Double and now it is time for jn stossel. [laughter] john men do get paid more than women. Significantly more. Americans on average, for every buck a man makes, women earn 77 cents. But theres one thing that every job has in common. Dudes get paid more for doing it. I have a daughter, i want her to be paiwhat shes wort i wonr, do we do the same jobs . Are women really discriminated against . Tonight we separated our studio audience. As they came in we asked the people to anonymously write down how much money they earn. Then we average the salaries. For the women, the average turnedout to be 66,000. For the men, 79,000. But that means for every dollar that the men make, the women only made 83 cents. That is more than the National Average of 77 cents. The difference ticks people off. President obama knows the women being paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the samwork as men is not just unfair, but it hurts families in mecca time to close that gap. John a dollar versus 77 cent what a horrible discrimination. Says the author of cult o power sex discrimination in corporate america, mark the a good portion is absolute because of discrimination. John why would the employer discriminate . Some of them dont pay enough attention and so they dont realize that maybe Frontline Management is making decisions that are not in the best interest of women. Some of them to think that they can get away with it. That goes back to the early 20th century when people pay women less because they were women and said so out loud. John you are saying that this is still going on today . Im saying that we still live in this legacy. Absolutely. Otherwise scool cafeteria workers and school custodians, why would those not be paid the same because they are the same skill level and entrylevel type of job. And yes, they make more because they are predominantly male. In the cafetea ladies are predominantly female and the job pays less. The same is true with parole ficers and social workers. Essentially the same kind of work, but parole officers make more money because they are predominantly male. John here is a picture of this man who was a young hippie who join feminists protesting. He was even the board of the National Organization for women. But then he got deeper into the data and changed his mind. He wrote why men earn more, the startling pay gap and what women can do about it. Did you decide its not discrimination . The pay gap is not about men d women but about mothers a fathers. There are so many work life choices that men and women made. Many of these lead to men earning more and can lead them to having a more balanced life, which usuly ends up being a happi life. He said women are smarter than men. John because the man is more willing to travel, sacrifice his family life for work, and women are more grounded and wellrounded . These people pay for what they need. And they are likely to pay more given the amount of education they had, working extra weekends. Would you say about that . I think the data is bogus. Everyone agrees that even in the maledominated jobs le nursing and teaching, men make more. I read a study by the american bar association. There is a huge gender pay gap. It helps to know that anesthetists earn money each year. If you are a nurse, you earn much less than not. Lets teach our daughters how they can outearn men. Saying that they foolishly choose our history not knowing . Well, if they are taught only about discrrmination or how likely they are to get a job, and they only care about the film and, we have to keep these tradeoffs. When you do studies of Business Owners who have mbas make only 49 of what others make the women say that they want flexibility and i want to be my own boss, i want to be close to home. John women are smarter and make better life choices. Well, mr. Ferro has said that motherhood is punished due to the choice that women make. Well, he has a point. But he didnt tell us the other half. That is being a father and being married actually help man in the workplace. It punishes women. We have a lot of data hat shows that the employer looks at the women even if shes not married yet and thinks of her as a potential mother. So maybe i better not hire her, maybe i better not pay quite as much. I certainly dont want to promote her because she might get pregnant and drop out of the workforce. John is he employer supposed worry about that . That is because the culture in our society punishes women for being mothers. There is no organize childcare, for example. Women start asking a different set of questions. Many say, what do i one of my life . I want to make more personal time or do i want more time to have children and women are more likely to say that i want a balanced life. So they dont go to the highest level because they are not stupid. John thank you. Recently Sheryl Sandberg wrote a book called lean in and she got attention for saying things like that. This couple of weeks ago we hosted a very senior gvernment official and these two women who were traveling. And i kind of said to them, come sit at the table and they sat on the other side of the room. Some were angry. But she puts the Justice Movement at risk, said one leftists who is upset about this and her not agreeing that women are victims of corporations. They say that this holds women back and not the way that women act. But her book did become a numberone number one bestseller. Does she have a point . Joest says Sabrina Schaeffer of the independent womens forum. Yes, i thought tht she did not initially lament the workplace culture, she didnt but offer offeror Public Policy prescriptions. She just talked about women that had a strong career path and heres here are several things you can do to better yourself. John so women need to be told if they want to advance in the company to take a seat at the table . The fact is that she picked up on gender differences that men and women are different in the more that we sort of recognize and accept those differences, the better we are. So she says that women dont negotiate their salaries, i was one of those women. My broth said he negotiated every salary that they had. Stephen are women committed . Not the women that i know. [laughter] they realize that a lot the battles have been won. After a wild there is a big sign that we are still having this conversation. But there is one place that i agree with some of the feminist on, i think that sandberg is a little bit out of touch. Heres why, i think that you look at recent studies only 23 of women say that they would prefer to work fulltime, let alone with a ceo way of life. Most women want some kind of balance. John to make a choice . All right, thank you, sabrina. [applause] coming up, is it true that women can do anything men can do john our battle of the sexes continues. First, pulling the audience, how many of you love sports . [applause] okay, slightly more men. Lets narrow it down. How many of you played a sport this month . Okay, all right. You guys. I think that is typical when it comesto sport. I think men and women can be different. Not all of you, but most ofyou. This is just common sense. But to say that is not politically correct. And it is utterly unacceptable in washington dc where politicians passed a law called title ix, which says that no person can be subjected to discrimination under any education program. That sounds good, discrimination isnt something we like and the Vice President says that title ix changes civilization. Empower women. Okay, well, sean is the former president of the association for girls and women. I would agree. Wasnt civilization changing . Gas. It has had a huge impact on our society today. So you were an athlete as a child. When he wanted to play soccer, there were overall teams. And you ended up is the only girl. Correct. By collegeage at penn state, there were some girls teams and i guess, there were som womens teams, but the teams that i played on, the soccer team was part of the status and we wanted to be a varsity team and get the recognition and support. At th time, penn state do not support womens soccer, so we filed a title ix complaint so that we would have equal opportunities. John i would argue that people were just waking up to what women can do atthe time and this could happen anywhere. If women wanted to play sports universities wouldve accommodated them. It wouldve happened very slowly. John why would the univeity not want to help these women . To provide activities in athletics that cost money. It really forced educational institutions to make sure that both the sons and daughters hve equal opportunities. John equal opportunity would suggest that wenwant to play sports just as much as men do. Do these say that they do . I do. Okay, so on average. I mean,women often have other interests. The girls talk on the men want to run around and smash into each other. On a different . I thi that we each have unique ways. Title ix really pushes the issues. Whether you are a man or a woman, you should have the opportunity to purchase that. I keep hearing about unhappy news and about title ix leading colleges to eliminate some mens sports teams. The university cut the wrestling program over title ix. This is one of 10 teams the school is cutting. John indoor track is one of those dropped mens teams. Unfortunately, the powers that be, they have chosen to base their decision to cut these minor sports because they are is an analyst amount of money. By cutting some of those sports, then a college or university has the money that they can support womens athletics with. I mean, this is should there be lawsuits that say you have to have equal numbers in dance and cheerleading and the yearbook and more girls like to do that . I think that is debatable. Vocaonal clubs, more women than men. Cheerleading, 19 versus 8 . Music programs. It is interesting. Well, again, that is the debate. How do you determine interest. I would ink the culture just changed. When i was a kid, my school was all men. We complained and princeton voluntarily admitted women. So once it was prohibited for women to smoke or go to a bar alone. We dot need this stupid law. We do, we need a lot. [laughter] all right, the audience has an opinion. We need a lot. We would have been waiting hundreds of years. We wouldve been waiting forever. Hundreds of years . In caveman and cavewoman days if we didnt push the issue. A lot of times what happens is a lot has to pass and social acceptance and social morals dont change for quite a wild after law is passed. John we will talk about this next. The battle of the sexes. Is there something in the brain that make boys and girls do Something Like this . Girls cared more about playing with each other, talking, cooperating. nnw hmm. [cell phone beeps] hey [police whistle blows] [horns honking] woman hey [bicycle bell rings] turn here. There. Excuse me. Uh. Uh. [indistinct announcement on p. A. System] so, same time next week . Well, of course. Announc put away a few bucks. Feel like a million bucks. For free tips to help you save, go to feed the pig john are there significant biological differences between men and women, outside of sec organs is that is. I was in college, i was taught it is unacceptable to say that. Men and women are biologically the same, and only because of sexist societies that causes boys and girls to behave differently, if we stop doing that there would be equal numbers of female race car drivers and male ballet dancers. I believed that, i did. Until i had children. And woke up and then did a report on abc news that got me in trouble. I said, boys and girls are not the same. Oh. We treated them the same but they were so different. I dont just mean my kids, their friends took the girls were more civilized. They looked you in the eye, talked to you, they cared about your feelings, the boys bang the boys wanted to go to war. Bang, bang the girls cared about playing with each other, talking, cooperating. You be the princess. John there were exceptions but the pattern was clear, n matter how sexniche neutral we parents tried to be, tte somehow power of the female brain agrees with that. Doctor, you conducted the biggest brain study ever done, and found . Female brains were more active. In about 85 of the brain. Women are really wired for leadership. If you look at the homes, and you look ating oing organizatioe churches they are the leaders, if not for this thing called children that derails their careers, they make great ceos, women, in our studies and also i point this out in the book, they are better with things like empathy, intuition, collaboration, and self control, women go to jail 14 times less than males, what many people would not think of as a strength, which s think circumstance the is, they hae appropriate worry. John this is wired . To the brain . This is not about parenting . T is wired into your brain. That when little boys are exposed to testest on ronnie and girls are not there is reshaping th happens early. Inside your mothers womb. John at conception we begin as same clump of cells except for y chromosome that guys have, they make mens brains different . Right, whether you have they chromosome or you dont, the level of testosterone you had. Begins to shape your brain in a certain way. John and changes you forever . Well, it makes a big difference. What is interesting, if women take testosterone, that is happening more and more, if they take too much they begin to think like a guy, they always think about sex, a have less empathy that can cause trouble. John hey ride motorcycles. I want to poll my audience here, how many of you have a good sense of direction . More guys, im seeing raising their hand than women that is my experience. Look at these experiments i reported on, this first one at university of rochester. Udents are blind folded then walked througed news the maze o. When womenre asked where a College Building is. They are not so sure. That way. John many retain a sense of what direct they moved. Through the next door, take a left, then a right, then a left. John and so on, another experiment at york university, students were asked to wait in a clutter room. When student did not know is that waiting was the experiment they were asked this tell me, every object in that room that you can remember. John women give answers like. On right side of desk briefcase with initials, and a mints and i am 40 button, and envelopes in middle. And women would go on, and on, and on the men would say, things like i dont know, there was some stuff so, doctor, this is a biological difference . No question. Memory centers of the brain, deep in the brain, more active, in women than in men which is why she remembers your first kiss. And every time your mother of rude to her. When women get an emotional memory, they have trouble letting it go. And often remember things you wish they would have forgotten. John i remember my first kiss. It reminds me of what happens to lauren summers, president of harvard he dared say maybe a reason that women dont dominate the way men do in the sciences, might be biological. He got drummed out of harvard just for saying that. He dbut it was but i think this was the wrong message. They were not perhaps as good or as competent. Their brains in this particular area of the brain are just as strong. But they are bore biassed to more biassed to relationship issues, so they are more likely to go into professions where they want to interact with people. John thank you so much doctor. When we return. How young reporter john stossel was clueless in general at coed schools. The boys get the better deals. The boys like they just they loudly say what they think, and if they are wrong, they dontu . Uh just gonna hang out. Its a school night. With gary and todd . Yea. Not sure about those two. Ive been meaning to ask you this is tougher than i thought ishere any drinking going on in this crowd . No. I hope not, because alcohol can lead you to say things and do things you that you really wish you hadnt. Isnt this what youre supposed to say . I know. So if any of your buddies ever pressure you to take a drink, just tell them you promised your dad you wouldnt. Id do anything to keep you saf ok. I will. I hope this is working. I promise. I love you too dad. They really do hear you. Brian . Yea . So start the conversation even before theyre teenagers. Good idea. R tips on what to say visit underagedrinking. Sama. Gov a message from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health services administration. John as our battle of the sexes continue, lets focus on school. How many of you like school . Iee more hands on the womens side. That was my experience. I hated school. When my kids were born, the message was that school is unfair to girls. That parents should consider all girls schools because boys are so loud, a dominant in classrooms. And that is what i found when i read a book to a class of first graders. Look what happens. This boy comes from the back of the class. To make a point. Soon there are three boys in my face. Commenting on the book. The girls stay seated. Who gets most attention in class, boys or girls . Boys. John why, bs . They talk more than the girls, the girls dont get called on. Too much. To class. They have so much energy. They are never actual tts quiet. John this girl had a theory to why boys are quicker to raise their hand. The boys, they very loudly say what they think, if they are wrong, they dont care. I assume that she was right because that happens to be my daughter that said that and prevailingheory at the time was that because of boys aggressiveness coed schools were unfair to girls who were overwhelmed by the boys. But maybe things changed today many educator say that boys get stifled i school. Psychologists leonard is author of boys a drift. Which argues todays schools are toxic to boys, doctor, your book said school takes boys motivation away . Boys of 7 and 8 years of age, say i hate school, and i ask them why, they say, jason and me were throwing snowballs we got in trouble. They said we could draw anything we want in art, and i drew a sword and get in trouble. John in trouble f drawing a sword. An amel today it is common for boys many schools have a were zero tolere policy, not only can you not bring a plastic replica of a gun but you cannot draw one. John to reduce violent. This is an assumption not based in evidence. The notion is that if you dont allow boys to draw a sword, they will become gentle fairies who want to talk about their feelings, it is not tru i was referring to disney fairies, okay as in tinkerbell. They will chew their bread into a pistol and i can give many examples of schools in u. S. Where a boy has chewed his piece of bread into a shape of a pistol he gets suspended. John when you were in school, you won a creative writing award. For writing a story in which east german refugees tried to escape it west germany one got his legs blown off in a minefield and died, then, i visited a school, very recently where 10 grade english was to write a story about what you want, a boy wrote a story about a winter 1942, from perspective of a russian sold o sold or patrol, and he described who happened. And how the head is explodes. And this boy was suspended from school. Boys doing things that boys have alwaysone. Throwing snowballs. Drawing pictures of a weapon, writing stories about traumatic amputation and death, they do what they have always done that gets you in trouble. That is where so Many American bays say american boys say school is for girls, the boy who wrotes about combat is in trouble. When i went to high school in ohio, 30 something years ago, the kids earning honors, at the awards, the editor of newspaper and yearbook they are boys. Now they are all girls, we den go to 5 5050, we swung the othr way, when did boys decide that argue is not something that boys do. John you grewp in a sexist girl. Now it is more equal, girls took over and because they are smarter. No, the boys decided that being in a debe club is uncool it is aligned with the academic objectives of school, what is cool with boys is next level in call of duty, and the schools d not understand telling bys, i dont want to read the story that you want to write, i want you torite about your feelings, write about how you file, if you were not invited to a party. What happens, boy say, instead of writing about battle i will wrote about how i would feel . They say, no im not going to do, that school sucks, im going home and play call of duty. John these are touchy issues, our audience would like to question you, and our other guests, then well confront and myths about gender. Are women worst drivers are men man all in together now we can make it better, can we do it . Well rope up chorus cause we know how to jump well cut it down cause we know what to eat announcer moving a little and eating better every day can help make you and yourhild healthier. Search we can to find out more. John were back with your questions for my guests, leonard saks, says that boys areecheated by american schools, shawn latta said we need government to provide equal sports for boys and girls in schools. Why is no one talking about fact we have to physical standards between men and women in military, and Law Enforcement or Fire Department . Are we equal or not . We do have different standards that is biological. If you look at physiological differences like hormones, men have a greater capacity of muscle mass. And to be stronger. John should men have ann advantage in Fire Departments and combat . The average man, but there are women who have greater stngth than some men. John why not have one test . Those women with equal or greater strength they get in but we have women get to do fewer push ups, and run the mile more slowly, why that fair . They have other skills, that can be beneficial to Fire Department. John to audience. In terms of business and technology. Of the e innovation is still mostly from men, even though women are graduating from college in greater numbers. And getting master. What do you think of longterm effects of this on the economy . You raise an interesting question, what drives innovation. Steve jobs, the greatest innovate or of our generation was a college drop out, and bill gates was a college drop out, economic achievement does not correlate with innovation. Look at where women place their efforts many get bachelors and masters in fields that are not necessarily the same as men, men choose computer science, where we see tangible results, in terms of innovation. Women with english, they are going into these big tech firms, sheryl sambergs, and of ibm and microsoft hired a they are the exception. Right but they are influencing this. John who has mic. You said title 9 you felt was necessary beyond social changes, if not for that we would still be in stone ages. I was wondering how you explain a new sport mixed martial arts and caged fighting there are already females without about law that requires them to do that. You know how did this come about thout a basics change. Title 9 was passed in 1972, it is over 40 years now it has impacted social beliefs. And so now john the law changed peoples attitudes . It opened the doors for women to have an opportunity. Is it still necessary. Get rid of it. Absolutely not, because, even so the National Womens law center estimates ast least 70 of colleges and universities are still not in compliance with title ix. John the boys want to play sports, if i play football i know it will happen, if i throw it to girls, okay. John were out of time, thank you, leonard, shawn, and sabrin coming up, women drivers and fe laundering men. We testnnx . Z . noz . Z . w john finally, a couple of myths about differences between the sexes, is true women are brad drivers bad drivers, what do you think . How many of you think that raise your hand, that women are worse drivers . So the men not the women say it. Well, i say as wh all these missions there is some myths there is some truth this video, en watched more than a million times illustrates what i think is true. Women often just are not very good at maneuvering a car. Maybe about brain differences relating too depth perception. But in this parking lot, a woman trying to park again, and again, but she just cannot get into the space. Finally a manets out of his car, switches places with her, and he is quickly able it park her car. He gets back in his c. One come on the web site said, women should be in the kitchen not at the steering wheel. But, when it comes to bad driving, what is the best measure . Parking . Not really. Driving without hitting things, matters more by that we men aree much worse. Much more likely to crash a car. This is a graph of deadly Car Accidents since 1975. The good news, that total has gone down. Either cars are safer or most everyone driving better. Or both but the clear difference between the two lines shows, that men crash cars more often. One Research Review put it men drive faster than women, or more likely to speed drive drunk or run stop signs we crash twice as often as women do. And u. S. Men cause 71 of all deaths on the road. Now. Men dri more miles than women, but when miles and driving hours are factored in we men still get in to more accidents and hurt more people. You have to say, women are better drivers based to that. [applause] but men are more likely to be unfaithful to cheat on their partners, so, is tha true . I asked audience, how many of have you cheated on your spouse or boyfriend . All right you are not going to give me a honest on answer, surveys, suggestion that men are more like likely to cheat, evon may be reason for thousands of years women queu knew her childn were more likely to survive if she chose a man to stay and help her take care of kids. By contrast men were more likely to pass on their genes if they had sex with a lot of women and fathered a lot of kids, today were tol women want a committed relationship, and men variety, right . I am sorry that i did not live upo what was expected of me. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Joe likely to cheat. A cainian institute found that men are more likely to cheat, and numbers are close, it not just a guy thing, this is our show, more myths in my book. Often what we think we know is just not so. See you next week. More of this. Are taxpayers finally saying enough is enough . A new fox news poll vealing 74 think americans are too dependent on the government and not enough on themselves. This as entitlements and benefits explode sending the nations debt out of control. So time for vacationing politicians to cut their break short and get to cutting this. Hi, everyone, lets get right to it. Here they are. The bold aulls and bears this w. Welcome to everybody. So, john, do americans have it right . Yes, they absolutely have