Of course they are going up. If they dont go up you are getting less or going to a different network. Rk, its expensive to sign up. This is premature, dont you ink . We know younger people tend t do things at the last minute. I dont know what laughed but that is a silly thing to laugh at. Its nothing new. We know about the younger people. Lets wait and see, lets wait and see stunning. If wre laughing at logic, why are we bothering to have a conversation. You must not have had kids. More importantly, i want to talk about the reassurance pool that people dont know is there. We have a reassurance pool so if numbers dont work out this year there is something to fall back on, so well keep any increases for the next three years down. Mike, we are laughing because yes, we know young people, and you can cry or laugh. You have your choice. I choose tolaugh but the fact is insurance is a produc people who dt directly nefifrom it wont buy it. That is the young people. Thats why they are not interested in buying. That would be the natural coumer response. But i also think another possibility is they have increased the penalty fo not buying it. In other words, they raised the amount they will punish peopleho dont go in and buy the lousy obama snake oil. What could happen is they make not get enrollment rit away. But rick cld be right. The enrollment could go up because the punishment for not enroll willing go up. Morgan, just to be clear about this. This first year is the penalty 1 of your income. So if you make 30,000 a year, 300. That goes up to 2. 5 of your income in 2016. Yeah. I think as long as you have 1 of income right now or 95 to opt out you will see some young adults choose that right now. That being said, going back to ricks point, i happen to agree. If you look at when massachusetts rolled out the healthcare in 2007the supposed data shows a lot of young adults came in at the last minute. We have a shoddy website. Young adultsre not going there. They are waiting. Another point to be made. We saw the jo report this week. We have young adults looking r jobs. Theyre holding out that option as well. Rich, there is another thing that young people are waiting for. Having kids, i know how they work, rick. Rich, kids often will wait until they are forced to, until they are coerced to. And so far, theyre waiting to see how much they can get ay with, right . Well, yeah. Theres that. There is also the fact that the cultural icons, jon stewart are ochingly laughing at the program openingly laughing at the program. So you have technology that doesnt work. This is a techsavvy group of people. Comedians on right and the left laughing at the program. And now you have number three, that obama bro his promises, id in 2009 and 2010. , you know, you have lack of trust going on here among young people. I will create actuarial death spiral. John, this is basic economics, isnt it . Like when the president told us none of this would cost a dime. You insure more people it will cost money, right . The obama administration, by extension ricks vandalism of basic economics would be funny if it werent going to have so many victims. Simple truth, there is no insurance without healthy people. But th obama exchanges give young every incentive to opt out and the highest risk, every incentive to opt in. Premiu will rise based on what fails simple economics. Steve, after the broken promises, so far, again, its only beginning to roll out. But we have already seen so many broken promises. You wont be able to keep the Health Program you like. You wont see the premiumoes up. They have gone up. That is right. You are going to get more disaster after the elections next year when the businesses have to sign on to this thing. There have been estimates that half the Business People are signed on, on businesses are going to lose. They are estimating 93 Million People will not have their insurance. They are goingng outraged. That is why this thing wil collapse, among other reasons. But rick, you already have these things that have happened that werent supposed toappen, right . Yeah. Thgs that have happened in the first 30 days. Look, we seem to be fact challenged this morning. Jon stewart has never let me underline never mad fun of the program. He made fun ofhe execution of the program, something none of us are pleased with. Rick, hold on aecond. How much longer can you divide the execution of a program from the progm itself . Eventually they are the same thing. Eventually they are. But if you think any rational person thinks that 30 days is enough to judge it, i dont know what you consider a rational person. Perhaps, rich, jon stewart is not rational. He is notust laughing at the implementation of it. Yes, he is. He is laughing of the fundamental basics of it. No, hes not. That young people will wa to run out and buy something they didnt have to watch before. I dont know if you watch m, i watch every night. No, he is not laughing at that. At any ratewhoever is laughing at whatever, the fact is, rich, thathe program just doet seem to be working. Its not just the rolling out of one part of it. I seems be the whole thing. Yeah. But i would like to point out that rick is among those who believes that obama didnt break his promise here either. No, im not. Noim not. You have tremendous problems here. Look at theirginia governors race to go to steve point of the political consequences of this unlaughing. Terry mcauliffe in the governors race in virgini d a 12 to 15point lead two weeks before the election. Then it became widely known that obama misspe or however you want to characterize the broken promises. And the republicanlose the gap to within two points and in another week would have won the race. Thats how toxic this plan is. Go ahead, rick. Can i jump in . Friday night on the sean hannity town hall and again on nday night on the Sean Hannity Show i specifically said that obama did break his promise. And im really getting a bit tired this morning ofeople playing so fast d loos with the facts. Okay. We have to leave it at that. Coming up, remember this. All the shutdown is doing is making it harder for ordinary americans to get by. And harder for businesses to create jobs. Shut down will hurt our economy, threaten jobs throughout job creion. The shut down has an effect on g. D. P. Which in turn hassen effectn hiring. Well, did this number just smack down those warnings . This is the quicksilver cash back card from capil one. Its not the limit the cash i earnvery month card. Its not the i only earn decent rewards at the gas station card. Its the nogames, noigning up, everydayrewarding, kungfughting, silverlightninginabottle, bringinghomethebacon cash back card this is the quicksilver card from capital o. 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So if government consuming less capital, that means there is more capital in the prate sector. Company form and bs created. This would be good for an economy. We should have kept the government shut down longer. Rich, this reminds you, rich karlgaard, offed what with the sequester. The administration, a the friendin the media said it will be terrible, your life wont be the same. We did it. It hasnt been too bad, has it . Well, america is the land of enterise and of inedibly productive enterprisers. It shows you that even bad policy coming out of washington really cant kill that spirit. And by bad policy, you know, we have the administration, we have congress, the senate, the runaway federal bureaucracy, unstable money. A lot of ad winds that hit america. We should be growing at 4 . Rick, even the head of bureau of labor statistics the institution that comes out with the figures said really there was no discernible impact from the partial Government Shutdown and the jobs numbers. Yeah. That is apparently true, although i have to say this the argument that this somehow boosted employment is interesting. Because what youre saying is everybody got together no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Dont misquote it. Were not saying it boosted up employment were saying it didnt have as detrimental effect on employment. The economy is rolling along especially with a Smaller Government. 17 days were unfortunate we lost 25 billion in economic action blion of government i dont understand why that is funny. What is the point youre making . Got shutdown and people p employment figures for the next month this is relevant . The point wait, wait, wait. Rick. You ask question. Give us a chance to answer. Rick, the point is, mike, we had g. D. Figures this week that were up a little bit. Despite the sequester and the shutdown. It looks like the economy can work without the big government. You are right. Were taking a page from bill clinton play book who shrunk it before the overall economy. Before the shutdown the expectcation was that the economy would grow by 1. 8 in the thd quarter. Now they are saying 2. 8 growth. We saw the same thing in the sequester, expecting the growth of 2. 5 in the quarter. Excuse me, 1. 2 . Camen at 2. 5 . Why . Faster growth in private sector. That is exactly what happened when bill clinton was president. I listened to n. P. R. Most of the moment and they talk about the dire consequences of the Government Shutdown, they expect a terrible jobs report and the Government Shutdown. It didnt happen. What mike is referring to, i went and did a web search. Thousands of news stories said the governnt shutdown would hurt the u. S. Economy and it would shave nearly percentage point off of the g. D. P. Growth. It didnt. I did not do that. G. D. P. Growth is up at 2. 8 . Rich is right, weeed to grow to 3. 5 to 4 . Im thinking we are in the United States of amnesia right now. Why are we so dependent on what the government does in we have been through decades before of crisis. Where the u. S. Economy has come out of it. Because the sector has stepped up to the plate. 212,000 jobs created by private sector this past report. Maybe we should have kept the shutdown the longer . The Less Government more chance you have for private sector to grow. We shouldnt break out the sham pape too quickly, because the Government Shutdown disskew the survey. You have more Companies Reported on the establishment survey. That might have skewed the number. The Household Survey was not good. I think we wait a month to see how strong the job market is. This is not to say that the economy is doing swimmingly. If it was, wed be growing aboutver 3 . Right . Its got to be remembered, governmentas no resources. When rick talks about 25 billion loss, that was initially taken from us. Would you rather john boehner and nancy pelosi allocate capital or have the capitalists capital capitalists allocate capital . Any time we shrinkovernment recapital is deployed to make us prosperous. Rick, go ahead. When i tried to raise the question before, if you are saying that the shutdown resulted in more employment you said i was going offpoint. T. David you just said maybe we should keep the Government Shutdown more often. That was not the question. We have to go to joe biden spending the obama stimulus where he said more government spending, more government borrowing. Thats the way out of the recession. He said any month well be having 250,000 jobs an average a month. That never happened. You know what joe bidens twitter hashtag reads . Mythoughtsarefacts. Because my thoughts are facts. What i think is not a fact. Its not. So if your cntctor botched a job at your house do you hire them for more jobs . 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I dont know if i want to pay more, but lk out because new reports that taxpayers will be paying more. And lawmakers found a creative way to get you to pay more. They are called er fees. Higher fees for airport security. But emac, you say no matter what you call it, its a tax. This reminds me. Im going to do a twist on what president bill clinton said once. It depends what the word fee is. The word fee is really a tax. What we see, the user fees you cited more states over the last five years are becoming addicted to the fiscal sugar. 100 billion in fees which are really taxes in the last five years alone, david. So its a tax, morgan, no . Im going to say no. Because a tax by definition is involptary fees. These are not involuntary. At least on the individual level. You are talking about user fees tied to park admission and increase airport security. If you dont want to pay those fees you can opt out of taking advantagof those services. Salesaxes are also voluntary as well. You dont have to buy the item. What about that . Are they a tax or not, the new fees sadly they become taxes. Fee for legitimate service, fine. We saw the gal fund, they raided that. Airport tas supposed to go for the airtraffic control. Instead rated for other things. In this case its sadly a tax. Not a fee for a service. Rick, even in president obamas budget he is calling for300 billion in the new fees. Think bh morgan and steve have it right. This is a user tax. Its not unfair to tax people for using something for somebody else doesnt use. Why should i pay for a road im not dving on. But steve is right, tre are incidents where the fund is raided for other do user taxes but keep it segregated for the legitimate purpose. I want to get back to what harry reid said. He said everybody wants to pay more. Do you want to pay more for a wasteful, dysfunctional government . Im not a 1 er like rick you are never going to be either. Good for you, rick. If we paid substantially reduced rates but user fees woulmake sense. But the problem now is we are give toog much to federal government. I dont want to give them otr funds to raise. Rich, what do you think . I find myself shockingly i agreement with rick ungar on this. I dont think somebody does not fly should have to pay fees to the t. S. A. But as steve points out, you know, is stuffs abused all the time. But, steve, isnt the bottom line the fact that the money is goi again, you have more money from the private productive sector to the wastefulovernment sector. Yeah. If we had Smaller Government peopleouldnt mind to pay a fee to go to the airplane if thats where they thought the money was ing for. There is great support in the 50s for gasoline taxes to build the interstate highway syst because pple thought the money was going for a real purpose. Morgan, again, it gets to the point Milton Freeman used to talk about this, the more money you take from the private sector the weaker the economy isecause you take it from the only sector creating something. Not necessarily. Lets go back to florida for a second. They raised user fees in the last couple of years. The economy was walloped in the downturn. They have come in with a Budget Surplus for the state part of the reason is the user fees, despite no income tax and no property taxes compared to other states like texas. Florida has a ton of cities that are practically insolvent. Look at miami. The state is running budget deficits. They can tax and see and nickel and dimall they want. It doesnt mean you will get more revenues coming in. Its because bureaucrats are wasting the money. Florida cut a series of business taxes which is a reason why the economy has come back well. Nice weather. Lets not dump all the time on florida. 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