that stand out. Let me share this with some of our viewers here. The average age is 26 years old. 86 of the recruits are male. Approximately 40 are converts to islam. That is interesting to me. They were not born into this religion but they have converted and the majority are u. S. Citizens or legal residents. Seamus, how is it that theyre converting to islam . Each person is different on these type of things. But the 40 is a higher number than the general population of american muslims. 23 of american muslims are converts. 40 of isis recruits are converts which tells us a number of things. One you have people born into the faith, are steeped in the knowledge of islam. Then you have the younger kids trying to learn their religion and going online to find out more information and isis spotters are recognizing their naivete and bringing them back into the fold and saying this is the way to listen. Trish a lot happening online. Well talk about that coming up. Thank you, lorenzo, thank you, seamus, for joining us today. Speaking of online, Mark Zuckerberg is pledging 45 billion to charity. That is great, absolutely great, but you know what . Isis is connecting and growing its presence on the social network that he built. I want to know where is the accountability . Why isnt Mark Zuckerberg stepping up more here . 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Take a look at oilfields controlled right now by isis. We have a map that we can show you. Director will bring that to you right there. There we go. That these are all the oil fields controlled by isis. It is pretty significant. They want to keep growing this region. What are they doing with this oil . Refining it in many cases in syria or across the border in turkey. Theyre selling it throughout the world. It is an Industry Needs to be shut down. If you are going to stop isis you have to stop the source of the problem which is their financing, their wealth from oil. All right. Well stay on the story. Coming up, donald trump in true trump fashion at a rally last night in new hampshire, watch this. Somebody said, but you cant build a wall, a wall. [laughter] i build buildings that are 94 stories tall. That is tough stuff. This is, this is so easy. Trish well have more on the donald, where he stands in the latest poll. New poll numbers out just today. 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Officials in other states like iowa are echoing those sentiments. But voters, behind trump. Somebody said but you cant build a wall. A wall. [laughter] i build buildings that are 94 stories tall and, thats tough stuff. You know this is, there is so easy. Some day you know what it is going to be called, right . The trump wall. We have to make it beautiful. We have to make it beautiful. [cheers and applause] trish getting a big round of applause there in waterville valley, new hampshire, last night. Joining me on future of Republican Party with potential nominee like donald trump is democratic strategist, Jessica Ehrlich and fred barnes from weekly standard. Fred, i will start with you. Everybody says, trump will not make it. Trump is not going to make it. Everybody not he would be go this far. What happens, fred to the gop, if trump is nominee . The gop loses. His negatives are so high, i think he has a pretty low ceiling. I dont think he can get to 50 . He probably cant get to 50 in oneonone race for the republican nomination but it may not be a oneonone race. It will probably come down to three candidates. Looks now and this poll suggests that, this National Poll suggests that the three would be trump, rubio and ted cruz. But going up against a democrat, i mean, trump, look he can talk about naming a wall after himself all he wants but in a National Election i he just alien eighted too many people to. Trish at the same time he inspired a lot of people, jessica. There are people going out to vote that maybe never voted before feel motivated by donald trump in any election cycle. You need that. So how does he stack up against Hillary Clinton . Weve seen some polls that suggest he could win, not the case with this most recent one but a number of polls have pointed out she loses against donald trump. How do you see the math playing out . This poll actually we saw, where even if it was Bernie Sanders they would beat not only trump but any one of the republican nominees so far. Were 11 months out. A lot of things can happen. Trump, he is the teflon done dons because he already has a brand. His negatives are as high as hillary. That doesnt mean people wont come out and vote for him because what this poll pointed out the most important thing is leadership. When youre a strong leader, you have a record, whether in business or everywhere else people will like you. Exactly. Trish fred, back to again, if he is the guy that gets the nomination what is the party do . There are people in the party that would normally always be out talking up the gop. I think some people might have a really hard time doing that if donald trump is the nominee, am i right . Youre right. I think thats true. And problem with among republicans and particularly republicans who follow president ial campaigns and involve with them know a couple of things. One thing, president ial nominee will have to do well with rising hispanic vote. George w. Bush won in 2004 because he did much better among hispanics and other immigrants. There are areas where it is really important for a republican to do. That is one of them. Trump does poorly there. There is every indication when you look at his negatives, even as a republican, running in republican primaries that he just cant get to 50 . Trish what do you do, fred, if he wins . The nomination. Because youre a guy who believes in a lot of these principles and free markets and capitalism and, you know, smaller government. Hillary clinton, and Bernie Sanders for sure, definitely dont embody those principles. So what you do if donald trump wins the nomination . Fred . I mean republicans, what republicans do, i think a lot of them, i would be surprised, hillary is such, so disliked by republicans i doubt if you would have big republicans for hillary organization but there will be a lot of republicans that wont vote for trump. Trish right. Maybe im underestimating his appeal. Trish i have breaking news here right now. We are just learning, getting report of 20 victims right now in a mass shooting in San Bernardino, california. We do not know anything else at this point in time. This is coming to us from the San Bernardino Fire Department, reports of 20 victims being wounded right now in a mass shooting there in San Bernardino. Were going to continue getting more more information here. Were actually told, around the corner from a planned parenthood. You will recall of course the shooting that happened over the thanksgiving weekend holiday in colorado where there were several victims there who lost their lives in that shooting. Now we are getting word this was actually taking place at a public golf course, is that correct, daniel . A public golf course there in San Bernardino, california, which was around the corner from a planned parenthood. Now at this point in time we dont know if this has any lending r link to planned parenthood. Merely its gee gee graphical location puts it near by. Public golf course in San Bernardino, california, said to have 20 victims. Are we getting any other information at this point . This is all we have . This is all have. What are pictures im looking at . These are pictures coming in to us, Helicopter Shot im assuming from kttv, our affiliate in los angeles, yes . Kttb. Again, this is a Helicopter Shot coming in to us from our affiliate in los angeles, San Bernardino is the sport or is the place of this alleged, this alleged shooting. Seems as though 20 victims have been wounded in this shooting. Jo ling kent right now is joining with us more. Reporter thats right, trish. Were taking a look what is happening. It happened on the 1300 block south waterman avenue, according to Fire Department in San Bernardino, california. Police Department Says there is hard closure at intersection of waterman avenue and Park Center Circle, from the sheriffs department. San bernardino fire reporting there have been reports to the Fire Department of a 20victim shooting incident in San Bernardino city. That is what we have right now. Well continue to bring you more as i get it. Trish again, i want to tell everyone, again were just getting this information in to us. It is said to have happened right around the corner from a planned parenthood. We dont know if it has any link whatsoever to planned parenthood but of course you will recall over the weekend that tragedy there in Colorado Springs in colorado. But again youre looking at a live picture there coming in to us. You really cant see much. But, it is coming in from los angeles there. Our affiliate kttv. This happened on the 1300 block there in San Bernardino. 20 victims. 20 victims as of now. This is according to the Fire Department. This is said to have happened at a public golf course and again around the corner from a planned parenthood. The San Bernardinos Sheriffs Office is urging the public right now to avoid the area of orange show road, south waterman avenue and Park Center Circle. So again, orange show road, south waterman avenue, Park Center Circle is the area that the San Bernardino Sheriffs Office is urging people to avoid but i want to repeat this is actually an active shooter situation, is that correct . Danielle is giving me some information were giving to you right now. It is an active shooter situation where there are thus far said to be 20 victims. Of course, we are all on high alert given not just what happened in colorado over the weekend but because of paris, several weeks ago, that night in paris where 130 people lost their lives. It has put the entire world in very much a state of high alert as we continue to realize how vulnerable we are all are in this country. But we have no reports thus far whether or not this has any link to isis, to colorado but we do know right now there are two s. W. A. T. Teams there on site. That information coming in to us. There are two s. W. A. T. Teams on site there, at adult disability center. Does that contradict the public golf course . Were just getting this information in . We are not certain information of that. Were getting other reports of it being at an adult disability center. It is at the second floor of the center, again reports of 20 victims. Two s. W. A. T. Teams there in an active shooter situation in San Bernardino county. People are being urged to avoid that particular area which is on the 1300 block which is the area of orange show road, south waterman avenue, and Park Center Circle. South waterman avenue and Park Center Circle. So again, i want to repeat that there are two s. W. A. T. Teams now on the premises in a active shooter situation. We have a former secret Service Agent with us on the phone. Dan bongino who is joining us with more. Dan, we dont really know much at this point other than to tell our viewers that 20 victims, were told have been wounded thus far in an active situation, happening there in San Bernardino, in california. We do know two s. W. A. T. Teams are there. What is the process as they try to deal with this, as they try to contain this . The s. W. A. T. Teams now, the whole paradigm has changed with active shooter Response Plans. The columbine shooting, what happened in mumbai, the terrorist attacks in mumbai and Westgate Mall in nairobi, kenya, those attacks changed way Law Enforcement, particularly special weapons teams in Law Enforcement the way they respond to these type of incidents. The old way of doing this precolumbine and set up established perimeter and basically start the negotiations process for the person to surrender and come outside. That doesnt happen anymore. The s. W. A. T. Teams and even front lines Law Enforcement as far as without special weapons, cops on the street are trained to respond right away. Disregard the perimeter in some respect and take down the threat before the carnage continues. So yeah the whole Response Plan has changed since the columbine incident. Trish when it is an active shooter situation like this, and again were hearing reports of 20 victims, what can authorities do to insure nobody is coming near that area . Theyre used to that, thank god. Closing down a secure perimeter, say roadwise is not particularly difficult. There were some complications doing that in the last planned parenthood event we saw recently where some people were still coming through the Police Barricades that were set up. But cops are generally used to this. They will barricade off the roads. Of course they will get anybody out Walking Around the area, to evacuate the area as soon as possible. Not one of those types of scenarios where tragically they are so acute and dangerous rat the moment, you cant go back to grab your stuff, you have to get out and they will evacuate anyone. If you ever seen Training Exercise on active shooters scenarios with Police Officers or session weapons team, going into respond they wave people past them. Get behind us. They will not escort the people out. You have to leave. You have to get out of here right now because theyre so focused with active shooter incident still ongoing, that will be to take down the shooter. That is it. Trish i want to bring some more information to our viewers. Dan, stay with me. This is said to be the second floor of an adult disability called the inline Regional Center near the golf course. We reported earlier it was at the site of the golf course, a public golf course. However we want to confirm this is at inline Regional Center on the second floor near the golf course there in San Bernardino, california. Again, reports of 20 victims and two s. W. A. T. Teams. They have pulled some hostages out. So it is our understanding that it is a hostage situation. 30 people right now have been removed. Dan, i will just ask you. Given all that our country and the world has been through the last several weeks, both with paris and of course colorado recently everybody is very much on edge. You cant speculate what motives are behind Something Like this. I want to emphasize, we have no reports thus far of this being connected to isis in any way. Nor do we have any reports this is connected to planned parenthood issue all they we should point out, dan, this is right around the corner from a planned parenthood but of course people are understandably very much on edge. Right. Yeah, and listen, there is a healthy degree of apprehension in the United States as kind of the way we do business. Nobody here really panics. Weve been through 9 11, ebola scares and citizens of the United States, were a resilient bunch here but these soft target shooting scenarios we can be reasonably comfortable stating that, it was obviously a soft target. It wasnt a Police Station or the white house or some hardened target and obviously active or shooting incident, people were shot. These do frighten people. As i have stated on this network many times, these small arms tactical attacks are difficult to detect in advance. We dont know if is is terrorism or someone with a psychological disorder. These are very difficult to detect. They are soft targets. Not a security mechanism to overcome. Secondly they dont require a lost training either. It just requires training to contract your index finger to pull the trigger. Doesnt require Flight Training to learn to fly planes on knife knife 9 11. All different contacts you mike on 9 11 attack whether flight instructor, they leave clues that can be broken up by a investigator. Twenty victims said to be wounded. Twenty hostages have been removed from the inline Regional Center. The second floor. San bernardino california. Joining me right now on the phone is former nypd detective bill standin. We have been reporting to swot teams on the premises. What is it that they will be able to do . It is, to our understanding, a still active situation. With as many as three suspects. The fact that they are telling me this is not one lone wolf, Insane Person doing something crazy, there is an agenda here. What that agenda is, we have yet to ascertain. These swat teams have to be on edge. They have to worry about secondary teams or secondary action. Secondary teams or secondary action. Explain what you mean by that. Two swat teams. There may be two shooting teams. Two teams of bad guys, if you will. If this is terrorism, they come up with criminally dip ways to maximize damage. They do not want to spend time engaging with swat. Swat will pick them out sooner or later. They like to take on as many people as possible. My guess is, this will be over fairly quick. Trish one should hope is that it will be over fairly quick. We are getting some encouraging news. Thirty hostages have been removed. We do not know the current hostage situation, however. We do not know how many in total. We are getting reports of an active shooter situation theyre in San Bernardino. In california. As many as three suspects and as many as 20 big dumps. It is on the 1300 block of south water main. Police in San Bernardino have been trying to curtail that area so that people are not getting in. It is happening on the second floor. Being made aware of the situation. At this point, what can the city been doing to contain this . Right now, everyone is deputized. It sounds cliche. See something, say something. This may not be the only incident. It could also be happening in other parts of that town, or the country for that matter. When you have three shooters taking this many hostages, right now they have to take care of the immediate threat going on now. The wheels are turning. Is this terrorism . Is it domestic terrorism . Is a game related . We do not know. Secure and watch for any suspicious behavior and call that in. The safety is paramount with family and everyone in that area. My prayers go out to all. Trish you do not want to hypothesize too much. Given where this country has been, given where the world has been as of late, do you worry when you hear a report like this that it is terrorist related . What it tells me is that they are not willing to give up their lives. They were not concerned with hostages. A lot of things are clicking in my head. Others that i have my own private. Yes, to your point, the kneejerk reaction, something this large, france and what happened there, and this is happening here now. Trish information is coming in so sporadically. We are hearing different information from different reports. How much information is someone like the mayor at this point now getting. Right now, you know, accurate intelligence is paramount. You have them engaging. There is that component. Then there are detectives that are gathering as much information, lets say, from the hostages. What do they look like. What kinds of guns are they carrying. Are there any identifying marks on them. Tattoos or scars, facial hair, etc. These are the things that will be going from the point of origin to the mayor and then out to the federal authorities and homeland security. Trish multiple gunmen. We do not know how many at this point. There is said to be up to three. Two swat teams on the scene. I am here with dell stanton, former nypd. They should be able to entertain the situation pretty quickly. Two swat teams. Thirty hostages have been removed. We do not know how many still may be there in the building. The inline Regional Center on the second floor. Bill standin. Bill, how hard are they have to work to take out three suspects . We do not want to get too specific. The bad guys could be listening. Once they are mobilized, lets say a swat team in ohio, much smaller department. They are beyond good. The swat teams in america, the ones that i know, they trained for situations like this. When they engage, it is no joke. When the trigger is pulled, they will go. Thisll be taking care of. Trish this is a community that has struggled with violence before. Joe lynche had joined me right now. They had a shooting incident recently. Seeing this in early march of this year. Two people were killed and five others wounded in what police described as a gangrelated shooting at a San Bernardino nightclub. Late in the evening, earlymorning. This location is about one and a half miles away from the current location. Where the active shooting situation is going on right now. I just spoke with the mayor. It has been brief. We will get back to her in a moment. A shooting situation there before. Not to this extent. We are now looking at 30 hostages that have been removed. Up to three suspects in two swat teams trying to deal with the situation at the inline Regional Center. This is happening on the second floor. I want to go now to former nypd detectives. Pat, as we have been saying here throughout the hour as this news broke, just about 2030 minutes ago, it is difficult in situations like this because the world is very much on edge. We are all aware of what happened in paris. Is there anything there, as you look at the situation, as you are on the ground right now, that you would be specifically watching to try to connect the dots to a motive here. Whether it could be a islamic terrorist related activity. It is way premature to begin speculating. We have no knowledge. Due to the extraordinary carnage reported. And the fact that there is now 3000 hostages compounded. A reaction of some type similar to what we had to hunt half weeks ago, by the way, we have a public mass murderer on the loose with multiple injured. The facts on the ground are very, very scarce. It is a really tough situation, by all accounts. I do want to describe to the viewers what they are seeing there. You can see it is an active shooting situation. We are looking at the victims there. Being carried out on a stretcher. Reports of 20 victims that have been wounded in this mass shooting. Up to three suspects. I want to go back to our detective right now. It is all hands on deck for our local community trying to respond to this crisis. What is the process that they go through . You have to get medical there. You have to get the police there. You have the swat there. So many people onsite trying to deal with this tragedy. Serve . Okay. We may have lost our detective. Jill leaning is still with me right now. Are you there . Just reminding the viewers of what they are seeing there. The situation that they are watching on the ground. The Helicopter Shot coming to us. They are in San Bernardino. Some of the victims being carried out. We just saw moments ago on stretchers. This is a live picture. You are looking at an aerial shot. The victims shot on the second floor of that space. As we know right now, as many as 20 victims. Thirty hostages have been removed. Rod wheeler joining me right now on the phone. A former homicide detective. Rod, one of the points ive been making, looking at these live pictures, familiarizing yourself with what the viewer is seeing, swat teams, Emergency Personnel on the ground, all of the community really trying to Work Together to contain the situation. What does it take . What is involved in Something Like this . Can you hear me . We will get back to rod. We have joe i will go to her. We will continue talking here. Reports of 20 victims and reports of 30 hostages being taken out of the building. Are we getting any word right now as to whether there are hostages that are still stuck inside . I have been listening to the Police Scanner in San Bernardino. The police department. What i have heard as there has been an individual that is called his wife. They report there was a banging on the door. More than 12 people in that room were unable and too frightened to answer the door. There has also been a report of a device by the police department. They are deploying robotics to go inside and extract that device from the building. We also know that this outbuilding has been cleared, according to the Police Scanner. You can see them bringing people outside safely and quickly. We are getting reports. Can you confirm this . We are getting reports of deaths . Foxs reporting that there are some victims that have died in this situation right now. Danielle, can you confirm . We are still confirming some numbers on this. We will bring you that information as it comes in. Twenty victims that have been wounded. And that there are 30 hostages. The San Bernardino sheriff is advising people. Coming into us right now from a local affiliate. Bill dailey, former fbi investigator on the phone with me right now. Certainly extremely chilling. The shootings in colorado. Also some of the images for some of the people that have been removed. To a police screening having their hands up in the air. They do not have all the facts. Trying to figure out who or how many people may be involved in this. People who have been victims and treated. Perhaps, maybe accomplices with those people. This is a very fluid situation. As much as were trying to piece this together, you can imagine police on the ground. Between all of the different services. Out. Getting medical attention. Meanwhile, you have operators moving into the facility to clear the building. Finding out exactly what is happening. Going through room by room by room. Our hearts go out to the families on the front lines trying to save lives. We need more people being heard. More information that we are getting right now. This is coming from fox 11. The local station. Police are looking for three white males dressed in military gear. Three white males dressed in military gear. Bill, how does that affect how you are thinking about this . From the local affiliate. On the hunt for these three white men that are said to be involved in this shooting. We now know that 20 victims and hostages have been removed from the situation. At this point, it would appear that they are all dressed similarly. This was a plan, type of an event. In the facility or have left the facility. It goes to show you that they had information from some of the victims. Typically it certainly does change a bit of the paradigm. Coming in with some personal issue two s. W. A. T. Teams minimum and police units have closed