We just made ourselves 5 million, 6 million. Im neil cavuto and it makes you think. Ransoms are isis numbertwo money maker. Dagen mcdowell says we could have made it their number one money maker. The rst of our panel join us. Adam will be back next week. Daighen . The whole point of having a firm no negotiation, no ransom policy in this country is to prevent americans being targeted and by announcing this policy openly with a lot of holes in it youre asking for americans to be kidnapped for ransom and to be targeted period. Then what . Now, the governments policy charles, is that you dont do this. We will allow private families if they want they can go ahead and do it. I guess there were laws against this sort of thing. But i dont remember anyone ever being punished. No one was ever punished for it. What do you think of it . I disagree within the sense if theres a Young American in syria, afghanistan, someone wants to help out all the refugees in iraq they are going to be targeted. It might be the numbertwo money maker for isis but its their numberone pr stunt. Beheading people im not talking about expats or americans working for air products in france. Im talking about that one particular region where we have no policy where our government has no way, no desire or no will to crush isis if some american kid is over there trying to do what they think is the right thing and they get kidnapped i would like to see the family be able to rescue them because our government wont. Charlie, all the nuance one of the things this addresses is the way government has treated hostage families and apparently shabbily. They want to communicate with them more dont want them dismissed anymore, theyll argue against ransoms but dont want them treatmented like crap. A good thing. Right, on paper, setting up an administrative staff to do that is another thing. Dupg this has made americans targets . I do. It shows you the absurd di of our policy. We know theyre beheading people committing atrocities across the world, yet we dont want to take the battle to them. Im not saying engage in fullout war with isis. We should. We should once and for all. Or we should start doing something to help the iraqis crush them more than just paying it lip service. Its an odd policy yes, well pay you ransom but wont help people defeat you. Bizarre. Ben stein . Im trying to imagine my wife, whos my whole life is captured god forbid by isis i would want to do ef possible thing to get her out of there. I would use every possible bit of leverage including the little money i have left to get her out of there. The throat of my wife having her throat cut or head cut off because of some policy is very upsetting. Its great to have a policy. I think the people involved who have knives at their throats are frankly more close to that policy. Its a distant money maker. Their main money maker is oil. Youre right. But for when they get european hostages or latinamerican hostage, it is a big money maker. The governments directly involved. Lets not let any americans go there. There is that. Julie, what do you think . I agree with dagen but if this were my kid i would do everything i could, including mortgaging every ounce of what i owned to get them out of there. I think its hard to say to these family hands off, you cant do anything to save your kid. All of us would do whatever we could to save our kid and thats the difficulty here. Charlie, how exactry are you going to get the iraqi army to fight harder when these guys leave the battlefield and isis has our weapons because theyre not doing anything to defeat them . We should be helping the iraqi how . I dont know. Send advisers. We have. We are. I dont know. We dont have enough over there. Never works. Whats that . Charlie, advisers never work. Yeah. Look at vietnam. Didnt work in vietnam, wont work here. This is different than vietnam. This is not a jungle. This is the middle of the desert. It never works anyway. Way off topic but i want to thank you all. After this taking a look at another Development Concerning the Supreme Court. See these guys celebrating the Health Care Ruling . Be careful what you wish for. Just ask these guys in greece. Today on forbes on fox, losing track of terror suspects that just happened overseas. Ahead of the july 4th holiday, we need to beef up our Surveillance Program right here. And forget the Supreme Court decision. One of americas Largest Health i built my business with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. I earn unlimited 2 cash back on everything i buy for my studio. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Thats huge for my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . Theres something out there. Its a highly contagious disease. 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Your neighbor is paying your premiums. People who work and had jobs are paying your premiums. People who might have had a fulltime job now working parttime are paying your premium premiums. Maybe youre just cheep and you dont care. This is going to cost more i am cheap, but he is the last person whos cheap, ill tell you that. Cost more than medicate in the next ten years. One surprise after another. Oil subsidies and incentives had gone away, that would have been a big adjustment. It would have been crazy. Everyone dutz pay for that and it was built into this. What now . I think whats scary is we have a Supreme Court, you know, they ratified obamacare, we have a Supreme Court that will ratify any Big Government boon dog until the world, no matter how obtrusive it is how weirdly stated in law, no matter how controversial. This Supreme Court is mandating our way into bankruptcy. Interesting. Dagen. I go back to this all the time the fact we never bothered to fix the giant holes that are in medicare and Social Security before we moved on to try and provide layer after layer. 2030 is when the Medicare Trust fund is depleted. 2033 is when the Social Security trust fund is depleted. Whos going too pay for all of that . Im paying for mom and dads Health Insurance and medicare while theyre if retirement now. They dispute that but i am. Are you an ingrate . Were all paying for it. They sacrificed everything for you. The girls school you went to. Now youre a selfish prima donna. My taxes are paying for they brought you into this world and they can take you out. Who paid for your prom dress . I didnt go. Julie, what do you think of this . The saddest thing is she didnt go to her prom. Thats horrible dagen. You are ungrateful horrible. Look i think this is i have a very different attitude about this. I take the Love Thy Neighbor thing a little more seriously, i think. . With everybody elses money. Sunshine collude mig own money. It is much cheaper in the long term to have a Healthy Society than for people to go to the emergency room for basic care. Right now, 35 Million People nonelderly people. In 2025 there will be 27 million. This doesnt help anybody. Its a scam. It doesnt . It gives more power to the federal government and jacks up all of our Health Care Costs and well have diminished health care. There wont be any doctors left. Go ahead. Talk to the 15 Million People that got Health Care Thanks to this law. Julie, we wont have any doctors in a few years because of this law. Our predictions of death spiral our predictions of no doctor so, far so good. Ben stein here our seasoned sage. What do you make of this . Well were already bankrupt. We take all of our liability, all the unfunded liabilities, they already make us bankrupt. So thats not going to be a problem. Were paying for it all with Printing Press phony fiat currency. Anyway we seemed to be able to get away with that for a long time. Im with julie. Our very lavishly well madeup democratic strategist today. We are a country with a heart and i dont think we can let people go without health care. And mr. Nixon had that idea and he was right. Ben just said were paying for it with a Printing Press. At some point somebody realizes that out there. The chinese, the japanese and they stop buying our Printing Press. What . Charlie, youre young. Thank you. Its a problem for your generation not for mine. Thats a good point. This does put us on a path of greece and we can have fun with it but you cant dispute where were heading. We layer on more and more of these benefits these promises that we simply cannot pay for. So the republicans talk about dismantling the law, the house, for example, voted to repeal the medical devices tax. Never going to happen. Thats a revenue raiser. You have to pay for it somehow. Its here to stay. Think about what ben said about the off Balance Sheet nature of the u. S. Thats all the stuff if you put it all together we are in trouble. Thats what happened with greece. Greece got into the European Union because Goldman Sachs and other big wall street firms finagled a derivative to hide their offBalance Sheet stuff and now its coming it took them 30 years to get to that point. Why are you blaming their problem on Goldman Sachs . You suck um to wall street constantly. You do. Youre blaming them when it was the greeks with the sevenhour workweek. You dont blame the drug dealer you blame the drug user. I blame you. You think drug dealers are bad. Wall street is the drug dealer. Greece is the heroin addict. Capisce . If you were arguing in favor of world war ii being a good thing, i would take the opposite view just for the sake of principle. Ben stein, real quickly, i know what youre saying were a big country, we help our people and all this there is the argument ive heard julie raise if not here in the past, this will pay for itself down the road. Such was said about Social Security and medicare et cetera. That wed never really appreciate the magnitude of the bills were piling up, that the good intentions are always there, the means to pay for them are not. And that to get back to the greek analogy is whats alive and well. We are not that far from greece right now. What do you say . Well samuel johnson, the smartest essayist in the english language told the loss of the american colonies would be the ruin of a nation, said there is a lot of ruin in a nation and lit take a long time for this nation to be ruined by the likes of obamacare. So were still brewing. Its just not going to happen next week. Not in our lifetimes. Maybe in dagens lifetime. Maybe in dagens. Thanks ben. How do you feel about that . Youre a taker and im a giver. Thats what it is. I dont know about that because youre bitching about your poor parents. I pay a fair amount in tax, dagen. You didnt pay for your prom dress. I didnt have a prom dress. I didnt go to the prom. Can we not leonie brinkemabring it up again . You didnt go to your prom . I got stood up. Id take you to the prom. I got turned down 12 times before my mother finally said yes. You guys are all losers. I went to two proms. Im embarrassed to know all of you. You went to two proms and you hailed from the party of clinton. Ill leave it at that. I wish id gone with him but i didnt. When we come back you dont think this will ever happen but the epa said you are not from this planet. Maybe here is a simple math problem. Two trains leave st. Louis for albuquerque at the same time. Same cargo, same size, same power. Which one arrives first . Hint its not the one on the left. The speedy guy on the right is part of an intelligent system that creates the optimal trip profile for all trains on the line. And the one on the left . Uh, looks like itll be counting cows for awhile. So maybe the same things arent quite the same. Ge software. Get connected. Get insights. Get optimized. When i put a report out on acting on climate like we did yesterday that shows how dramatically our world will change if we dont act, i am doing that not to push back on climate deniers. You can have fun doing that if you want but ive batted my head against the wall too many times, and if the science hasnt already changed their mind it never will. In any democracy, its not them that carries the day. It is normal human beings. That havent put their stake in to politics above science. Its normal human beings that want us to do the right thing. Which would make me a freaking lunatic. Are you kidding me . So you dont go along with the Climate Change thing. Youre not normal. I dont have to go back more than a few decades to read cover stories in time, news week and business week. The great global to come and polar bears that will be ruling the earth because its going to be frozen tundra everywhere. That was then. It was wrong then. It was accepted by 90 plus of the scientific community. Im not saying if they were right then or right or wrong now. To not call those not normal . Pretty normal. Ben stein, what do you think of this . I think its extremely serious for this woman who, by the way, doesnt look at all normal to me describing people who disagree with her as not normal, and, i guess, therefore, mentally unbalanced. The science of this is not at all clear. Theyre extremely distinguished climateologists. Its not really happening and then whatever is happening. Yeah it might work for the news networks. When this governments policies and the democrats policies end up sending all of our fuel costs through the roof chuck schumer, by the way, floating the idea of a carbon tax just this past week. Guess what, the whole country is going to get freaky and weird and dog gone angry. This reminds me of that scene in good fellows where he is screaming at henry hill. Youre not normal. Henry, youre not a normal human being. Thank you for that. That woman was a freak. Thats all im going to say. We dont want to go to that. We dont respond by getting to that level. Joe pesche can play her in the movie version. Taking over the epa. Youre not normal. It was 1,000 years when all the smartest people on the planet said that the universe revolved around earth. You know since the scientists it doesnt . You know as the science is settled, and its amazing. Its ridiculous and like you said the normal part is her. The way she is speaking is really desperation more than anything else. You know im going to take a side how people feel on Climate Change and other people strongly feel its real, its man made whatever. Im not going to start arguing it. Im going to argue over the way you sell your strategy. If anything you are a very very pragmatic type of shes normal . Keep going. Im normalish. Normalish. Im normalish. I didnt want to call you normal, but normalish. When you heard that cause, when someone speaks like that i agree with her, by the way, about the fact that im a flattether the science is pretty much settled, but i wouldnt insult people who disagree with me by saying theyre not normal. Before you were born and these news stories are everywhere about frozen earth, what would you have said then . I dont know because that was before i was born. Im not as old as you. The science isnt settled. For them to say its settled isnt normal. About 99 of the worlds climate scientists figured it out. 99 . Where did you pull that number out of . 99 . Im using what thats not true . Where did you pull that number out of . Oh. Theyre distinguished climateologists who dispute that. I wouldnt call it whacky what you just said but whackish. Youre not normal. Youre not normal. A lot of you are not sharing what you are making with your spouse. You dont tell them how much you earn, and you dont know much more about your significant other. What is going on . They dont tell us how much they spend. You wouldnt order szechuan without checking the spice level. It really opens the passages. Waiter. Water. So why would you invest without checking brokercheck . Check your broker with brokercheck. Hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go to your people . Well this summer, stay with Choice Hotels twice and get a 50 gift card you can use for just about anything. Go you always have a choice. Book now at choicehotels. Com stunts so good you will want to share them with your spouse. You got to have exposure to health care insurance. 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