Was it could . To like this . Thatis our show tonight. [applause] and now john stossel. John food can kill. People will eat the wong stuff may get sick. Its while mostveryone says we need government to set some limits. Make sure there is not bacteria in your food or dangerous chemicals. To make sure Food Companies tell you what is in their food and how fattening it is. State legislator fel ortiz has done that in new york city. He got trans fat man, calorie counts posted at mcdonalds and other fastfood places. Now he wants a ban on adding too much salt. Soyou think he saved lives . Absolutely. John okay. Afarmer. He grows vegetables dollar raises cows, chickens, and pigs. I assume you want the people who buy your beef and pork to be safe. So dont we owe him a vote of thanks for saving this . No. I would say youre killing me out here. Trying to get my stuff to market. This plethora of government regulations, you know, is killing our farm and our ability to come to market. John you are just a greedy businessman and dont care if people died. Lets go through some of the ways that assemblyman ortiz has saved the chance that band. That is od news. John you wann a tax on junk food. The carbohydrate product that is in the market. We are giving the consumer is the choice to a choose whathey want to consent. John good food would cost less. Degree food would cost more. That is totally correct. John orange juice and apple seized on food . Well, i dont believe they are. John more sugar tha coke and pepsi. Well, we will cross that bridge when we get here, but i will tell you this much. I like my apples and oranges. John you also helped get to these calorie counts posted at fast food places. That is correct. John go into mcdonalds. No, this merely calories command that helps people. We have monies, they make their choices based on what they see. We have managed now to see a wonderful numbr of decrease in people suffering from obesi and diabetes. John decreasing. Moving in that direction. To mcdonalds and burger king and others are more responsible. John a real study has been done on this. You can say, it doesnt cost that much to put up a little entellus with a caloe count is. And why you did a test they went into fast food places that the law went into effect. Oh, yes. Great that we can see the calorie count and theyre paying more attention. Indelicate the receipts and saw that they were eating more calories. Well, let me just say that the best thing that we can do is stepget the consumer the choice, the option. John wrote a book titled everything i want to do is illegal. [laughter] right. [applause] de. John what is your point . My point is that every time the government penetrates into the food system the abuses mount up from the big guys and little guys like us get routed back from the table do to a smothering bunch of regulations. Government interventions come at the result of wind things it out of control. I Health Care Costs to go 150 billion. John its his body. He can make his own stupid choices. I never believe that im hurting anybodys freedom. John you are banning things. You suppor the ban on the soft drinks. Well, the big soft drink is important to realize that we need said you have children at the age of nine. They suffer from hypertension as a result of too much soda, too much sugar as a result that people are not taking their own responsibility. That iswhen government jump into it. John how can you say youre leaving them your toys . Youre not. Well, they should be glad. Were trying to do it. John this is dangerous. Too big. Depending how many of those you have. John illegal. Thats the reason i have the surchargon it, to make sure that people get dicouraged from getting this kind of items. John and you want to [talking over each other] john it baena said drink this size. [talking over each other] i think that is a great idea, and by will continue to support my mayor. John you want to ban extra salt. This is a very important item that we need to discuss and talk about it. Wh you talk about having too much sodium on products, were talking about a stroke, a hypertension. Governments can tell you yo cant eat the soda or salt, the same government that kentucky you cant an alternative treatments for cancer therapy. A government that decides that it can tell you that you cannot make a risky decision is a government that can deny you the right to make al decision. You cannot have both. John last point. You support the mayor. You support his ban on that basis, shelters. One man who donated for 20 years was turned away when he tried to give bagels and carrots. You didnt not know the salt and sugar content. [laughter] let me just make something very clear about what i support or dont support. Sometimes i go to restaurants and have my wn choices. I asked the waitress, can you tell the chef to make sure there is no salt and my items. And i make those choices. And john you dont want salt i cant have solved . You still will have your choice, but at the sam [talking over each other] limit the amount of salt into your plate. And saving your life in the life of the peopleof this nation. John thank you so much, felix, for seven my life. Joel, thanks for giving me more choices, which i prefer. Currently is our government are certain it is their job to help us exercise, eat less and lose weig. More must be done to get healthy food and support neighborhoods. My next guest is t author of the hundred six which says that the and salty foods are drugs, like cocaine and math and need to be kept away from kids. Dr. Pam pq teaches medicine at the university of maryland actually believes that food is like coke and mass. Not food, just certain foods. And john salty and fatty. Sherry, vatican and salty foods that have bee studied by worldclass scientists at the National Institutes of health. What is fascinating, what to do with all of that. I will tell you something. I have been staunch allies abou this. John what does that mean . Board is the role of government when you find that that n certain people when you have exposure to a lot of these refined process foods, not apples and oranges interet and the rest of it, but the other stuff. In certain people it really, you know, based upon very credible brain scans and excellent work really works on the brain and the reward center just l very susceptible to this. He is what you need to do. If you take lets just take that bottle of nasty stuff there. Lets just say we take that right there. If you say that i cannot have a 16ounce, what am i going o do if i ave an issue like food addiction . Im going to score in some other way. You can charge me, make me run around with 8 ounces instead of 16 ounces, but somehow i am going to score this thing. You cannot do a thing about that john you are against the ridiculous soda size thing, but you do say in your book, make three programs available to get people to detox and get off these foods. I didnt say it was government. I said, can we have programs. There are already in existence right now, all done by private organizations. Overeaters anonymous, food addicts anonymous. John not governments. Nothing to with government. And we actually agree about that. I told you. [laughter] john un delighted. How about the other issue. I am told there are food deserts where poor people live and we have to inite supermarkets in, give them tax breaks o maybe pay for it because they cannot get fresh food. That is why they are fat. Ever since, you know, that original ms. Missed came out about the food doesnt we found out that by doing research it really was not true at all. And they actually do have the supermarkets. You still have a choice, and we are right back to where we go again. I want a ground surge of citizens out there who are highly enlightened about this too can finally get on out and do something for themselves. Ey are the ones with the choice here, and they need to be doing that for their families as well. John voluntary. Nutritionists. John thank you. Coming up, our taste test. To you prefer beef steak or zebra steak . Our audience will weigh in. Also, are you ready to eat some swine . [applae] you stl thk youre colder than me . Nah. Don tell me. Tell tiny [ ice crackling ] [ knuckles cracking ] and who are you supposed to be, backup . Handle it. What you looking at . Ha catlike reflexes. Whoa [ male announcer ] the coors light Silver Bullet pint. Its bigger. Its resealable. Its still the coldest. Dont you do it. Dont you do it [ male announcer ] frost brewed coors light. The worlds most refreshing beer cannot talk about it because they have sued abc. It is outrageous. This Company Secretly peddles this horrible thing called pink slime, and they wont talk about it now that they were caught by those heroes at abc . Except, speaking of food but, what i just said now is of her bunk. And meat is safe. What abc calls pincus line is safe. Explain. Well, when the polite word. Abc went on a crusade. Three nights in of rope. The first three minutes of their broadcast they said that term. John well, why shouldnt they . Because its not. Its ground beef. I have been to the factory where they manufacture this. I am a city boy. John there is some of it in here. Im going to eat. We have all eatenit. A couple of activists did not like this scientific process that separates the beef trimming so that you get the remaining ground beef. The point of this term deliberately to try to hurt this product and company. John the company was doing something unique, taking the last bit o a term of meat off the bone by heating a slightly. That saved money and the environment. And not only that, tired of hearing that argument. Everybody, abc constantly, eat a leaner beef, worry about your health. So when we tried to eat it did take that away as well. John not using it wastes 5,000 cows a day. They said the term pink slime 178 times either on their broadcast or with jim antelope. John then they started taking it back. They started out. This is classic. They said, a term commonly used. Then, of couse, what you find is it is not. Washington post, new york times, one or two times at most that they had ever used it prior to that. John what is the agenda . Well, always the activists who are pushing against the food in general. What happened was this comes from a movie. A lot of the bad things in society come from mvies. Shooting to put out by Participant Media so there were so proud of this process just amazing to look at. Thee let these people and the videotape. You dont dare let anybody videotape anything because they demonized. John the Company Closed three out of four plants, laidoff workers. In the economic down is far worse than that. John has not been a single incident of anybody beig hurt. And what the industry calls it is just lean beef trimmings or finely textured. No slimy than other parts of beef. The company here hasreceived awards for how good a job they do for consumer safety. It was just one constant is a job. John and that the company is suing abc. I dont like that. That is saying we disagree and you should just shut up. There ought to be some other way to fight back. But the free speech, we have a right to be foolish. They dont have a right to slander or misstate things. John somebody was. We reported that. And the reason why they sued for over a billion dollars, the reason why they sued, we told you this was factually incorrect. We told you you were isparaging our product. What they tried to dubai targeting the supermarkets and the Companies May use the product, theyre trying to shut them down. John for the record, if you are upset about what abc said, you should know that there is all kinds of stuff in food that probably would bother you more. The fda says in a jar of mushrooms the size there can legally be no more than 20 maggots. And a box of raisins there can be no more than 35 fruit fly eggs. And this much pasta can have up to 45 bug parts. Im not saying any of these do, but that is the law. Most of these products have been set parts, things that ae far grocer then finally textured beef. It is an organization that wants to get you, and it will. They did. Thank you. I invited my old abc bosses to come on this program in response, but they did not respond. Coming up, a taste test. Passing out samples of zebra and antelope meet. Which tastes better . Should we even eat that . If so, then what about a horse or dog . What are the limits . That is next. John we eat lots of peace in america and chicken, but what about coors or zebra . Why dont we eat those . Arent the kind of like cows . Some of you shudder at the idea, and it is illegal in some places like california and illinois. Conventional wisdom says it is not right to eat a zebra or a water buffalo or a horse. So how many of you are repulsed or bothered by the idea and would not do our taste test . A few of you. Okay. It is just wrong. Well, that is bought, says the chef at Beaver Creek Ranch in texas. Beavercreek is a resort where guests pay to have zebra, water bualo, and this cute animal. They eat what they kil command they eat it after it has been cut by the chef. So at their ranch people come for this. They are not squeamish. Right. Fourteen different varieties of animals. Pick out which one you want t hunt for. The harvest the animal, bring it back and cook it. John people say it tastes good. And its better for you because it is leaner. I have been a cheffor years. It beef from the Grocery Store verses cooking as zebra, if you cook it and put it on the grill there is so much more fat. Its a lot more ne. You have to do more to it, baby it, tenderize it. John lean means tough. But if you add fat to it, good fat like a jam to blackberry jam and coated with that and then grow it in you get a whole different taste and healthconscious. John you put no limit on what you would eat. Horse, dog, cat. John can you understand why some people are put off . I do. John before tonights show we cut some zebra and a kind of antelope. And, as you saw, we offer samples of it to our audience. Which is better . And people tell the difference . We did not tell them. We labeled the meet a, b, and see. Let me ask you. Who like a . B . C . Roughly evenly divided. I think see get the this led to the food pyramid. Now Michele Obama tester new version out. This is all based on settle time. We found this clip of the government scientist behind this, testifying on senate. We will plead again orley here for more research on the problem before we make an announcement the American Public. I would wait until every last shred ofvidence is in. John politicians, as usua, sold us a bill of goods. That is one way to look at it. Basement we are about to engage in this huge nutritional experiment. The American Public is the subject and 30 years later we have gotten sicker and sicker. John there is much more information about nutrition and not getting fat come and we are fatter we are more diabetic and fatter. The it can all be ixed with good science. John you have a book called good calories, bad calories. But i know that a calorie is a calorie. The reason we get that is because we take in more energy than we expected. It becomes a unit of heat. Protein, fat, the different types of carbohydrates, the glucose from fructose sugar, they all have different effes. Whether or not you will store calories as fat order there will not the calories come up with a hormonal effects of the food. How much energy bring to us. John but the u. S. Department of health says a calorie is a calorie. It just hasnt been tested. One of the things we did when i started this organization. John this being . The utritionist study. We went back to world war ii to every scientist that attempted to answer th question. We found 82 studies that have attempted to answer that. They were all probably the same limitations and problems. In 2012, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence. A calorie is not a calorie, necessarily. John one thing that absolutely must be true if you should eat less fat. Yet you eat lots of fat. And youre a doctor. A stanford doctr. Whats that about . Like i said, three or four years ago, when i got to the point where ms. Chu overweight and my wife said i needed to be a little less not so thin, i realized that i probably had a carbohydra intolerance issues in all of whole grains and things that i was eating were probably leading to be becing fatter. And if i stripped that stuff out of my diet and i ate more fat, believe it or nt, all of the metabolic derangement that was underpinning my propnsity to gain weight would go away. Lo and behold, it did. John you are not fat now by getting fat. The question is, what happened to peter . What happens to a lot of people in a totally . They get rid of the carbohydrates in the diet. They add back fat and they lose weight. Is that a bizarre anecdotal event that just happened . Is a common . Maybe its the nutritional vice we are all getting is wrong. Back in the 60s, these people would eat their carbohydrates, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, its all inherently fattening. John you have a pce of bread and butter in your book. The idea is . Is used to be that the butter was considered halthy and the bread was considered fattening. In our government came along and decided that it was the butter that was fattening and the bread that we should all be eating. Then i coincides with an obesity epidemic. A. John they also said the margarine was that view . Actually they said margarine was good for you. John they said eggs are terrible, but now they are okay. The reason for the living and flopping back and forth is because of the kind of resech we do. John why we do this . This is important. We can use laboratory rats. You give them the food and it does what it does anyone even a doubleblind test with people. Yes, its take this pill or take that pill. When you study nutrition its actually very hard. He sent people home with a diet book. We really cant measure what we are measuring. There is a gross incompetence that has led to this ambiguity anyone thank you both. Coming up, did you know that the coming budget cuts will tell you . Youre going to die of Food Poisoning . That and more foo here come the [ cap twisting off ] hey, yo . i lost audio. What happened . [ ice crackling ] what . . Oh, it better not be whats going on . Its time to put a stop to this yaye, yaye [ male announcer ] the coors light Silver Bullet pint. Its bigger. Its resealable. Its still the coldest. Get out of my booth [ male announcer ] frost brewed coors light. The worlds most refreshing beer. John we are back now with your comments or questions on my death. They include former dole and doctor peter, and doctor peake, who says that you can be addicted to food like people are addicted to cocaine. Our first question is about modified foods and gm of goods. The people voted no on a, is that terrible . You want to know . Is there any hard evidence to support worries over general foods . I say that i should be able to label it as gm all free. We dont need more laws, we need freedom john you cant label it . No. We dont need another labeling law. We need the freedom to do what we were on the label and let the market decide what we want to be one of the good answer. What is the idea of empty calories and are they more addicting than healthy calories . Usually the empty calories are the refined rss. Suddenly you when realizing it has no major nutrients come and apologize. John we are eating more of this stuff all the time and we are living longer. If you want to know something, its all about choice. If you want to have that empty calorie on top of a cookie, knock yourself out. As lonas you dont end up eating everything checked out around here. Some people do that. You just have to use your own common sense. You know your body better than nybody notice. [inaudible question] is acrosstheboard . It strikes me is almost impossible to believe that every human being on earth is going to do equally well in the exact same diet. I hope that the future of medicine and nutrition is one where we can customize and tailor things based upon both peoples genetic susceptibility to certain diseases, and what we call other genetics, which is other things that influenced you up until this point in life today. Doctor, what you were saying, your ideal diet. Is it something you are advocating . Is interesting. I think that labels are always a little bit confusing. What i would say is that when i figured out was i had a pretty significant intolerance most of the foods i was eating. What i when i eat it probably looks a lot like what someone consumed in a paleolithic time. Though i dont particularly adhere to a particular set of rules. I will give you an example. I think a hardcore paleolithic peperson for me it does well. It comes back to the theme this theme that we are hearing. At the end, the individual level is where we dig out what works. Its really good to have science that informs us of you know youre making a reasonable starting ss where to go. There is one glitch to that. That is youre a guy. When women have been studied with these dietary intakes have had more trouble because women are little bit more carbohydrate extracted. Therefore, they will last about, i dont know, several weeks, even that long, on a strict diet like this only taken about 10 carbohydrate. Women start bumping it up a little bit. A lot of this has to do with our blueprint and her makeup. When you look at the research, what we havent seen enough of is the gender differentiations and what we can now do to be able to help you and customize that based upon gender. John on that note, we thank you all. Coming up, the truth about food safety. If the government ha no interest in telling you. John did you read your copy of Food Poisoning bulletin . It once a that the government spends less. Foodill be less safe because of a less vigilant fda and marginal companies. Helping to cut corners. The blazing midsummer sun beating down, cattle intends whose ist flesh and batsmen like the creators of hell. We get the drift. It was bad. Then we got billions of dollars of government regulation and that is why coetzee today. Uv. No wonder, when republicans proposed a small cut of the funding, hello would poisoning. Sanitation costs money. A lack of regulation, a competitive disadvantage. That makes sense. It is food bulk. Its not government that keeps e. Coli to a minimum. It is and mcdonalds and jackinthebox. They lost millions after fd poisoning scandal. Here is getting a Bad Reputation that makes the producers even more careful than government requires them to be. For example, an Agriculture Department has an army of inspectors eyeballing chickens on Assembly Line they wched each bird looking for viible signs of abnormality. But bacteria is invisible. Food producers run much more sophisticated tests on their own. One employee has 2000 more safety regulations passed then the government. A 180degree steam vacuum. Production is checked for sanitation with microbiology. If anything is detected, they reclaim the equipment. Equipment is taken apart to be swat tested. None of that is required, specifically, by the government