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They want to hurt trump before he comes overseas for the historic series of meetings that no president has tried to undertake. Thats whats going on here, pulling the curtain back and seeing whats happening in d. C. U. S. Markets seeing through the d. C. Fog. The dow closing slightly lower, nasdaq having second Straight Record close and s p 500 hitting alltime high along with tech stocks, google and amazon. This, as the white house is fiercely discounting another report that President Trump revealed classified information about an impending isis Terror Threat to russian officials. Welcome to risk reward, im Elizabeth Macdonald in for deirdre bolton. Cia director mike pompeo is briefing the house intelligence committee. Were monitoring that to speak to the press afterwards. Well bring you that. The Senate Intelligence Committee Held a closeddoor meeting and senators spoke to the press with more questions than answers coming up. Staying on that story, too. This, as the white house fires back at Washington Post report that the president gave russian officials classified info, allegedly putting ally, israel at risk. Meantime, israel is reportedly the source of that information. Given to the people, u. S. Officials are investigating for meddling into the election. Thats what the controversy is about. Health care reform, tax reform, infrastructure reform on hold. Remember the Obamacare Health care reform bill passed. Seems like a distant memory. H. R. Mcmaster attacked the Washington Post today. Watch. I stamp out the statement i made yesterday. The premise of that article is false that in any way the president had a conversation that was inappropriate or that resulted in any kind of lapse in National Security. That conversation was wholly appropriate to the conversation, and i think wholly appropriate with the expectations are of our intelligence partners. All of you are, of course, from the threat from isis, all of you are familiar with the territory of controls. If you were to say from where do you think a threat might come from territory that isis controls . You would be able to name a few cities, i would think. It was nothing that you would not know from open source reporting in terms of a source for concern, and it had all to do with operation recognize that already ongoing, have been made public for months. Liz Geraldo Rivera joins me now. Good to see you. Thanks liz. Liz what do you think of all this . On the part of the president of the United States, my friend who ive known for four decades. I believe he has a tendency to e spontaneous to his detriment. I do believe that, for example, he should have stayed focussed if he was meeting with the russians, why in the world you would choose this time to meet with the russians . The optics, just after firing comey, investigating alleged collusion between the Trump Campaign, why would you meet with the russian. The fact he then in the meeting blurted out what could arguably be labeled a secret and that it leaked, i think, is unfortunate. I also think, liz, this is my headline today. There is no doubt but that the president gets the most hostile, unlelentingly negative press ever. He has a bullseye on his back. Liz for impeachment, to stop his agenda, win the house and impeachment. Impeachment in small i to reduce him, to make him seem incompetent. Its very unfortunate. In this case, specifically, you know, did israel tell him that the isis terrorists had invented a way to put a bomb in a computer and that he didnt want to share it with the russians . I hope so, i hope he would share it with the civilized world. Liz that information has been out since pan am flight 103 came down in 1988. The New York Times, i want to bring this to you. That israel was the source of the intelligence that President Trump allegedly shared with the russians, geraldo, israel reaffirmed that the two countries maintain a close counterterrorism relationship. They said this the president has a big trip to the middle east right now. Is this going to run over, whats going on now, is this basically going to steam roll over what the president s trip . Going back to where i started that the presidency seems in chaos because the president does not stay on message. But the unrelentingly hostile press will jump on any stumble he makes on this trip. Trip isnt so daunting. I mean, i get that hes with saudi arabia and israel and the vatican and protocol and all the rest of it, but hes a smart man. Hell be able to do it. If the press gives him a break, they have to cut him a little slack. Liz to your point, the press is saying this damaged israel, an ally. Do you think it backs up the white house claim that no harm was done . Look, i dont know what the secret was. Im assuming as it was reported it was about the capacity of isis to use computers to blow up airplanes. In 2015, egypt as we know tragically lost a civilian airliner taking off from the egyptian sinai blowing up a russian aircraft blowing up by terrorists. I would hope they share it with everybody. This is the kind of thing, this is enough of these attacks, i think the Washington Post liz isnt the point to fight terrorists . Thats exactly right. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Russia and the United States dont have to cooperate in all things but have to cooperate in this thing, defeating isis. If he has information, the president of the United States, that can help the russians defeat isis or hurt isis or sometimy the plans of isis, thats a good thing. Liz Laura Ingraham says leaks are the main problem. Watch. This problem continues to plague this administration, and whatever they need to do to stop irresponsible leaks or disgruntled employees from rushing to the media, they ought to do, because they are the ones who are compromising our international relations. Liz and President Trump saying earlier, i have been asking director comey at the fbi and others from the beginning of my investigation to find the leakers in the intelligence community. Geraldo, is that the proper role of intelligence to find leakers . Ive never been a fan of the leak story. I think its starting to obscure the larger story, was there collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia . Thats the big story. For the first time ibelieve the leaks are the bigger story. I believe the president of the United States should have the right to talk to the Russian Foreign minister and cue him into something vital to both nations, indeed the entire civilized World Without him hearing something said to the russians and the next minute getting to Washington Post. That is tragic. You have to have privacy, you have to have the ability to be a politician, a world leader, you know liz theyre saying hes incompetent with intelligence. I dont buy it. Whats happening is you have a malignant media looking to tear down the president of the United States, thats unfortunate. Liz print media stocks down, gannett which owns usa today lower. In other news, some media are publishing quote reports that are turning out to be false. Such as these reports. Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein threatening to quit turned out to be false. Also report that fbi director james comey requested extra resources into the investigation in russian ties. That was not true, according to andrew mccabe. Cnns claim that strump, quote, under investigation, not true. The timing of cnns connection of Michael Flynn to comeys firing, turned out to be not true. Reports of Anonymous Sources and misleading information. Just think if you are President Trump and you know 20 of the best reporters in the country are out to kill you. In the Washington Post newsroom or the same thing in the New York Times. We have to allow this man to grow in this job. He needs a restart. I dont know if hes going to replace sean spicer with sarah huckabee. Liz the White House Leaks are extraordinary, right . I think that the president has to look into the camera and say to the american people, i havent been perfect, i have stumbled but im trying my best, growing in the job, those mistakes are part of the past now. When you hear these people snitching me out or ratting me out when im trying to be president ial, its unfortunate and take it with a grain of salt. Liz we have the media comparisons to watergate, watch. From the days of watergate. The whole echo of watergate. This is Richard Nixon on steroids. Liz fair comparison . Absolutely unfair. It is preposterous the comparison. I was the first one to say where is the crime in russiagate. I hear you got this stuff, it would be great if it was leaked. Watergate was a burglary and the people it was a felony burglary and people lied about it, including the president of the United States. Thats what brought down president nixon. Nothing like that here, the comparison is intellectualy dishonest. Liz the three fbi probes continue without comey and the seven oro congressional probes into russia meddling also continue. Next up, big tech stocks hitting alltime highs, amazon finishing at a record close. Since the online ipo in 1997, look at this, amazon up almost 50,000 . Statistically off the charts and insignificant to say it. 50,000 . Alphabet stock having second record close in a row and the 21st of the year. The stock is up nearly 22 year to date. Next up, the New York Times, Washington Post, the l. A. Times all agreeing that what the president did was perfectly legal. Which has my next guest wondering why is the press continuing to focus on trump rather than the leaker who he says actually did commit a crime . Hes americas one of americas top legal experts. Hes jordan sekulow, he speaks out next, dont go away. Break through your allergies. Try new Flonase Sensimist allergy relief instead of allergy pills. It delivers a gentle mist experience to help block six key inflammatory substances. Most allergy pills only block one. New Flonase Sensimist changes everything. I count on my dell small for tech advice. With one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. Think about what is right now compromising u. S. Interests. In my view, what is compromising u. S. Intel interests is a seniorlevel intel officer, intermediate level, we dont know who mcmaster talked, to hes not going to reveal that, clearly and subsequent reporting seems to be the one who got the ball moving down the field last night in a Washington Post report. That is really disturbing, that is a crime. What the president did in the Oval Office Even the critics are saying there is nothing illegal here, he has a right to do that. Lets say its true what the Washington Post reported. What is a crime is what happened with the intel official, if the official got the information to the Washington Post. That could be a crime. Again, the leaks inside this administration are hurting both their functioning and the security of this country. Thats not what was said in the meeting with lavrov and kislyak. That is ridiculous. Liz conservative radio host Laura Ingraham saying President Trump did not do anything illegal giving information on pending terror attacks to russia, and says the person who talked to the Washington Post did break the law and thats making our country less safe in the process. Earlier today, Trump National security adviser general h. R. Mcmaster said the same thing. The real issue, and i think what id like to see debated more is that our National Security has been put at risk by those violating confidentiality, and those releasing information to the press that could be used connected with other Information Available to make american citizens and others more vulnerable. Liz were tracking media stocks including print media stocks, closed lower today. Joining me American Center for law and justice, the chief counsel jordan sekulow. Hey, jordan. Hey, liz. Liz the Washington Post, the New York Times and the l. A. Times agreeing what President Trump did was perfectly legal. Should the media focus on the leaks or what the president did, what do you think . I think focus on the leaks would be nice from the media. Instead what were seeing is the left, and i would include most of the Media Outlets like the Washington Post as part of the left, they try act like the leaks are really just a distraction for all of us that we use who support President Trump or republicans or conservatives use that as a distraction from the real issues. That is not the issue at stake here. There are saboteurs inside the cia and nsa and these are master manipulators, you give them readouts of a meeting, if they want to undermine you, they can. The white house has to be prepared, one to what will come out of the erdogan meetings, what readout could happen there . Russia is a hotbutton issue more than turkey right now. Thats first. Second, weve got to see prosecutions of the leakers. I imagine, liz, that the government bureaucrats as high up as they may be to get the info, if a couple went to prison and had homes raided, theyre not going to do that anymore. Liz looks like crack down on free press and all of that. Thats not cracking down on the media. The media can report whats leaked to them, thats fine. But the leakers are actually violating the law. Not reporters, not going after reporters like the obama administration. Liz i hear what youre saying. I want to read this to you, jordan, Hillary Clintons private email server utterly dominated coverage of the 2016 president ial campaign, that obsession led us to elect a president far worse on the narrow issue of information security. But jordan, is that fair . I want to play the sound bite for you because the fbi james comey found that Hillary Clinton was grossly reckless and negligent in leaking top secret or being reckless with classified information, lets watch. 110 emails in 52 email campaigns have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information. Eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent. 36 of the chains contained secret information at time, and 8 contained confidential information at the time. We cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. Jordan, the narrative is that the president is talking or, quote, the media saying this reckless with intelligence information about places like his florida estate. Is that fair to compare the president saying that about him with what hillary did . No. The headline in the Washington Post, the president cant leak classified information. Thats impossible for him to do. Why . He can determine what classified information to declassify at a moments notice and share with whoever he would like. He has a unique power as president , liz, to do that. Secretary of state clinton, former secretary of state clinton, did not have that cover. She did not have that power. That solely rests with the commander in chief and article ii of the constitution backed up by 1988 Supreme Court case. No, its not a fair comparison. This was a private meeting where someone inside the government leaked information. Liz jordan, the Washington Post admitting that the president s firing of james comey was legal, saying, quote, its legal, according to a series of Supreme Court decisions interpreting the executive power. President s generally have the authority to remove political appointee in a line agency, it will. The media casting doubt on this issue as well. Yes, every step of the way, every trump decision is a way for the media and the left to i think distract us from governing. So were not talking about the meeting with erdogan, which is a key partners, getting very complicated in the battle against isis, and hes there. The past turkey at the white house today but still focusing on russia. Not talking about health care in the senate. Tax reform is not being discussed this week. What are we talking about . Russia again, and information we knew was out there about the airlines, whether it involves israel or not. Israelis said they stand with the United States, they need the United States, the saboteurs inside the government are working lock step with the reporters and the Mainstream Media to undermine this president , and i think people like general mcmaster, who are excellent at what they do as a National Security adviser and military role, as much respect as theyve had, liz, theyve got to realize theyre dealing with people who a year ago may give deference and never pulled this on them who now will undermine them. Thats a wakeup call for the Trump Administration officials, not just the president , its them. Liz oil settling above 48 a barrel, down about 19 cents as Traders Await data on the u. S. Crude inventory stockpiles. The average National Gas Price stick at 2. 34. Next up, democrats not stopping with President Trump. Theyre starting to question veteran general turned Trump National security adviser h. R. Mcmaster after he voiced his key to defense of the president yesterday and today. Bringing in retired Lieutenant General Thomas Mcinerney to voice his defense of the general. Thats after this. Dont go away. Liz welcome back, defense stocks ending mixed after Administration Officials defend President Trumps disclosures to russian officials. Also weve seen mixed action defense stocks for a couple weeks now. This as republican Barbara Comstock of virginia demanded classified briefings for congress to know basically as much as what the russians got from trump. And also democrats criticize the president s National Security adviser general h. R. Mcmaster. This is all what fox news Chris Stirewalt calls a big red meaty steak thrown to democrats pursuing the trumprussia narrative. I thought the statement of mcmaster was sad for him, for him to be able to come out and speak in that way. Liz this as businessman turned senator david perdue said this on fox business this morning. When general mcmaster said something didnt happen, it didnt happen. This is the shiny object of the day in the media in washington. I want to get back to the debt, the budget upcoming and the president reengaging, isnt it refreshing we have a president reengaging around the world. Hes going to saudi arabia and israel among other stops. This is a president on the move right now. Liz with me now, retired Lieutenant General tom mcinerney. Good to see you, general. Good seeing you, liz. Liz general mcmaster told reporters what was said during the president s meeting with the russian officials to. Him to makes sense and making sense to a lot of conservatives out there. We dont have the sound bite, do you . No, we dont have it. Essentially saying that the president didnt break into laws, what do you think . The president didnt break int anylaws. He did what most president s do talking to foreign leaders whether russian or others and trying to work a deal, i dont want to get into the specifics because i dont know the specifics but trying to get to help them support us in destroying isis, and theyve made a big mountain out of a molehill, and why the Washington Post did this and why tom bossert called nsa and cia, i think thats where the leaks came from, thats how the system works, and those were mistake that i think were amateur on the amateurish on the white house side. The fact is theres nothing do with National Security of any value and the democrats are making a big issue of it again, liz, to hide their problems with Hillary Clinton and barack obama. Liz you know, general, we have general mcmasters sound bite, lets take a listen. Id like your reaction. The president was meeting with the foreign minister about the terrorist threat. He also raised difficult issues, what we expected in terms of different behavior from russia in key areas like ukraine and as in syria, but then the president was emphasizing. We have common interests here. We have to Work Together in critical areas and have area of cooperation with transnational operations, isis in particular, where a Russian Airliner was taken down. Were at a point where the media and certain critics of the president want him to stay off narrative and stay off message. Hes about to leave on this historic trip to the middle east, to the vatican, this is a big deal trip, and anything they can do to knick and scar him up before he goes over, there they will do. The democrats are trying to embarrass the president , throw him off his game, win the house and impeach him . What do you think . All of the above. Laura said it very well, theyre trying to get into his cadence and the cadence of the white house and what hes trying do in the senate and the house and the National Security programs, all into the things that are moving so well or relatively well in some cases, but the fact is he is making things happen, liz, and theyre trying to break this cadence. Its almost sadition by the Mainstream Media, the Democratic Party and insiders left over from the obama administration. They ought to get rid of anybody that was here before the 20th of january. Liz why is it sedition . They are doing things that are hurting our National Security. When you bring up a case like this and start peeling back and open up certain issues, in this particular one could have been highly classified, but the fact is theyre starting to dig into areas and leaks start coming out about other things that shouldnt come out. And its the leaks that is the in my opinion, getting into the sedition, thats a criminal violation but what the media is doing and the Democratic Party is doing that is bordering on sedition. Liz general mcinerney, thank you very much, and thank you for your service to our country. Thanks, liz. Liz shares of Red Robin Gourmet Burgers up 15 , the Company Reported betterthanexpected First Quarter earnings and sales. We also have jackinthebox leaping 10 afterhours as it evaluates potential alternatives to this company that operates in franchise. Reporters tweeting out the newsroom in d. C. Was, quote, cheering after the trumprussia leaked story took off in social media. Well bring you the details. Dont go away. 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They succumb to trump hatred that is so intense it destroyed their judgment and some cases affected their character. I see it all the time. Normal people see the president s sdmraus they exist, they see crimes and conspiracies, the rest of us may complain trump is undisciplined, fair. Wow, atomic weapons, amazon Ceo Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post for 250 million in 2013. Amazon stock hitting another alltime high today. Online retail giant closing up sweetly, less than 1 . 966 a share there. Bring in the political power panel, angela and al, good to see you guys. Hi there. Liz angela, first to you, one thing to be proud of ones work but applause . What was your reaction when you heard about that . Yesterday was a deplorable day in journalism and today is deplorable day in journalism. You have a great man mcmaster who is a patriot to come out and say that our president did not leak anything. I think that the liberal Mainstream Media, as the gentlemen that came on earlier said theyre trying to break into Donald Trumps cadence, he has the courage to stand up to the enemy. He went against his fear you. Mean isis. The enemy. He had the courage to stand up against his enemy. He had the courage to bomb the heck out of syria. We have a president being a commander in chief but we have the liberal Mainstream Media thats trying to ruin him and in essence ruining our country in doing that. Liz what do you think, al, does tucker have a point . Hes guilty of the exaggeration hes guilty of claiming the democrats have. What are the underlying facts . Al, what do you make of the point of the Washington Post newsroom applauding and cheering . They were applauding the fact they broke the alltime record of readers, not the fact that they did something to the president. How do you know that, al . Come on. Heres what we know, it was a record, alltime viewership and they applauded. Liz how do you think that was the only thing they applauded. I dont, but you two are impeweding liz im mot impugning anything. I believe the reporters were happy they could try to bamboozle the public on lies. Im talking about the facts. Heres more examples of the media taking aim at President Trump. Lets listen. I was on your show last fall showing how they were going to win michigan and how they were going to do it. Whats the line between service to the president and service to the country, sir. Three words from the days of watergate, obstruction of justice. Donald trump in much of his rhetoric and many actions poses a danger to american democracy. Liz angela, weigh in on this, what do you think . Again, what liberals have done in the past, theyve try to bamboozle minorities. They dont care who they lie to. Al, i used to lobby you in the day. We loved the telecom industry, loved the media and journalists. It is deplorable for guys liz are you using the word deplorable for a reason . Yeah, i am, using hillary stuff today. I am a liberal who doesnt hate the president. Ooh he did leak information that may have endangered spies. Who knows that . Were you in judge napolitano was on the Network Earlier today talking about this. While i love the judge, i love the judge israel is not staying damaged the relationship, i have this information, sit tight. The New York Times is reporting that Anonymous Sources say President Trump asked then fbi director james comey in february to close the probe into Michael Flynns the New York Times has not seen a copy of the memo. The white house never asked comey or anyone else to end the investigation of Michael Flynn. More Anonymous Sources, Quick Reaction from you. Listen, if youre going to name an anonymous source, make sure its a good source, and i love judge napolitano and what he said. None of us were in the room. Liz i havent seen the memo. Havent seen the memo. And ive seen so many analysis. People saying our nsa director did the wrong thing in calling the head of cia. If we have leaks within the intel industry and they dont like donald trump, well, then, quit go to angelas point, another 5 30 drop, the swamp is fighting back. Im being funny there. That is funny. My point is if the president wants to declare war on the media, he should expect people to fight back, whether right or wrong, and maybe hes going to get a little bit of what he dishes out. Liz we have taken the president to task for attacking fake news and the independence of journalists. You are terrific for coming on the show. Have us back again, together. Liz we will. If trump shared classified information, it would be very damaging, did you hear President Trump offered the same thing . Details next. As soon as i left the hospital after a dvt blood clot, i sure had a lot to think about. What about the people i care about . Including this little girl. And what if this happened again . 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Breaches like this will get americans killed eventually. There is no better way to put it. Liz of course the media analysts and democrats saying if the president shared classified information, it would be very damaging. Trump supporters point out as president , president barack obama, its a different story. President obama offered to give isis intelligence to russia and that point wasnt raised today in this coverage. Joining me former bush 41 Campaign Adviser mark serrano. What do you think of the comparison president obama offering in exchange for concessions from russia . Other examples too, liz. President trump cia director leon panetta released information, you know, that was classified. Liz what do you mean . When . In, i believe it was 2014, shared with a hollywood producer about the bin laden raid. You know, the vice chairman from the joint chiefs of staff got in trouble sharing information about Nuclear Facilities in iran. You know, there was the chief station in afghanistans name was inadvertently released by the obama administration. When these things have happened, the media yawned, snored. They didnt care. Hyperhypocrisy is incredible. Collusion in washington are between the media, the democrats and now the deep state which brings into serious question our National Security leaks taking place in the white house. I hear what youre saying, leon panetta revealed the navy s. E. A. L. Unit name. And information spread around u. S. Intelligence agencies so that ratchets up the likelihood of leaks. We have this update for you, mark, id like your reaction. White house provided a statement on the New York Times report saying expressed view that general flynn is a decent man who served and protected our country. The president never asked mr. Comey and anyone else for any investigation, not a truthful portrayal between the president and mr. Comey. Mark, should be pointed out acting director mccabe said there was no interference here from the white house. Correct, and liz, this New York Times story doesnt even they claim their source is a memo that they havent even seen. Liz how do you fact check that . You cant thats the point. The media, including the Washington Post story from last night and this New York Times story today, they have sunken to a new low and the democrats have sunk down to the bottom of the swamp with them. Thats the problem. And our National Security is at risk, and the New York Times is claiming that israel was the one that provided the information that was revealed to the russians the other day. Again, other National Security breach. If they claim it of the president which clearly didnt take place, when they do it, its okay, and the democrats accept it because theres a collusion between the media and the democrats to destroy this administration which harms america. Liz mark, youre a sharp thinker. What is going on with the leaks, just your personal thought, before we have to go . I believe there are people inside who want to destroy this administration, theyre all too happy to release them and serious effort has to be taken place as mcmaster said to find the leakers now. Liz mark serrano, good to see you. Thanks liz. The Appeals Court decision of President Trumps refugee pause coming down tomorrow. Administrations attorney arguing judges should not be in the business of psychoanalyzing the president s rhetoric on the campaign trail when he calls fair shutdown of muslims entering the country. Form an administration and we shouldnt start down the road of psychoanalyzing what people meant in the campaign trail. Liz you know who is in the business of psychoanalysis . He is dr. Keith ablow, hes here. Arent you excited . Whether he agrees with the president s attorney or not. Thats after this. Dont go away. You always pay your insurance on time. 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Psychiatrist and author dr. Keith ablow agrees. Good to see you, doctor. Good to see you. I do agree. Liz you say people say things for many reasons, is that the argument . Especially in the heated environment of the campaign, people say a lot of things, think of the environment, people cheering, you need to appeal to peoples emotions. We have almost hobbled our countrys discourse with political correctness. Now we have judicial correctness . So everything you say, you have to be very careful. Would this be what i would legislate . I better curtail my opinion, speak it just like a courtroom or in chambers of congress or literally the Supreme Court. No what we have to do is understand that when people assume the oath of office, they then also do things that they think are responsible and measured, and may not reflect at all. Liz but you have the counterargument that the president and then candidate biased and muslim ban, a ban of all muslims, the judge said you cant take campaign statements and bring it into the campaign where the refugee pause and Chuck Schumer said in 2015 we should have a pause. If somebody said on the campaign trail, i wish there could be a World Without any arms. I wish people didnt need guns and say you know what . Im not going to ban these particular guns, and people say, wait a second. You said you wished there could be a world with no guns and now you seem to be completely reversing course. No, no, no. Listen. Now were in a political context, judicial legislative arena, im behaving responsibly. May have said a lot of things, now i have the weight of the office and the world on my shoulders. You cant judge that action by the campaign trail. How about 20 years ago, go back to academic thesis someone wrote. Liz and, you know, didnt president obama basically build this temporary pause from the seven countries . You say to your point irngs youre saying politicians engage in hyperbole, did Hillary Clinton do the same thing on the campaign trail . Everybody does this, everyone does it. Listen, human beings are one thing, then imagine if a lawyer entered the courtroom behaving that individual did before entering the courtroom, right . Theres a whole different way of being. Theres a different language, theres a different scripting. The president is abiding by that in a balanced way, and the idea that he once said something about a muslim ban and is now president and theres an actual piece of paper with facts on it that delineate the legislation, thats what to judge. From you cant go back here and say this is contaminated. Its the message, not the messenger. Liz thank you very much, dr. Ablow. Thanks for coming on the show. See if the amendment comes down tomorrow. 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Liz the New York Times is saying President Trump was asked to check into Michael Flynn and he wassed the f. B. I. To drop the probe. David asman is here with making money. You are watching making money. The white house denying a New York Times report involving former if f. B. I. Director james comey yet again. The times reporting comey penned a memo saying President Trump asked him to end the investigation into Michael Flynn. Reports that the president shared highly classified intel with mution diplomats last week, that information was leaked to the Washington Post