Business record but ignored garys. New mexico is a state thats 21 democrat. John who always gary johnson. Thats our whole show tonight. Who is gary johnson . We know hes the libertarian candidate for president. But recent polls show 40 of americans dont even know hes running yet johnson has more governing experience than any of the other candidates. People say hillary is so experienced. But experienced at what . Lying . Raising money . Manipulating people . As a senator the only bills she got passed were renaming things like post offices. As secretary of state she didnt accomplish much that was good. In the white house she was polite and smeared hour husbands critics. Donald trump has at least run things and built successful businesses but often in nasty ways. By contrast gary johnson was governor of new mexico for two years. He was republican, elected twice in a democratic state. He veto the bad bills and held a line on spending. Why dont more people take him seriously . One reason is he has been made to look stupid when fielding questions from the media. What is aleppo. John two weeks later he called this an aleppo moment. House your favorite foreign leader. Any country. Name one foreign leader you respect and look up to, anybody. Shimon peres. I was talking about living. I guess im having an aleppo moment. But im giving you the whole world. I know. John i turn to insight to my favorite magazine, reason. Whats going on here . I wish that gary johnson had answers to those questions. Anybody should be able to pull an Angela Merkel out of their pocket. John why would he admire merkel . He set himself up. If he hadnt had the first aleppo moment he wouldnt have been called out for the second. But hes rarely given an opportunities to explain this broader Foreign Policy platform. John it wasnt like they were talking about syria, they were talking about Something Else and suddenly he said what would you do about aleppo . I would have said what, a leopard . Its coming from nowhere and he gets smeared. Its charitable of you to give him the benefits of the doubt. I think this notion that in this particular cycle the Libertarian Party is the party looking seriousness. Its one i struggle to accept in the face of donald trump. What a smear. Gary johnson has done a lot of good stuff. I covered him after he vetoed the excess of his legislature. When he was governor of new mexico he kept saying no. I vetoed half of the legislative product. John they mist have had it you. They did. John a fellow republican called him ignorant of the legislative process. I said im vetoing this legislation because its way too long and we dont even know what it says. John many of those bills sounded wonderful. Establish a Pilot Program allowing the state to reimburse grandparents who take care of children and welfare families. Pilot program i think is the key word there. John it sounds good. Well test it before we funds it. The agenda was about growing government and spending more money and not making a difference. John but all the spending i vetoed a dog and cat exercise bill. But for my signature it would have been law in new mexico that pet stores exercise their dogs and pets two hours a day three times a week. Then i have to establish the dog and cat exercise police. Where does government end and personal responsibility begin . Reporter its nice to hear that from a politician. I first encountered gary johnson when i was an inherent for reason magazine. I was set out to transscriebt worlds longest interview. Wow, this guy sounds like hes kinds of principled and pretty unusual for a politician who actually got elected in a democratic state. John its impressive who gary johnson who isnt the best speaker got elect the twice in a democratic state. He did it by laying out good ideas. I have children, too. John he touted his use of the veto pen. This pen made gary johnson unpopular with professional politicians. But he doesnt mind. John i wish he were allowed in the president ial debate. Hes promising everything to everyone. One two things is going to happen. Either he doesnt deliver on the promises to everybody that hes making or we are going to have the largest tax increase the state has ever seen. Citizens of new mexico, guard your pocketbooks. Public built versus private built they have the same efficiencies of efficiency and organizaon. We are comparing apples and oranges. John i wish he would say that to hillary when she says government can do it just as well. I like that he talks about tradeoffs and cost benefits which is something thats absent from the debate right now. When you hear them compare thank plans for Maternity Leave and childcare its a question of the details of the plan. They get everything they want, exactly. Johnson as governor he added new mexico added 90,000 jobs when he was governor. Cato called him one of the four governors proposing one of the biggest income tax cuts. All good stuff. You are seeing pushback. The idea that National Review conservative. Never gary johnson. Hes not conservative. Not even all that libertarian. Johnson become governor. The budget grew at 7 a year. He had no control over. I understand people beer at parsing these numbers say the actual growth and spending was much smaller. Lets not get carried away. Gary johnson is not libertarian jesus come to save us all. But the idea that somehow because spending grew during a relatively flush time in a democratically dominated state means hes not a real libertarian. It basically never happens. There was a feature we did in reason magazine where we looked for times when government had been cut anywhere in the world, anywhere in history. The research for that piece was tricky. We did not find much. John yawn on ha johnsons ot said things like this. Liberty means our bodies and mind belong to ourselves. Thats clear. Understandable. But here is now johnson began. I would like everyone to know i have a wonderful family, son eric, daughter, granddaughter, and fiance, best friend kate. Its best to be in love and im in love. John im happy hes in love but i cant believe thats the first thinhe said when he had an opportunity to introduce freedom to people. On one hand i think thats a missed the opportunities. On the other the reputation of libertarians is we are basically robots that say the word liberty over and over. Maybe hes not wrong to talk about the cheesy part of the family. Hes a politician and politicians will always break your heart. Particularly if you are a libertarian. When he was governor he either was a little bit of crony capitalism under this administration. He increased the tax credit for fill makers to come to the state. John he cut the income tax and Capital Gains tax and state tax. He was dr. No. He said thats not okay and i dont approve of that. 750 vetoes shows gary johnson understands the same things at the same time. John i dont think most americans like that. They think they can get free stuff. If you ask them, the Reason Foundation did a pooling project. We asked people, do you think we should increase spending on entitlement x . Then we said do you think we should increase spending if it means we should decrease spending elsewhere or raise taxes . When people understand there is a tradeoff, they think more critically about it. A lot of it comes with the framing of the question. And i like the idea that gary johnson being in the race helped reframe some those questions a little bit in 2016. I bet the legal amount in mayor kay was allowed to bet on gary johnson. Obviously im going to lose that. Are you surprised he didnt do better . I think he did pretty well. Hes polling at 8 somewhere thereabouts. I think the idea he got 1 in the last cycle and we can expect him to do significantly better than that this time around. John how much better . I will put him at 3 . John ill put him at per. Did you know governor johnson used to run a Marijuana Company . Not you chairman of the company is a former judge. A judge who used to lock up users. He will join us next. Upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage. Com business we ship everything you atcan imagine. N, and everything we ship has something in common. Whether its expedited overnight. Or shipped around the globe,. Its handled by od employees who know that delivering freight. Means delivering promises. Od. Helping the world keep promises. This man creates software, to protect this customer, who lives here and flies to hong kong, to visit this company that makes smart phones, used by this Vice President , this little kid, oops, and this obstetrician, who works across the street from this man, who creates software. They all have insurance crafted personally for them. Not just coverage, craftsmanship. Not just insured. Chubb insured. Lets legalize marijuana in this country. John lets legalize more than marijuana. Prohibition, the drug war has done more damage to people than even the drugs do. But gary johnson wont go that far probably because politically its too of a shock to peoples brains. Johnsons opponents say he wants to legalize weed bases pot weed. Johnson says he stopped getting high when he ran for president , and he stopped running his Marijuana Company. It sells marijuanabased health and beauty aids. He turns his company over to others. And the chairman of the company is a former superior court judge from california. You were a former drug warrior. You used to lock people up for using drugs. Now you are running a Marijuana Company . I first met gary johnson when he was the sitting governor of new mexico in 1999 and he came out in favor of regulating the control of marijuana. He got me into the business and im proud to be there. John how did you go from jailing people . You know, i saw in my own courtroom that we were churning lowlevel drug offenders through the system for no good purpose. Controlled substance is the biggest oxymoron in the world today. As soon as you prohibit a substance you give up your control. People who use these substances dont do any harm to anybody. As an adult, it makes as much sense to me for the government to control what i as an adult put into my body as i put into my mind. Its none of their business and gary johnson agrees. John Many Police Chiefs you say love the marijuana laws because it i am prove their statistics . Police are bureaucracies like anyone else and they are aware of their crime solving statistics. With drug crimes its a sophisticated approach. But as soon as you see a drug crime many automatically solved so it increases their solve rate by 10 to 15 . Another one of course is money. We have the federal government literally bribing Police Departments around the country and giving them criminal justice grants but they have to be used for drug who hi business crimes. Both trump and clinton want to keep the drug war going. In california there is something called proposition 64 which would legalize recreational marijuana. Would that be the end of prohibition if your big state california passes it . The odds are predicted 87 california will. As well it should. Its time to regulate, control and tax marijuana. I think personally it will be such a finger in the eye to the federal government that if they lose california, i think it rest of the country would go along with it. Then we basically go back to what our country was found on. A concept of federalism where each state can decide how to best serve its people. Another governor gary johnson attitude and hes absolutely right. John you mention taxing it. Gary johnson says some states have taxed it so much, its still black market. Colorado was a pioneer on this. Im told Legal Marijuana in colorado costs twice what legal does. So the black market is still a problem. They are dealing with edibles which is a serious responsibilities problem. But we are feeling our way along. But anything is better than marijuana prohibition. And we havent talked about the hem industry that is a viable industrial product. John requires been band for no reason and it doesnt get people high. But your candidate gary continues name a famous foreign leader and didnt know what aleppo was. People say his brain is fried from years of using marijuana. Lyndsey graham says gary johnson set back the legalization of marijuana 30 years. Its always easy to second guess. I can tell you gary johnson tells the truth. If he dont know something, he will say. I can tell you he may not be certainly the best politician, maybe not always the best candidate. He will always be the best president of the united states. He has shown that in new mexico. Worked well with people, reelected as a republican in a democratic state. If you elect either of the other two well have more gridlock than you have ever seen before. Gary johnson is the guy. People have that as an option right now. On the ballots in all 50 states. Look into him, hes the real deal. John donald trump and Hillary Clinton are old. They are my age. But gary johnson is younger and healthier. He even climbed mount everest. It was a wonderful day. Guess what guys, i switched to sprint. Sprint . Im hearing good things about the network. All the networks are great now. Were talking within a 1 difference in reliability of each other. And, sprint saves you 50 on most Current National carrier rates. Save money on your phone bill, invest it in your small business. Wouldnt you love more customers . I would definitely love some new customers. 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Gov the full value of your totaled new car. The guy says, you picked the wrong insurance plan. No, i picked the wrong insurance company. With new car replacement™, well replace the full value of your car plus depreciation. Liberty mutual insurance. Im also an athlete and adventurer. I have climbed the highest mountain on each of the 7 continents. John when he said that i thought who cares. I wants to know how hes going to make our country free, not how many mountains he claid. But maybe it does matter. It shows johnson unlike hillary and most politicians has a life outside politics. Unlike most politicians, gary johnson reamizes the earth doesnt revolve realizes the earth doesnt revolve around government. After i was the governor new mexico, id to get myself super fit. I was into being ultra fit. John instead of make money by becoming a lobbyist. He did iron man races around the world. He once ran a hundred miles through the rocky mountains, hardly stopping. He did the whole 100 miles in 30 hours. Later he went to climb mounts everest. My mothers mantra was reelects gary so he wont go climb mounts everest. John people die climbing everest. Welcome to everest. Welcome to the ice fall. Some of them were so wide you had to lad early into them and leards back out it was incredibly dangerous it was crazy. Reporter the climb took months. 4 00 there the morning, oh, man. Dave and i whipped out the new mexico flag. It was a wonderful, wonderful day. John but being a successful entrepreneur was a main selling points in his first run for governor. I with my wife started a business as a oneman handy man operation. And we have grown that into one of the biggest construction businesses in new mexico. I learned about sharing in the process, showing up on time, keeping your word. Reporter johnson was elected in a state where democrats outnumber republicans 21. So why isnt he doing were in the the president ial election . If people hate donald trump and Hillary Clinton, why dont they turn to johnson . 40 of americans have never heard of johnson. They dont even know that hes running. Also i think hes not doing well because he doesnt answer questions crisply. He stumbles around. I hope thats the reason. Not that people dont like libertarian ideas. How could you not like libertarian ideas once up hear about them. Next well left a conservative and leftist attack our ideas. In my lifetime i cannot think of one single instance where our supporting a regime change has resulted in things being better ive invested a lot in this game. And the returns i get out, are measured in reps. Competition. Sometimes its audibles. Bright lights. Celebrations. Its huddles. Camaraderie. And games played. At Td Ameritrade we believe the best investments are the ones that matter most to you. Every day starts better with a healthy smile. Start yours with Philips Sonicare, the no. 1 choice of dentists. 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It was cofounded by nate lerks rner. Eventually the sun will encompass the earth. He was just saying to obsess about Global Warming now makes no sense. I would disagree with that. I think Global Warming is an issue. We are seeing stronger hurricanes and record temperatures and we need to respond. John because of man made Global Warming . We can measure the number of Greenhouse Gas and Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere and they are the highest they have been in centuries. John we have had a quieter hurricane season. In your ad you criticize him for saying repeal obamacare. Obamacare is a big success any would say so yes. John Insurance Companies are dropping out. Overall it acheefds its goal. More americans have Health Coverage than at any other points in our nations history. It was to show the generation that elected barack obama that this candidate gary johnson does not side with him on this issue. John lets turn to the minimum wage. Hillary clinton wants a higher minimum wage. Right now its 7. 25. She wants sit to be 12 or maybe 15. Johnson said this about president obamas push to raise it to 15. I think hes missing the boat. Why doesnt he raise it to 75 an hour . Of course he cant raise it to 75 because pricings would go way up. Let the marketplace arrive at that. Minimum wage, its so easy to simplify it to that. But when you look at whats happening now, an average worker work at walmart has to go on welfare to support their family. Thats not right. Minimum wage is not the perfect solution but its the best one we have right now. It doesnt have horrible, unintended consequences killing jobs . If you look at seattle they are doing extremely well and their minimum wage is very high. Its popular but its dumb economics and seattle isnt doing very well. Seattle doesnt do badly, but the wage doesnt help. We are not going to resolve that here. Hillary voted to invade iraq. She pushed for regime change in libya. Approved drone strikes in pakistan. One to arm rebels in syria and enforce a nofly zone in syria which might mean shooting down russian planes. This is where gary johnson and i do side. But the alternative of donald trump as president is where Foreign Policy gets scary. Thats our main concern. We want to prevent donald trump from becoming president. If that means going after gary johnson, so be it. Hillary clinton is so much better in every capacity to donald trump as an alternative. The economist, a conservative magazine named him one of the biggest threats to the world order and global economy. Jaw the democratic coalitions antitrump add lists a lot of things he supports. He doesnt want more gun control, he doesnt want to lower the cost of college. Thats a smear. He would be happy to lower the cost of college, but your way screws taxpayers. Takes from poor people and gives it to th to the affluent. It was hard to fit that in the small screen. But if you look at the issues in general, they dont line up. I cant fathom how a Bernie Sanders supporter can vote for someone like this. In my opinion you are not a real Bernie Sanders supporter if you vote for gary johnson. John bernie wants bigger government and yawn on wisely doesnt. There are issues we agree on about immigration, civil liberties, gay marriage, prochoice, criminal justice reform, a lot. Absolutely. Hes a likeable guy and there is a reason so many millennials have been drawn to him. But when you look at his overall policy points they so strongly contradict Bernie Sanderss Progressive Campaign jaw thank goodness. Next ill debate a conservative who doesnt like it when libertarians Say Something like this. In my lifetime i cannot think of one single instance where our supporting a regime change has resulted in things being better than not worse. Bla is it a professor who never stops being a student . Is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own . Or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions . 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My concern with johnson is that he doesnt seem to understand a lot of the issues. I think the biggest concern for me with johnson i was willing to vote for him until a week ago when he equated our actions in syria to the assad governments actions in syria. That to me shows an unnuanced understanding of Foreign Policy. John he said that droning people, killing innocent people is similar. He didnt say it was equal. To drone a hospital, for example is a mistake. What assad is doing in syria is not a mistake. Hes intentionally killing. John do you dispute there is blowback. By having our troops in all these countries, it doesnt make people want to murder us . I think all these mistakes are hurting us in the Foreign Policy realm. We station troops in our country. If north korean troops were stationed outside my door, i may want to murder them. We keep a presence in south korea because if god forbid the government decides to declare war. We can go in for force and protect our ally. Why cant south korea protect itself . When north korea its entire economy is militaristic. And its based around starting a war with its southern neighbor. I dont think that on its own south korea can necessarily push that back. Its in our best interest as americans to pushback on north korea as well. First well bomb seoul and they will bomb l. A. John people are also unhappy with Gary Johnsons stance on marijuana. Do you admit to using marijuana . Im one of 39 Million People in that category. I havent had a drink of alcohol in 39 years. I maintain legalizing marijuana will lead to less alcohol abuse. I think the drug wars is badly orchestrated. But my issue with johnson isnt necessarily his policy positions. I seems to cheerlead for marijuana use in a way i find inappropriate. He was the ce to of a medical Marijuana Company. There is a lot of disagreements with scientists how effective medical marijuana is for almost any disease outside of a handful. So what. Alcohol does much more harm and Winston Churchill said i cant live without champagne. But that was Winston Churchill a long time ago. I wouldnt feel comfortable with any candidate saying i drink through the night to get through the night. Johnson did say until very recently he was smoking marijuana. And it doesnt seem clear he had a medical reason for that. Marijuana is illegal. We had a president ial candidate admitting to breaking the law. John he enjoys altering his mind as millions of americans do. How, i do have an argument with johnson where i think we agree. Should a Christian Baker have to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding . Part of freedom in our private business you should get to serve or not serve anyone you want. I think you should be able to discriminate for stink or you are not wearing shoes. But if we discriminate on the basis of religion thats doing harm to a big class of people. John it could do harm to a big class of people. Thats why the lunch counters that wouldnt serve blacks, they were forbidden to do so. I think of it from a personal standpoint. The bakers who were forced to bake a wedding cake for gay couples. If i had im jewish, if i had an antisemitic baker not want to bake me a cake, i would say okay i will take my businesses where and i will tell all of my friends that you dont like the jews and well see how it goes. John rather than gary saying everybody must sell the cake. I dont understand forcing people to go against their conscience for no good reason. Its not like we have an absence of bakers in this country or florists. John next, gary johnson finally gets angry about being smeared as a Foreign Policy idiot. Angry people would be callin me out on the names or geographic locations, names of foreign leaders when the underlying policy has thousands of people dying and that is unacceptable. Upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage. 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People have been jailed for doing what hillary did. She goaway with it because she is a powerful politician. Of course, trump is a deceitful bully who is disgusting on many fronts. When you are a celebrity they let you do it, you can do anything. Grab them by the [bleep]. Its bad enough that they are liars and nasty. But even worse, they have bad ideas. Shell speed america into bankruptcy. He will start a trade war, who knows what he will do. If ever there were an election thats smart to vote for a third party its this one. Send a message to the big parties we dont like what you suffer. Thats why ill vote for gary johnson next month. Not only does he have better ideas, but he is a better person than trump and clinton. He vetoes 750 times as governor. He stands up for limited government. Hes not the perfect candidate. He looked dumb when he was asked about form leaders and aleppo. But im angry that the media is so smug with their gotcha moments. Im angry people would be calling me out on the names of geographic locations. Names of foreign leaders, when the under lying policy has thousands of people dying, and that is unacceptable. John the is unacceptable. For the media to near he doesnt understand Foreign Affairs is misleading. Hes not a Foreign Affairs specialist but he understands our constant interventions make us less safe. But johnson would tell them the first answer isnt always to bomb as hillary seems to w our Defense Department would be used for defense. Its not just libertarians who think johnson would be the best candidate. A bunch of wellrespected newspapers have endorsed the libertarian ticket. The paper out with its endorsement of gary johnson. Shreveport detroit news endorsement called johnson the most responsible of any of the candidates. The Richmond Times says hes realistically president ial. Man the dark times, johnson and weld are a bright light of hope and reason. They are. They are reasonable. But when i asked you on social media what you wanted me to say on this show. One tweet was votes for johnson are votes for hillary. I reject the idea that a vote for johnson is a vote for hillary. Hes pulling votes from hillary and trump. Trump and hillary have come nowhere close to earning mine. A johnson vote could make a big difference in the future. They qualify for federal funding, maybe 20 million. Principled libertarians would probably refuels the money, but even if they refuse, more votes this year means more votes. And more people who know that there are other better options. Who is gary johnson . Hes the one president ial candidate whose principles, experience and fights for individual freedom. He gets my vote. Thats our show. Thanks for watching. Good night from new york. Kennedy brace yourself. We have new fox news polls. Plus drama aint over. More groping accusations against donald trump and more damaging Clinton Campaign emails. How low will it go . 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