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Of increases, a growing number on the right rejecting their no new taxes pledges and instead are now claiming the Grover Norquist is the real problem in washington d. C. Fox digital Politics Center is here with us tonight as is the daily caller stalker carlson. Egyptian leader declaring new powers for himself, claiming he wont be just another dictator. Just a week ago praised by the Obama Administration for brokering a ceasefire in gaza, and now the white house is silent on the more coupe. Middle east expert professor Hoover Institute senior fellow wall street journal as columnist among our guests here tonight. We begin with the president s broad based strategy to conduct our right class warfare against the Republican Party on the issue of taxes and the fiscal cliff. The white house today released a report from the council of economic advisers. That report claims that if republican lawmakers dont accept the president s fiscal proposals they would be responsible for destroying christmas for the nations retail sector. The National Retail federation is forecasting that holiday sales will grow. If congress does not act on the president s plan to extend tax cuts for the middleclass and jobs in our economy at the most important time of the year for retail stores. As the president uses similar scare tactics to bully republicans into a deal press secretary jay carney today made clear where the president himself simply refuses to compromise. There are issues that need to be resolved that we have been very clear about, both the presence interest and willingness to compromise, but also his clear insistence that he will not sign an extension of bush era tax cuts for the top 2 lou a Congressional Budget Office Analysis Shows that allowing the bush tax cuts to expire on upper income americans would generate approximately 82 billion a year or enough to run the government for eight and a half days. Eight and a half days. Meanwhile, the list of republicans who are reversing themselves on their antitax pledges is growing. Former gang of six member publicly broke ranks last week after fellow gang member defected from norquist in july when he agreed to a tax increases in exchange for a grand bargain on the deficit. The other republicaa gang member, senator Mike Ray Powell reportedly indicated earlier that he is open to a range of possible tax rates. Now senate is lindsay gramm, john mccain, bob barker along with House Majority leader eric cantor and congressman peter king are rebuking the norquist antitax pledge, a new gang of six saying in recent days they would break that pledge to look for new ways to generate revenue republican congressman peter king said bluntly, he is not ruling anything out. I agree entirely. A pledge to sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago. I think everything should be on the table. Lou two of the senators not only reversing themselves on raising taxes but also rethinking their opposition to a susan rice secretary of state apartment. Senators gramm and mccain both revising their political positions in a bit at a breathtaking pace. Joining a summer we are calling the republican reset, the fiscal cliff, of course, and the coup in egypt, the president seemingly in search of a campaign. After a long holiday weekend, does anyone remember been gauzy . To find out, we are joined by of and the daily column founder and editor cockies contributor. Thank you. Lets start with Republican Party. Is that too strong a word . In disarray. I think disarray is a little strong right now. We will see. It is one thing to talk about these issues so far in advance. In terms of the norquist tax pledge and certainly the susan rice, these are noises that you made to sound conciliatory after an election, and we think back to 2009. The republicans sounded very conciliatory in the days after president obamas reelection when he was holding a high approval rating, but by april or may of his first year that that had melted away. So right now is happy talk from the republicans. We will see whether that materializes into votes. Lou such happy talk, why arent there more Smiling Faces in the Republican Party . Pretty unhappy talk from what i can tell, and to this point pretty frivolous. You see members of the United States Senate Demand is not even their negotiations, but taking a timeout to beat up on Grover Norquist to is some on elected activists type who was not a player in this and does not have a seat at the negotiating table, was not elected. What does he have to do with any of this . Is seems to me this is the opportunity for the republicans in the house, but also to some extent in the senate to explain what they want to know what kind of entitlement cuts that will demand. Instead theyre beating a boy norquist. Lou we also received this word in. Susan rice, United Nations u. S. Ambassador to the United Nations has requested three meetings meetings with three senators tomorrow. Senator kelly, john mccain, and lindsay gramm. The ambassador wishes to speak with them. I am sure she will by snc will be accommodated. I am wondering how much mcconnell feels right about now. Well, interesting thing for the demonstration at this point, the president is sort of trap now in nominating ambassador rice as secretary of state. Waiting for the moment that hillary clinton, waiting for her to give the word, but the president , having stood so strong in her defense, strongly in her defense around what she said that up and gauzy and the video that she said was the cause of the attack that killed those americans that now they are boxed in. He pretty well has to stick with her. This is are going around to say in private what she was in public which, based on the testimony from the general and others is, it was a calculation that it was a decision that was made at the white house that it would be bad business to be out saying that it was a terrorist. Lou what is your reaction, tucker . What a waste of time. Remarkable. I mean it. As a political calculation. The president just was reelection. A tough campaign. He wins by a convincing margin. He is at the apogee of its power. And what does he choose to do . He spends it on getting susan rice a job running the state department. This is pretty small potatoes by comparison to a lot of other things going on right now, chief among them the fiscal clef. There are a lot of other questions hanging in the air, and he is doing the bidding of his old friend, susan rice. Were always been their capital. Lou but certainly not something that we are unacquainted with. President george w. Bush famously spending is on a private security account which was utterly brilliant. Ss it is not the first time we have seen second term president s overtaken by mystifying forces. And going to the fiscal cliff right now. The plan. We just is rated here. We have senators all over the place. As best we can tell and as you correctly pointed out, very little to do with this. For the life of me i cant find the intellectual leader of the Republican Party and all or even for that matter the intellectual chaplain of the party. The question is directed at me. Really enough it is probably in the senate. I would say it is guys like ron johnson, a freshman from wisconsin, never been in politics at all before this last the 2010 election. Jeff sessions of alabama. A couple of others who are emerging intellectual leaders. Im not sure who the counterparts are. That says a lot. Lou to you have some nominees . Michael lee, the senator from utah has shown some real raider on these issues. A real favorite of the republican base, and he puts it forward in a way that is pretty sensible. Ted crews, the new freshman republican from texas will do big things when he gets to town. He will be a lodestar for that group of conservative republicans in the senate. Lou you said star cannot load. Lodestar. A tracking point, mr. Dobbs. Lou thank you very much. Much more on the fiscal cliff and the future of the Republican Party with the ateam coming up next. Obamacare, the law of the land. Not so fast. A lot of governors are saying, its your lot. You enforce it. What it all means in tonights chalk talk. The billionaire verses the tax master. Warren buffett takes on Grover Norquist. Who is right . Former cbo director douglas cosecant joins us next. Lou well, we are going to be assessing what is happening with the fiscal cliff, negotiations, talks tomorrow waste of time between the principal socalled in washington d. C. Talking with former Congressional Budget Office director douglas hopes he can hear in moments. First the moneyline. Lori ruined the day on wall street. Concerns about the deep discounts being offered by retailers on black friday. Worries about the fiscal cliff, greece of combining for a market that pretty much went nowhere today. The Dow Jones Industrials down 42. As into down treatment nasdaq rose ten. The sixth day in a row in which the nasdaq has gained. Light trading on the big board. Concerns about increases in taxes on dividends for the highyield dividend stocks of late. Today at t and verizon down, both with dividend yields of just about 5 . Most retailers lower on the day despite good news on the Holiday Shopping weekend. Target and walmart among the worst losers. Investors celebrating what some are insisting on calling cyber monday. In the treasury market, the yield on the treasurys ten year slipping slightly lower to 1 early this evening. The International Monetary fund announcing it reached a deal with trees to cut its 124 of gdp by 2020. That is a big deal. With to some 30 but believe who with just 35 days you would think that lawmakers will be focused on solving the problems, but Grover Norquist has become the subject of all of the debate the Washington Post headline today screaming Grover Norquist has more to lose than Republican Leaders do. The Washington Post saying that, of course. Meanwhile, a prominent republicans saying they may abandon their pledges altogether i am not obligated on the pledge. The only thing im honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i am sworn in. The pledge is signed. It is with of congress. 16 trillion in debt. The only place we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. I will violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country. Lou joining us now, the former Congressional Budget Office director. President of the American Action forum. Great to have you with this. What do you make of those folks . Theyre going after grover, throwing their pledges out. I love the senator. The only thing he will honor somebody has to tell the man had that sounds. I think honestly this is politics over economic commonsense. We know a couple of things. Number one, we already have tax increases coming. Health care reform, Affordable Care act. So they are coming. A better idea in this economy, and everyone should know that. Number three, the president who claims he must have a balanced approach only talks about raising taxes. This to be asking a question, what spending cuts are you offering along with this request for tax increases . And lets see a real plan. That is the discussion we need to have not negotiating on taxes lou and to his credit, the speaker has been well, he has not been heard from. It seems somehow the preferred course to watching senators gramm and mccain and chambliss, for crying out loud, out there making all sorts of noises. Lou in that the media does love to cover them because in the end lou im not complaining. But in the end, what is really growing going on, the white house is going to have to get to deal. That is going very slowly. Little progress, but those are the players that matter. The noise from the side shows is just the only thing to cover at the moment. Let me ask you, at any reason and this possibility that the president is actually insisting on tax cuts on the wealthy even though he understands. Lou he is talking about eight and a half days of money with which to run this governments. Is he do you think maybe there is a possibility that this is simply, if you will, and opportunity for him so then bring forward entitlements and say i just stuck it to the rich, now were going after the real money. I think the president does know that he needs to get the taxes as part of the politics. I think they also understand that if there is in Real Progress made on the debt and the entitlement spending is the source of that debt going forward, that rating agencies we will downgrade the u. S. By august of next year. They have a window in the spring of 2013 where they need to get something serious done. I think that is a place to have this larger discussion. I think the problem with dragging it into the fiscal of negotiations is, you raise the possibility that, you know, you have a train wreck. We go over the cliff and an upper and recession. Lou the real concerns here, the market is not going to wait until next summer to react. As a matter of fact, if these markets of reacting for another 30 days without demonstration, i will follow your word. It will be a miracle. The idea that whenever this president is suggesting in terms of entitlements would not be put ford is a sign to some of those anxious investors in these markets from debt markets to equity markets for Foreign Exchange markets. Thats asking a lot. Well, i think there are two things markets should fear. They should youre going over the fiscal cliff, and they do. When you see the dividend taxes go from 15 to 45, that is bad news for market participants, and theyre going to react poorly to that. Not having these sharp tax increases and spending cuts, getting to that end of the year cliff is very important for the markets. In doing so, you have to make a commitment to taking on the second problem, the large debt. That is a dance that the president and the congressional leaders are going to have to figure out how do. We need both problems fixed. If you try to lead to much on the debt in a lameduck, afraid that you dont get a deal and go to the fiscal cliff. If you do too much debt reduction, big tax increases, you know, we have a recession. This is economically pretty straightforward, but politically very complicated. Lou the results profound looking at as much as and a half , some say a reduction in gdp if we pursue this matter course that we are on. If we have a president who insists that taxes on the wealthy will be a solution and if we have Republican Leaders who are saying that they can join in an increase in taxes without talking about the spending problem. Somehow they forgot about the spending problem. Lou you have to focus on the spending problem. Again, we have prominent people like Warren Buffett writing opeds and sang the solution is we need to attacks and do it right away. In fact, those proposals of no problems. Less than a week of running the government. In just a couple of days then make the tax code complicated, and they dont solve the fiscal cliff. That is the kind of leaders we have at the moment. Lou terrifying as a word that would come to mind. I dont want to upset anybody. Good to have you with us. Thank you. Lou and a big hollywood weekend, the best thanksgiving weekend. Twilight breaking don part two, top spot again. 64 million. For some entertainment. Sky fall continues to soar. Lincolns third place, third weekend out, 34 million. In all ticket sales totaling 290 million, breaking the previous thanksgiving record of 2,703,000,000 back in 2009. Up next, a ceasefire agreement between israel and hamas is holding up. Then he brokered the agreement crabbing startling new power powers and plans of the same time he is not another dictator. Were joined. And the other timid consequences of obamacare. Half the states taking a pass in the president s plan for exchanges. Is obamacare an even bigger bundle them we thought . We take a look in tonights chalk talk the next. And waiting in line. I dont have to leave my desk and get up and go to the post office anymore. [ male annncer ] with stamps. Com, you can print real u. S. Postage for all your letters and packages. It gives you the exact amount of postage you need the instant you need i can you print on stamps . No. First class. Priority mail. Certified. International. And the mailman picks it up. I dont leave the shop anymore. [ male announcer ] get a 4week trial plus 100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. Go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again. Lou now we have learned there are 16 states that refuse to set up socalled insurance exchanges. Sixteen of them. Obamacare calls for the creation of virtual marketplace is where consumers can shop for health coverage. This 16 outright refusal to mostly from states with republican governors to be another six states have chosen to go into a partnership with the federal government. Seventeen states in the District Of Columbia are going along and implementing exchanges themselves. There are 11 states, 16, 11 we will put them out there as undecided, but nine of these we should point out, nine of these have republican governors. A state with an exchange means that 2014, the department of health and Human Services will do it all for them. Why this rebellion . The first reason is cost. This is the big unknown in obamacare. Governors are afraid they will get stuck with the cost of setting a been running these exchanges. The cost from ten to 100 million per year in each state. In fact among Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is opting out because he says operating the exchange we will cost up to 60 million for wisconsin each year and federal funding is only guaranteed for one year. If we assume the exchanges cost about 50 million, on average for each state in the union, a conservative estimate, by the way, that would still amount to the into a half billion dollars. Two and a half billion. And you say, well, where is the federal government and all of this . Well, they are there with all of their support that they can possibly bring. Health and Human Services has a billion dollar fund to ma 1 billion. These governors, republican and democrat are no dummies. They know that leaves a little problem. One and a half billion dollars packages in the operation of the exchanges themselves. Into in terms of what is driving this. Oklahoma governor says it is not just setting an exchange. It is setting a big bureaucracy. She says, these programs will be staterun in name only. Control is the second reason. Then next regulations, regulations so far. This is incredible. Obamacare has now, right now 13,000 pages of regulations. 13,000, and there are, folks, a lot more pages to come. The governor of ohio says he does not want to employment and exchange that would cost as much as 63 million for his state. That is the latest estimate. The states have received so Little Information or clarity from the Obama Administration on how this is all going to work. I guess the governor has not read the 13,000 pages. A lot of clues, i understand, and there. Its not just a matter of website. Its about bureaucracies, the agency that is needed sent overseas and exchange and the states to ensure that they are complying with those lovely federal regulations. That could be the states business or it could be federal. We dont know. Apparently neither does the federal government. Consumers we will need facetoface held to navigate of this. The enrollment process, the state of california loan. Here we go. California alone as ties they will need 25,000 reps speaking as many as 13 languages to run their insurance exchange. Think about that. Furthermore, there is no one size fits all exchange. Different states with different Insurance Markets in different eligibility requirements for medicaid. Obamacare just keeps getting better. And we did not even get into the laws 20 different taxes that will cost taxpayers about 700 billion over just the next decade. Obamacare. So far so good. The fiscal cliff negotiations under way. Business leaders go to washington meeting republican and Democratic House leaders. But is what is good for business really good for the country . The ateam next. The government tracking terrorists, criminals, and students. A Texas School District wants to attract their students. Big brother not a big hit with the students. Protests are up in egypt over president more seize power grab. Will the United States sit by quietly as he makes his move to become their leader . And is sure real law next . Acclaims dollar middle east expert joining us next. [ engine revs ] [ male announcer ] the mercedesbenz winter event is back, no matter which list youre on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 ml350 for 599 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Heartburn symptoms causedelieve by acid refl disease. Osteoporosisrelated bone fractures and low magnesium levels have been seen with nexium. Possible side effects include headache, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. Other serioustomach conditions may still exist. Talk to your doctor about nexium. Deasy starting now, code as chair of the working group on islamism and the international louvre institution, wall street journal contributor. Good to have you with this lets start with some woman with an a day. The president of egypt, the clerisy as new powers within a day of that ceasefire taking home. Breathtaking arrogance how should we perceive this . This stunning display of flexibility on wednesday he brokers a deal between israel and hamas. He is the darling of the international community. He is praised by president obama a day later he takes Emergency Powers and suspends the constitutional life of the country. Tells you that he used the credit see earned abroad for domestic at home. Lou domestic repression, but nonetheless is it not fully coordinated and supported by the Muslim Brotherhood, of which she is a major part . Whether he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood are not. Of course in many ways. The ruler of egypt, a supreme god of the Muslim Brotherhood. Nothing about him that entitles him to the presidency. He was just demand that the Muslim Brotherhood put up for election. Lou in the white house today, and i want to get your assessment, the White House Press spokesman said, we are concerned about dictatorial power. We are concerned about it. We raised those concerns. He also said, the president has not spoken with him since the ceasefire or since he acquired those new powers. What is your perception of what the white house is doing in this response . Well, come to say im concerned about what he is doing, we have a kind of a prominent position in egyptian politics. We have sway over egypt, money that we invested. Lets face it. The egyptians have always played a very shrewd game. They did it under mubarak and not doing it. It is the equivalent of two big to fail. A big country, very important country. Bacons defense at any time. We keep hoping, but they dont. And i think there is not really my said the white house can do. Lou the net is states is so gullible or we are so acquiescent and actually feel well served by their pursuit of their interest irrespective of the time to time annoyances like acquiring dictatorial powers on the part of the assembled. Well, i think there is there has been a different influence in the region. If you take a look at the antiamerican access, when you take a look at the hezbollah and hamas, these are very powerful people. Theyre really playing for keeps they know what theyre doing. We are into the region, out of the region. Secretary clinton rushed to the scene when she rushed to the middle east after the war broke out between hamas and israel. In the far east. We visited the far east. The president was visiting pagodas in the far east. Lou not going near india or china. You mentioned a moss, ron and syria along with egypt in that, if you will, axes with in the least. Syria itself, the implications for it as a result of what we are witnessing and the obvious victory for iran in brokering this deal along with more see, whether he is the ultimate act or whether he is, if you will, acting in the interest of others this war in the region is really a proxy war between iran and israel. This is really extending to hezbollah and moss. These rockets that were fired iranian rockets supplied by a iranians. Lou most of them by israel. Absolutely. But these were derived from the power. There is no doubt about that. In the bunker, these are good days. These are good days. No one came to the rescue. Indeed, the talks in egypt in the tumult of the war between israel and the moss. No doubt about it. Lou thank you for being here. Thank you. Lou next russias leading newspaper on president obama and those who voted for him not flattering. Noted obama backer seemingly working hard to prove the point. That is next. It up tomorrow, abc News White House correspondent with his new book. We will be talking about that. Former federal prosecutor and former u. S. Ambassador to the United Nations among our guests. Coming right up, the ateam on the republican rebellion against what. Who is this guy . Grover norquist Grover Norquist. Suddenly being blamed for everything. The capital one cash rewards card gives you 1 cash back on all purchases, plus a 50 annual bonus. And everyone. But her likes 50 more cash. But im upping my game. Do you want a candy cane . Yes do you want the puppy . Yes do you want a tricycle . Yes do you want 50 percent more sh . No festive. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1 cash back on every purchase plus a 50 annual bonus on the cash you earn. Its the card for people who like more cash. Whats in your wallet . Lou new York City Police commissioner ray kelly tends to stay out of politics of any sort, so surprising when he enters the fray and this time at the expense of the president. A determined advocate of gun control quoted in todays New York Daily News saying this. Maybe this is the most affected by guns in chicago. The president s hometown. Barely a peep out of hand. We have noted that fact on this broadcast a number of times. To be clear, there is every reason for the president to speak out about his hometown. 462 people have been killed in chicago so far this year. Almost 20 percent increase over last year in a city with some of the toughest guncontrol laws in the nation. Today alone a man killed, another critically injured at the funeral of a known gang member who was gunned down just last week. Well, the Hacking Group anonymous says it is responsible for taking down the website at the Texas School District now requiring students to wear a microchip id card to track their every move. Officials in san Antonio North Side Independent School Districts say they are testing the controversy a program to raise attendance and of course, secure more state funding. Some public Highschool Students are refusing to wear their pledges, claiming the state is violating their right to privacy. Well, the communist russian news outlet labeling president obama a communist in a scathing oped. An editor writes, the president is a communist without question. Reelected to a second term by an elder society. The editorial goes on to say that the president s personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. Unfortunately oscarwinning actor jimmy foxx seem determined to demonstrate that he had Research Part of the article very well. Listen to how fox describe the president last night during the soul train awards. To god and our lord and savior, barack obama. Barack obama. Lou i wonder how he reconciles the communists a keyless ways and jamie foxx characterization or do you suppose they bother . Up next with Morgan Russell republicans indicating a willingness to break from broker norquist antitax pledge. What does that mean for the future of the Republican Party . The ateam with the answers. Were joined next. Lou the ateam republican pollster, campaign strategist, wall street journal opinion page editor, democratic strategist. Good to have you here. Lets start with the senators, these folks, on the republican side, the idea of higher taxes saying Grover Norquist and their is their problem. Did not force their hand. Many of them, including senator sax said that like a great deal. The 5foot blown up version of the pledge he signed behind him at campaign events, raised money on it, ostensibly won his primary because of. Every time one of these guys as i can no longer committed to a pledge that to 20 years ago, i am so grateful i am not married to them. What do you mean . And just so we all understand, when you sign that pledge, you cited for the duration of your service in that office. Basically interfering with the marriage. It did sound lousy, but at the same time, there is something pier ill about it, the fact that there is this pledge, that this is the issue and that Grover Norquist is suddenly the enemy of these fine folks. I am also glad that i am not married. But going to the tax pledge, it is a little bit complicated. He makes the point that no republican has voted for a tax increase and congress and Something Like 20 years. That is true, except for we are going to get tax increase on january 1st congress does nothing. Pursuant to push tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 which many republicans voted for. The law in 2010. Lou worrying about the niceties and the details. Were looking at a fiscal clef. But some senators running around. Sitting there trying to, you know, it seems to me, rollover for the president. Perhaps. If they dont roll over, if they stand firm and there is no agreement taxes go up anyway. Lou with that we come back. Well be right back. Lou were back with the ateam, the fiscal cliff, Grover Norquist. Will the president step up and deal with the issue of entitlement. I believe he will, he must, and he has, to but with regard to norquist. Only thing were desperate about a man about to lose his power is a man about to lose his relevant, i think that republicans, have started to say, wait, were facing a crisis, 20 year pledge. It is time to put that behind us. Us. Neil why dont the lou judg why dont the democras care whether he is elected or not . The republicans who took this pledge were elected taking the pledge. They bragged about it you know, 1994, could not have happened without Grover Norquist. And always about tern that theo personalty not policy, lets talk about the issue, is medicare going bankrupt or not, senator dirk durban saying we have to tackle medicare or it will be bankrupt in 12 years. Lets talk about that instead of norquist, he is one of the most selfless guys in politics. You know this is a reagannesque parts of the soul of the Republican Party, if some want to break their own pledge to voters not to raise taxes they can do that and be account able. Lou there is not a reagan nesque figure in the Republican Party right now who is the intellectual leader right now . What group of the Republican Party . The governors . Kelly ann is right, governors, there are 38 republican governors, there will be after the first of the year. Well see who emerges. Lou striking you are not hearing Speaker Boehner or mitch mcconnell. When have congressional leaders been major lead irs of their party, they are wheel ordealers. Politics abhors a vacuum. Lou governors are nation but, several are chief executives. I want to stick up for mcconnell and boehner, they are playing hand theying dealt, on the 1600 pennsylvania avenue, with a huge mandate to raise taxes. If you look at personalties of three leading governors, chris christie, markio rubio, and bobbyen jen gend else they g personallies. Lou i want to, go back to the intellectual leadership amongst those governors, the names of people you think are those leaders. Newly elected governor of indiana mike pence. He will not set up the health care exchange, and susana martinez. And scott walker of wisconsin. He has been elected twice in a state that mitt romney lost by 7 points. Lou you had to leave it wh governor romney. Their bench is really thin that is why joe biden is the vice president. Come on, lets leave