In a limo. Exactly. Between martinis. You know, wannabe president clinton is not worried so much about emails and benghazi. She worries this obama economy which never got off the ground is starting to show major weaknesses on the underlying numbers. You look at manufacturing, you look at some of the sort of granular stuff including the fact that the larger picture of unemployment is still about 11 . Thank you for mentioning the youth because otherwise we would have lost. What do you make of what hes saying . I think hell run on bill clintons economy, shell not run on obamas economy. Victimization, gender. I dont think shes a people person and i dont think shes a good salesperson. Warren is pulling her so much to the left, she has no choice but to go at it this way. Dan henninger had a great column in the wall street journal, the entire party has gone extremely left to the centrist side and not goinging to win over democratic skroeters. The Biggest Issue is the economy with the job recovery the fact there has been no wage growth that, wage growth is barely keeping up with inflation. Clinton pack in this election will be to blame the Big Companies for in the paying more. They will go after ceos. Will it work . I say no. The wedge issue, whatever you want to call them ben stein, have worked in the past for the democrats, what about now . Well, first of all, i disagree respectfully with my good friend, mr. Gasparino. The economy is strong. The number of people who left the labor force say slippery number, has to do with the person alts of people leaving the labor force much more so than the demand for labor. Theres a shortage of labor in many particularly picking berries in california. Can i just finish for a second . Sure. Thank you, sir, but as to your point my very, very very smart friend mr. Payne, youre exactly right. Wedge issue, envy, envy, envy, envy, envy. The Democratic Party is the party of envy about everything envy of men of white people, welltodo people, doesnt matter the democrats are getting most of the money from rich people, almost all large contributions, very large contributions not all but almost all come from democrats. The democrats will hammer away at the problem because theyre the party of privilege anyway. A resident to the left a mcgovernlike move and theyll all go down in flames. Surely they realize that, dont they . Well if they were smart i think they would. People were saying youre saying the liberals are dumb . No, i didnt say that. Yes, you did. No, go ahead. What im saying is i actually, i agree with the first part of what ben said, electorate, to answer the question are you better off than you were eight years ago. Let him finish. Charlie to your point, you know youre reflecting what good investors do. Hold on let him good investors say, charlie what are the risks . Let mime talk for gods sake. Sure the risks are that the economy goes into some kind of tailspin, if it doesnt theyll be able to say things are going pretty well vote for us. Let me make this one point. You can put about ten economists like ben stein in a room and they will give you ten different answers. I will tell you but not too many, lawyers and established actors and american icons. s special lay it last point. To infinity. Ten different answers. Two things to point out. David rubenstein who runs the carlisle group, they kind of know about business creation from a different level than some economists looking at it 30,000 feet and saying the unemployment level is at 5. 5 . Those are the type of people im talking at. I did speak with David Rubenstein and the second part is this. If the economy is so great okay, as ben says it is, and as adam says it is why are people feeling so [ bleep ] . Because their wages arent growing. Wait a minute. Their wages are not growing. We just beeped him, so charlie, say you say it is the recovery thats going to you know, thats tripping up a little bit here. Could you make the argument this has been a tepid recovery compared to others it could go on long enough to help the democrats great elected. Which is my point. Really . I thought that was my point. These are raw numbers you can use to argue the economies but we were in a tailspin when the president came in. However t theyre right to the sense that forget about the people forget about the people in the ivory towers. What about the arming person out there, they still think this economy is bad. I dont care what you tell them. Charlie talks from an ivory tower. Pipe down. Its a wageless recovery people can only put their backs on prosperity. Hang on. Retail sales were down four months in a row. They finally just ticked up, right . Why . This is as gas prices were collapsing, people are not confident to go out and spend. Clearly from a technical standpoint, if the economy turns down a little bit, how is she going to say youre better off today and make the class warfare argument where people like ben stein and you have been doing very well in the stock market while most im all in according to ben stein you were saying at the outset disagreeing with dr. Gasparino saying the economy is doing a lot better than hes saying. The economy is doing incredibly better. We have 1 or this quarter. Sir with all due respect compared to when mr. Obama took office were in the wils of swiles of properity. David retail sales are down in part because gasoline is a component of retail sales. Revenues are going down. The main problem is shortage of workers. Its not just gasoline sales that have been hurting with spending ben and to correct myself, retail sales ohm up for the if time in four months. I just want to make this one point, were doing better than we were in 1935. I bet you. I think youre a hater. I think were doing a lot better. What is Clintonhillary Clinton going to run on the economy was going to craptown back in 2008. Its better than that now. Just a little better [ bleep ] now. All you need is a point of comparison where ben stein was right. Where were you eight years ago and where are you now. Here is the thing. Personal incomes are going up, spending is going down and savings have gone up. Main street is worried about something and i dont know that a politician can convince them otherwise. Well take a quick break enin the next segment well bleep out the words it will be easier. Davey, what have you got coming up . Can Hillary Clinton win over Everyday Americans when shes being called a crony capitalist by some of her own . Mortgage giants dishing out the perks for first time home buyers. Does anybody remember what happened the last time we did ta . Well see you at the top of the hour. Thanks. First the president waging a war on coal and one ceo says it will cost hundreds of employees their jobs. Is it going to cost you next . Well say it without cursing, next. Isis has claimed responsibility. Back to cavuto on business. Well, it is the war on coal, and its now in court and if the ceo loses he said it will not just cost him but you. Hes destroying low cost electricity. Hes destroying that, i see it coming. He was on fox business, which if you dont get you really should demand. I digress. The ceo of Murray Energy telling me if his lawsuit against the Administration Climate push goes south your power bills are going north. Charles, is he right . Absolutely hes right. We were warned by canada they wouldnt necessarily have to go up to do the right thing. The number one issue for the world is climate change. It will be one degree warmer 100 years from now so we must how do you know that . Its proven, already proven. Its settled, the science is settled. We have to take 1 trillion from american taxpayers mostly Small Businesses and homeowners and figure out a way to fix this. Oh youre being sarcastic. I was so slow to pick up on that. Im sorry. Well, it is an interesting tactic to sue the government over, you know legally constituted regulations. Hes welcome to it. He should do it because he disagrees with the regulations. Its a great part of democracy but global warm something a real threat to the globe and so the administration, our government is just trying to dot right thing here. There will be winners and losers, no question. Mr. Murray should fight i support his right to fight. Ben stein . With all due respect and im sure ill get a lot of hate mail about this, Global Warming is one of the great hoaxes of alltime. There is some Global Warming, a very small amount and i dont think he was being sarcastic when he said one degree. Its a small amount. Weather is caused by mans creations, we dont know for sure twl iswhether it is we dont know for sure. To be sure, adam is totally right thats what the courts are for. Mr. Obama has to abide by the courts as well. That was murrays point is that the regulations are onerous and costly and lead to higher utility bills price them out of business. Before this segment today this show i would have said i think mr. Murray is making a great point but i learned today that from adam and ben that the economy is doing so much better so who cares if a couple guys like this go out of business. We are doing so much better than eight years ago. Youre a very vindictive thin skinned individual. He wont let it go. The economy can deal with it, mr. Murray can be out of business. Theres a shortage of workers you remind me of my italian grandmother. What was that, 1967 . David rubenstein, who he thinks about this. Youll be bringing this up weeks from now. The dirty secret and its an open secret people who are pushing Renewable Energy and green agenda they want our fuel prices they want our Energy Prices for coal produced energy for gasoline to be extremely high to force us to use alternative fuel. It is the greatest tax on lower income and poor americans. Ben is the lawyer here but ive listened him enough to qualify with a legal degree, and i think one of the things thats come up with this discussion is whether the president can unilaterally do this bypassing with all the new regulations targeting only one industry. It would be one thing to oil industries, they have to subscribe to this but it was only coal. Murray i think has a point. Unfortunately i think hes going to lose. Nixon created this epa and the Supreme Court gave it the stamp. Its just the most unbelievable boast in the president s arsenal. You are right, nixon created it. Ben stein that makes you kind of responsible. Well, its a daned good thing, the epa is a very good thing but never contemplated the government would try to control every aspect of americans life claiming apocalyptic climate change. You were just a little boy at the time, you didnt listen. Sorry i should have listened. This economy is so dynamic. Oh here we go. Seriously, if electricity costs go up more than a third of Electricity Generation in this country from coal, are democrats going to take responsibility for that . No, because the economy is doing great. Let me ask you something you and your wife get in an argument, do you pull stuff when you were dating 20 years ago . Yes. All right when we come back, do you think airlines are putting this lease on you with these i hope youre sitting down, because this is how you will be sitting next. Planning your trip . Get ready for this trip. I want you to take a look at this new air bus design. Each economy row getting an extra seat. Are you kidding me . Youre a frequent flyer just on citations, private aircraft. What do you make of this . You are the one who flies on private jets, not me. What do you think of this phenomenon . I think airlines are crowding people in like sardines. Air bus is the worst of all. Air bus, ill just get a little gross air bus bathrooms are so small, a fat old map liken can barely fit in them. Theyre sadistic. Its a Greyhound Bus in the air. Flying is not everyone here is pretty thin but youre the only one who could fit in those seats. People need to suck it up. You get what you pay for. Theyre cram ingming you in there because the prices are low. Its not unsafe. If you were fat, you wouldnt say that. You know what, i would stay at home. Really . Yeah. If you were fat, you would stay at home . Yes. Wait minute, what is that . Theres an awful lot of us fat people. You think we should not travel . Then its going to cost more money, the more space you take up. What do you make of this . I think here we go. Gas pump i think this is a positive story about the economy. Another example why were better off than 2000. There are more people flying, conducting business. Youre making me want to punch you. No, im telling you, i learned from an economist today the economys getting better. Answer the question. Youre evil. All right. Its ridiculous. I mean ive actually seen sketches of considering folding chairs. Blood clots, bad backs, misery. I got to tell you the airlines are not going to do anything to injure people because theyll get their pants sued off them. I fly a lot. They switched me from first class to coach and it was from here to arizona and i really thought my back was broken. I mean, its crazy. They cant get smaller. In a business, if you want a better seat you have to pay for it. Whats this thing if youre fat, do you still maintain that deal . One martini a couple martinis. Adam, what do you make of this . This is not something charlies going to be able to discuss with David Rubinstein the head of carlisle, because he doesnt fly commercial. And hes right of course, this is about capitalize. If people dont like being squeezed into those seats, theyll complain and theyll be susceptible to an airline that wants to give them bigger seats. Smells like fritos, feet and fury. What flights have you been on . What route are you taking . All right. Where is all this going . This is the way of the world. To dagens point, the airlines are making money hand over fist. We just see more of this, right . Well, i can remember they used to bring a rose to your chair. I can remember they do that all the time on my flights. I mean, were always getting crumbier and crumier. A couple hours you can deal with it. Its mass transit unexpensive for the masses. Thats why its uncomfortable. Arent they the best . They really do hate each other. The show on the Fox Business Network is called making money for a reason. Look at what you missed. If you did not listen to my buddy Charles Payne, where else can you make 30 on your money in three weeks . Now hes going to top that. No pain, no gain. If you bought netflix three weeks ago when charles picked up on it, youd be up around 30 right now. 30 richer. Think you cant top that . We told him to try to top that. Charles, fire away. Caterpillar doesnt move 30 , but i think it moves up on the rebound in the global economy. Big name, big dividend. Looks good. Mobilei, driverless car will be a reality soon. I think you can make 30 before the years over. Finally, splunk. You never heard of it. We are creating so much data out there, this makes it possible to file on that data. Quick take . Love Charles Payne and i wish you were president of the United States but i dont think he knows more than the market. Great, that will do it. Hillary clinton says she wants to win over Everyday Americans but even some on the left think shes too much of an elitist to identify with folks on main street. Listen to ralph nader. Ralph, is Hillary Clinton a crony capitalist . Sure when she was a senator, she did not challenge any corporate boondoggle and there are dozens of them. The Obama Administration hasnt done that. Her years in new york have just turned her into a dyed in the wool corporatist and mill tarrist. From ralph nader. Is he right or is he wrong . Welcome to forbes on