not something that i have ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy. in fact, my view's quite the opposite. >> it w just over a week later on m 24th that the department of justievealed that an affidavit giving the department of justice access to fox chief washgton corresponde james rosen's e-mails was quote, approved at the highest levels, including discussions with the attorney general himself. and to gain access to those res, the fbi and justice attorneys had to sign an affidavit that effectively accused rosen of eionage by labeling him a co-conspirator. house judiciary committee chairman b goodlott said a pointed letter to holder demanding answers to a number of questions regarding the attorney general'role in the rosen scandaand his departmen spying on as many as100 reporters and editors at the asassociated pre his letter read quo, it imperative that the committee, the congress and the american pele berovided a full an accurateccount of your involvement. the white house press secretary, jay carney today, who has been caughtn a number of misstatements and contradictions of his own, if not outright lies, today claimed that holderestimony was truthful and that president obama still has the utmost confidence in his attorney general. not all liberals agree with the president. prominent left wing scholar and george washingto university law professor jonathan ty wrote a scaing op-ed in today's "usa today" . he called holder the president's quote, sin eater, while calling for his firing. this follows calls in the left-leaning huffington post for holder to go as well. the department of justice reacted by reaching out to washington, d.c. bureau chiefs of major print and broadcast organizations to set up a meeting with the attorney genera to talk about changes to the j's guidelines for news organizations'subpoenas. a source close to the attorney general telling fox news that the a.g. regrets the breadth of throsen and associated press inquiries. an official department of justice statement read quote, the a.g. realizes that things might have gotten a little out of balance, and he wts tomake changes toe surehe rules fully aount for the balance between the first amendment and law enforcement. not exactly a bouquet of roses extended by the attorney general. for more on the white house scandals and whether we can expect accounbility from this administration, radio talk show host monica crowley, fox news dital politics editor, chris steinwald. thanks for being here. monica, let me begin with you. this reaching ut to the press by the attorney general, if there were ever a clearer act of desperation, what could it be? wl, it's ha to find one, rit? so far he's offered his quote, remorse and now he's offering face time to reporters to try to put out his side of the story. it's a little late for that. this attorney general is really to his eballs in a whole range of scandals. his answers have not been forthcoming. there's no truth telling going on so what heopes to accomplish byeeting with these -pbureau chiefs is something le open. >> as we reported, chris, this -- the attorney general straight out said that he was not involved in anything that would be a potential prosecution. is could be a more outright misrepreseation of the reality by any imagination, could there? >> well, unfortunately for the attorney general, this i one of those situations where the only dense ends up being one of incompetence or neglect, where you are able to say we, i didn't read it or i didn't know, i signed it but i asn't aware. those are the nds of statements that you have to make in this case to avoid a perjury charge a and congressman goodla and his committee are going to be very good at holding him t account on this because their goal more than anything else, yeah, they're pushing on the perjury but they want to know how many jurnalists over what period of time and how many phone lines, how many e-mail accounts. that's what they want to get to. >> to chris' poinn, monica, the reality is we have no idea how many journalts the justice department has spied upon or records were seized to follow and trace their traffic, whether it be in communication or whether be their physical location in washington, d.c. or for that matter, any part of the country. >> right. >> does he actually survive this? >> it's a huge outstanding question bause weave two tracks here. first of course w have the james rosen and fox news case which is the case question here. but prior to that, we've had the exposure of the associated press and the justice department going after 20 phone lines the that cover about 100 porters and editors of the a.p. so t question is how many journalists, that question has not been answere what were you really hoping to gain by this. the surface story is well, they were going after leakers and they wanted to procute national security leakers, but there's an underlying idealogical reason why they were goingfter the press which is an attempt to really intidate and silence not only those reporters t potential whistleblowers on stories like benghazi and the a.p. and fox news. >> chris, does the attorney general survive? no, but the question is when. and that's t big one. attorney general is not a position in which sody generally stays a very lon time. mr. holder's tenure by comparison is ng for an attorney general. he surprise many in stayingn into the seconderm and not like hillary clinton excusing himself after re-election. so here he is. i bet obama wishes that holder would have retired already so he could have taken muc of this with him, but instead, he stayed, so he can't leave now or it los like a isis, and who in the heck would the senate confirm under these circumstances, so mr. holder has to drag his feet, go slow, wait for this to die down, and then find a more opportune moment to slip out. >> theres a lot of pressure building on the attorney general. you see not just republicans holding his feet to the fire, doing these investigations, but now you see lt wing journasts, you see left wing ople like jothan turley, who you reported on earlier, the huffington post also calling for his resignation, but there's only one person whose opinion counts when it comes to eric holder and that's the president of the united states. the second the president deems him a political liability, lou, he is gone. president obama has shown no mercy en it comes to people who become innvenient to m. >> i personally can't think of a person who has become liability to the extent of eric holder. there are all sorts of articles about him being the president's altar ego. i don't know if any of that amounts to anything but i do know this. the president himself has a credibility crisis. the president himself has a crisis of confidence on t part of certainly congress, and we have a president who is effectively willing to run off to chicago as he is tonight, and raise money as a way to, well, toistract himself. thiss not a hpy time. >> democrats areoing to need all that money the president raises tonight and every penny more because 2014 is going to be a rough run and eric holder's not going to make iteasier. but as to his bng the alter ego and all of that stuff, it's important r not how makes barack obama feet for what the president's base thinks. the president is less concerned about what republicans say. he's more concerned about what s activist base says, the folks who got him re-elected. they like eric holde if the pesident is seen cashiering him under republican pressure, there will b an uproar the president doesn't wanto have to handle. >> an uproar. it would an uproar that would be somewhat inconsistent with thpresident's approval ratings which in the most recent gallup poll are at 50%. monica, your thoughts? >> well, it usually takes a long time for people to payactual attention tocandals and enough to start asigning blame. usually the american public is very reticent about assigning blame to a president. it took months for the watergate scandal to gain traction, months for the clinton scandals to gain traction. so we're still in the early days of this. the president is in a ique position as the first black president. he's very insulat by this press and continues to be, lou, so it may be awhile before this starts flicking up on to him but it will. trust me. >> chris, you get the last word here. >> i think there a lot of truth in that but i would say is, that the president has a strategy here. it's to go slow, ag his et, get in the bunker, stay in the bunker, ride this out. whether that works for his fellow democrats who have to run for re-election, i don't know. >> thank you. thank you, chris. monica, thank you. ackers stealing u.s. lita secrets as defense hawktry to pus the united stat into conflict in syria. national security experts k.t. mcfarland and general jck keen mcfarland and general jck keen assess america's nexmove. no child is a lost cause. because a stable loving family can help any child succe. i don't think i'm a lost cause. i'm just a kid. if you agree, nd out how you can help. at youth villas.org rning to the syrian conflict, arms race may be bring as the united states and russia try to bring the assad gime and opposion leaders together for peace talks. joining us now, former pentagon official, fox national security analyst, k.t. mcfarland, general jack keene, retiredour sr army general, form army chief of staff. he also a fox news military analyst. and it isgreat to have you both with us tonight. k.t., let me start first, the spectacle, if you will, ofhe senior senator from arizona ing to syria to talk out arming the rebels. your reaction. >> we do not belong in the middle of somebody else's civil war. it is a great tragedyut before you talk about armi anybody, what's the objective, how are you gointo achieve that objective. this is not going to be something that's easy or quick, d i think the story you had when you opened this broadcast, chinese hackers, hat's where we ought to be payingattention to. syria's important but the chines stealing trillions of dollars of american intellectual capital and defense capabilities is to a far moreserious problem. >> then i'm confirmed in our lead. >> you indeed aae. >> thank you so much. genel, your thoughts on syria as well. >> completely disagr. if we never want tbe involved in anybody's civil war, we would never ever back any insurgencies or try to unterinsurgencies and we'vedone both of those. i think largely for pretty good reasons. the fact ofhe maer is no less thanecretary of state clinton and director of the cia petraeus both believe thatt's possible to arm the rebels and still achieve some outce. i don't believe it could be decisive now, because time is on the sid of assad, and he early is on the move. and frankly, i believe this administration and others are paralyzed by the fear of aerse consequence. thefe, the situation's hopeless and there's nothing we can do about it. quite frankly, we can do something about it and i also would take down assad's airflds and take downlots of his missile systems. i wouldn't establish the no-fly zoneyet. i don't think you need to do that. but what the tipping point here militarilyhich would rn the tide if we wantssad tgo would be stop his air power from flying. once that happens, the momentum will shift rather quickly. doesn't mean we ow what the political outcome is going to be. we don't. that's reality of it. we do know what we get if assad stays in pow. >> the syrian rebels, setting a 24 hour deadne for hezbollah to withdraw from its support of assad, is ere a possibility that that deadlin would be met? >> no. >> what ishe u.s. interest? >> no. look, syria is now like the bar scene in a "star wars" movie. every bad guy in the univee is there. there are over 1,000 rebel grou, the predominant ones, thmost powerful ones are tied tol qaeda, they are al qaeda affiliates. any threat that anybody's making right now is not going to happen. i think these guys are in it to fight to the finish. if i could just say, related to general keene, i respect greatly what you have to say but when you say you don't know what the political outcome is, haven't we just seen in syria, you knock off a dictatornd what do you have in his place, chaos. you see it in egypt, pull the rug out from another dictator and what happens, economic and political chaos. i'm not sure that this is a situation where we want to goin yet aga and roll the dice and hope that well, maybe it will be better than what we have. assad is a murderous thug. he will rot in hell. but the thought that we're going to now get involved in another war in the middle east where we don't know what the political outcome is, i think that's short-sighted. >> i'm goingo turn if i may very quickly to the issue you raise. i want to understand why now. we have known that thechinese are carrying on with their front companies and cyberattacks assaults on u.s. intellectual capital, whether it is under the control of our military or whether it's under the control of the prite sector. for literally two decades. why now, why is this information leaked, release how did suddenly the "washington post" get its has on this and to what end, what purpose this administration? >> i thk it's reaching critical mas it's now to the point where every one of our mar weapons systems has been hacked. in the case of t f-35 fighter, they found out, they hacked into it, got the informatio phey put one out on the assemb line and on the tarmac beforwe could. so i think you're seeing a lot more of again because it's reaching critical mass. >> general, you get the last word here. your thoughts on that issue? >> well, i think we got to take the gloves off here with china. thprivate security company that exposed this a number of weeks ago could have exposed 20 different attacks. they actually d the pictures of the people who were doing it. that's how much we know. sten, we know at the chinese are doing. we steal their intelligence, they steal our technology and intelligence. we have got toexpose them for what they're doing and we're unwilling to do that, quite frankly, and until this administrations willing too that, theye going to keep on coming. the fact of the matter is they do not want public exposure. they believe they have deniability because of cyber, you don't know who theackers are. put it out publicly who the hackers are. at least tell the chinese, look, we're going to totallxpose you unless you change your we and >> we are going to say that this is a test. a threat to the entire world. a deadly super bug that has no known origin, no known cure, and kills at an alarng rate. dr. mark siegel with the chilling details about the novel coronavirus. the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card to flhome for the big family reunion. you must be garth father? 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that's the real story about sars. it the fear, it's the panic. so now i see on tv everybody saying this could be another sars, and i' thinking well, but sars wasn't as bad as people said. why ialking about sars. it's the same kind of virus, a coronairus. guess what else is a corona virus? thcommon cold. the common cd which doesn't kill anybody. >>hen i look at e symptoms of this virus, talking about a cold or flu-likesymptoms, coughing, i think my god, h many illnesses have those as symptoms. it's going to be awfully hard to identify. i think to myself wait a minute, wait a minute, the wld heah organization tellingus that there are 49 cases. this is ptty good, because we're a planet of over seven billn people and they've come down with9 folks, they know how many of them have died, this esn't sound right to me. what's going on? >> exactly right, what you just said. what's going on is it's too early to say anything like what she's saying bec we don't en know what somethin called the attack rate is. in other words, for every person at gets one of these things, how many other people get it, and until we see it actually spreading llke that, we can't assume it will. most of these new viruses d't stay as deadly as the spread, they peter out. either they don't affe a lot of people -- >> that's some solace -- >> no, it should be. because again, every year, there's one of tse and the real virus ere is fear. i'm not saying, i'm not dismissing this virus. it nee to be well studied but you know what, we have the scientists to study these things right now but we need a mixed message here. we need a message of information, we'reooking into it, we're studying it, we're figuring out the dna, we're even publishing the dna on theweb but it is not clear that this is going to end up being a worldwide scourge. the chances ar way against it becoming a major problem. >> when i think o the idea of panic, whether it be globally or otherwise, what in the world can one do if oneedid panic, the fact of the matter is we're dealing wh science here. science is now identifying, medicalciee is identifying this virus and what i am curious about is now the reporting that's suggesting that this is at an abnormally high rate mutatingng to the point that its absolutely resistant to antivils. kind of put that in context for us, if you would. >> okaa. first of all, everyone loves the word mutating because 's a fear word, another fear word. all viruses are mutating all the time. >> we can call it change. >> no, i'm not saying -- you described that accurately, again, but the problem is most of them mutate or change in ways that make em less harmful, not more harmful so i don't assume that because all of these virus are chaing all the time they're going to become more harmful in terms of treatments, antivirals don't work against these corona viruses. if they did, we would have a cure for the commonold which is a corona virus. we don't have vaccines or treatments against them but most of the time, they don't sprea like wifi and become a threat. i think it's worth watching this virus and worth studying it. i don't see a vaccine coming againsit because we don'thave a vaccine against thcommon cold. >> that's a wonderful point. all of your points are wonderful and terrific, asalways. dr. mark siegel, we know what your motivation i and that's the truth and reality and sharing as best you ca your knowlee of medical science. wouldn't it be nice to be that smart? i would like to be that smart. >> you're pretty sma, u. >> dr. mark siegel, thanks for being here. attorney general eric holder accused of lying under oath. who should investigate americs top law man? let's see what you got. -- covered. why would you pay for a hotel? i never do. motorcycles -- check. atv. i ride those. do you? no. boat. house. hello, dear. hello. hello. oh! check it - [ loud r&b on car radio ] i'm going on break! e more you bundl the more you save. the house judiciary committee investigating whetr torney generalric holder lied under oat earlier this month. at issue, holder's claim about whether he knew about prosecuting reporters under the espionage act. >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material,hat is not somethinthat i have ever been involved in, heard of, or would think would be a wise policy. >> wel we now know it washe attorney general who personally approved the search warrant concerning fox news' james rosen. joining us now, former prosecutor leis weil, arthur idella, both fox news legal analysts. looks to me like the attorney general lied. >> i think that's plain and simple, he absolutely did. he said he didn't have any knowledge of it but you see the search warrant was signed off. he was given wrong information, that's the only reon he signed off on that warrant for rosen's e-ma addresses and he signed off on it, went to the very highest level. now he's saying he didn't know about it? arthur, good luck defending that one. >> excuse me. >> i'm just saying. >> talk about coming out of your rner. >>sn't this your former agency? aren't you a former united states attorney? ah-ha! >> i never signed off on t >> that looks like a straight-out open and shut ce. >> i've had clients who get threatened to go to jail for a t less than that. a lot less than that martha stewart went to jail for basically the same exact thing and e's a layperson. he is not oy an attorney. he's the attorney general. he is supsed to be prepared. there's no excuses for him to have a lapse in judgment. >> this guy said i don't know in one fo or anoer 57 times. >> right. >> god lord. >> either you signed off on it or you did not. he signed off on it. >> your former agency is supposed to prevent people from lying, went in front of the most prestigious panel and lied. >> thank you. you agree with me en. >> i ree that ur former employer messed up and should be punished, the same way you always want my clients to be punished. >> there is agreement, then. yes. there is agreement. >> let'sroce to -- we got a lot on the docket he. >> lou, you know what's interesting. >> i know about docks. >> the's the fox issue that has pushed the whole associated press subpoena le under the table. meanwhile, that's a whole other issue in and of itself. >> the associated press happened a week before we heard about rosen. that was already there. this is now the second time, maybe the third because of a cbs reporter as well. >> we don't know how much experience that this torney general has in, one, gng after the prs because this -- these court documents were sealedor a year ana ha longer than they were supposed to be. >>ight. >> the judge, by the way, apologized for that. >> yes that's why said the judge got bad informaon, got false inrmation. you're calli a correspondent a criminal. i mean -- >> to be fair to the judge, what he had in front of him was this affidavit that holder -- >> who sign that affidavit? who signed that fidavit? the u.s. attorney? >> no, fbi agent. >> and the fbi agent. bothcorrect? >> right. correct. >> the attorney brings it to the judge. there were many u.s. attorneys now former saying this should have neverhappened, it never would have gotten through the layers before it even got to the u.s. attorney. >> you know why, you had a bunch of true believe in the room, okay? >> i don't know what the believing is. that's the issue. >> they didn't believe in the constitution of the united states. they sure as hell didn't believe in that, did they? >> well, what -- >> maybe should call th true disbievers. what do you think? >> to think that they didn't realize as they sat inheir cloistered room and brought this to the judge, i'm not blaming the judge complely because he got bad information, that they wouldn't get caught. talk about mrtha stewart. you don't think ou're going to get caughh for something like that? are you kidding me? you're talking about fox news. >> let's back off here just a bit, too. when i said true believers, i mean true believers in a political sense. the reason i think we got a pretty goo case for that is the attorney general had to shop this deal around looking for that judge. so i don't thi there's much wiggle room even for these folks who ma a living out of wiling. >> the term that's used in the law is chilling effect. >> chilling effect. >> you're not supposed to create a chilling effect for the media to do their job. james rosen to pick up the phone and call who he need to call to do his job. >> it's not just james rosen or fox ws. it's a.p., cbs, everybody, everything. to tell a reporter if you do your job, we're going to come after you and call you a co-conspirator. >> the reason cbs is because of sheryl atkins. we've got to take them at their word, the justice department said they didn't do it. no, i n't think they have to take them their word inng. that's a hugproblem for this country. this administration is sponsible for, i mean, such a disgusting lack of credibility. accobility. there needs to be integrity. by t way, do you think i'll get an ivitation -- >> i don't think you'll be hangin out there any time soon. >> thank you very ch. you are bothreat. up next, the brand new book "american phoenix." john quincy adams' mission to russia changing th nation's destiny. hampton cook is a brand new book tells the talef louisa and john quincy adams' missi to russia at makes the war of 1812 the centerpie and relent to today's global dynamics, of course. joining us now is presidential historian, author of the compellingew book "american phoenix" jane hampton cook. great to have you with us. we recommend the book highly and commend it to you. it's doing great. let me ask you this. what brought your focus to this mission and the war of 1812? have to be honest with you, i love the stories of the 1812, andrew jackson and the btle of new orleans. what brought you to it? >> well, i was really fascinated with the story of louisa adams she was such a strong woman back during the jane usten era. i became intrigued with john quincy adams because he was down on his luck. he lost the job of his dreams and had to go to russia of all places, yet he uses that opportunity, makes the most of it, and it really resurrects his political service career and it puts him on track to be president. i was drawn to their stories. >> as a presidential hiorian, you're talking about one of the great presidents. you're talking about one of the pivotal monts in american history. when you look at what is happening right now in washington, d.c. with this president, this congress, this senate, give us your comparison, your thoughts, your emotions on the contrast. >> well, what strikes me about today is how heavy laden that the bureaucracy is. everybody is hiding behind the person above them or below them. there's a bureaucracy. wh john quincy adams was a diplat to russia, he communicated directly with the president of the united states through letters, and directly through letters tohe secretary of state. we've lost a l of that. i think that's the difference. communication was very slow, it would take weeks for letters to go by ship, but it's instt today, yet the bureaucracy really does seem to weigh down and you know, just ve a of what we'reeeing now. that's wha they're trying to do is break through thatt bureaucratic stronghold. >> it is a strongho, it is also a stronghold, if you will, a fortress now which, wel is encircled with stone wall whether it be the obama irs scandal, whether it be the justicdepartment fast and furious scandal, the associated press, the james rosen and fox news scandal, wtherit be benghazi. i mean, the list goes on and on, and all of it is coming back to one man, the president of the united states. he's going to be judged by the characte that is revealed in his response to these scandals and this crisis for him, don't you think? >> yes, he is. and there was a moment during the war of812 where james madison was under sutiny for an appointment he made. he made his treasury secretary an ambassador as well and you can'do that. atid tey do? they got together and talked about it and they didn't fully work it out but they at least communicated. the meers of congress and president madison. it's just a hugely different ballgame but character does matter, matter the generation. it mattered highly to john quincy adams in 1812 and it rtainly matters today. >> that mission to russia, as you point out, determinative of a new republic. >> that's right. we needed russia to put pressure on england to leave us alone on and for all. that's exactly what happened. >> the book is "american phoenix." the author, jane ampton cook. we recmend it to you highly. it's available online, at bookstores now. go to loudobbs.com if you want links the book. president obama heading to his hometo of chicago, trying to put all of his scdals behind him for at least a day or so. but we'll talk to the a-team about whether he's about ose his attorney general. joining me now the a-team, former clintsen advisor fox news contributor doug shone. fox news contributor eric ericson and x neww contributor juan williams. great to have you all here. let me start if i may with attorney general holder. he is now going to talk with the distinguished bureau chiefs of print a broadcast organizations in washington to talk about how to better serve subpoenas on them d spy on them and get their records. how is that going to be a sweet bouquet and kiss to the national media that has been offended? >> well, at best it will be a wet kiss but i think it will be no kiss at all. i think frany the attorney general has lost much, if not all, of s credibility. i don't think given at the justice department has done, he'll be -- seen too receptively. >> would you advise the president to get rid of him? >> i think he has to seriously consider it, because his credibility given his testony, i'm not sure it rises to the level of perjury but there's certainly an operative question that raises the issue of a special prosecutor. >> juan williams, you've watched holder's testimony. let me ask you first, did he lie? >> no, i don't think so. i think he was talking specifical about publishing national security information and he was not party to any such discussion. he wasn't even technically party to the thght thatou would prosecute james rosen. it was that he made a terrible error in listing jes as a co-conspirator but no, he didn't lie about that to the house. >> eric, do you concur with our colleague? >> well, i'm not so sure, given his statement pretty definitive that he didn't play a role in any of these investigations, he didn't sign off on them and now we know he did sign off on them. to his credit, i'll say attorney general s have a lot of paper shoved in their face and signed, not necessarily knowing what it is, but he did sign it. it was his call. we know he's concerned given the media push-back the last few days but fawning stories about how he'so upset that his public image isn't what he really bieves. he did it. >> did he er. let meetn to the internal revenue service. four committees now are rsuing the internal revenue service. it turns out, doug, that we've been lied to again. >> well, tha to me, lou, is irly cle. the story tat we were first ld about a limited investigation coming out of cincinnati by some lowlevel employees is ju plain false. we're learningof hi level involvement in washington, the treasury being informed earlier than the administration had indicated -- >> only by a year. only by a year. >> what's a year among friends. >>nd only rising to the level of a deputy treasury secretary. is there any excuse for this level of -- i don't know what you want to call it. misrepresentation. we don't want to call it lies. i know you folks don't use that expression in washington. t this is an administration in the grip of an inability to find truth in their testimony before congress. >> well, i think there's a lot of, you know hoo do you say it politely, i know we're on the great dobbs show so cover your something, derrierer something. >> we're all about the french. >> i think that everybody's in that mode, because you've seen peop now, you know, forced out and lois lerner is concerned about her fifth amendment righ and refusing to testify and she's been called aliar. at this point, everybody is lawyered up. i want to do something i don't usually do. i want to turn to a study and the pew research showing that women have become the breadwinners in this country and a lot of other concerning and troublingstatistics. but our society is being torn in so many directions right now. this stuff is really at the margin when you watch the republicans and the democrats, this president, his scandals, and the appropriate investigation by the republicans. when we're watching society dissolve arounus, juan, what do you think? >> lou, i just think this should be in large letters on th front page of every newspaper in america. what we're seeing with four out of ten falies now, the woman is the primary eadwinner, you're seeing the disintegration of marriage, you're seeing men who were hard hit by the economic recession in ways that womeweren't, but you're seeing i think systemically larger than the political stories that we follow every day, something going terribly wrong in american society and it's hurting our children. and it's going to have impact for generations to come. left, right, i don't see how you can argue this. >> you menon childre and those are the children who survive. 54 million abortns since roe v wade. 54illion in this country. what has been the impt of at? what does it say about our society, our high school dropouts. eric, your thoughts on this study and what it portends. >> i'm so used to liberals telling conservatives that they're anti-science but this is liberals who defend this and say it's not bad thing are very anti-scice, when you look at biology, look the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in soety and other animals, that the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or not competing, it's a comementary role. s people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships in nuclear families and it's tearing us apart. what i find interesting in the survey is that three-quarters of the people surveyed recognize that having mom as the primary breadwinner is bad for kids and bad for marriage and reality shows us that's the truth. >>olittcians won't y it. that's wt bothers me, eric. you know what, they are so scared, they are so much a bunch of, you know, but they won't admit -- >> it's a war on women. >> i got to tell you it's tearing apart morityy communities even worse than white communies in this country. >> yeah, look, i think i would associate myself completely with what juan is saying. i wrote a biography once of daniel patrick moynin. this is a catastrophic issue ann sadly, no one on the left, right or center is dealing with the breaown of family structure. we'r losing a generation. bottom line, it could undermine our social order. >> and it may in fact be doing that. as we lookt the absolute disaster that is our public education system and the fictions tt have grown up around what we've done to local schools. i mean, we've got a department of education which is no, no replacement or substitute or even adequate, frankly, complement to local school districts having control of if it hits a community, until we get this through our head, if it hits any community in this country, it's o community. and this is not someg that is, in my opinion, debatle. we are playing cannon fodder to the rhetoricians that want to use the language of race and division and wreally oughto tell them to go to hell. we oug to say it first and foremost right here in the national media. >> the people that want school choice and benefit from school choice the most are poor african-americans and hispanics. >> we're not talking about scol choice. >> you were talking about education. >> i'm talking abou education and i don't want to hear the partisan words. i don't want to hear the idealogical nonsense. >> let's talk about teaching our kids how to ad, to write, express themselves, and to build relationships. eric, you'll get the last word here. >> you know, it becesore diffict for replicans these days because they're so scared of the idea of the war on women andraising this issue it sounds anti-women, the democrats bash them f it. but then to the basic point, we'vgot a society of elites that not only don't think this is a bad thing, they're raising kids in schools to be workers, not citizens. >> well said. gentlemen, thank you. ome back, that is is it here, see you tomorrow >> where ist? winning streak on wall street goes on, and where is the austerity? let's bring economist frifdrich hey yeck back in the mix. >> what is austerity anyway? >> i do not know. >> i have no