If they dont get their way on spending, president , i guess just as much a tin ear proposing more spending they could not be further apart, our government of falling apart, what is wall street clinging to . A Federal Reserve he hopes will keep providing juice, the nicotine but fearing that sign maybe the fed will not, not as long as they hope, maybe not as much as they hope, that is where we are, the nation collectively cowering closing embassies as caution, closing off budget deals at an abundance of arrogance, is it any wonder that a billo onion billionaire in blue jeans gets so many of you to email . To those who think only sam, is that face, think began. I think we found another sam, actually he has been around for a while, his name is mel, if you thought sam was amazing. Welcome, i am neil cavuto backtoback in your face, a corporate titan not afraid to let her rip, mel karma son may be in his secret tire am but he is far from pulling punches. He is just this is a guy likes to make noise not just on pay slat satellite room one of the most successful media titans who varitily printed money for infinity ide broadcasting handlg the big egoes to came with big salary, mel karmazin remains one of the most sought after executives on the planet, a head hunt ares dream, but to some, he is their worst nightmare, i heard is say the of mel he did you not suck up to anyone he does not have to, he said, what has to be said, and does what has to be done. Is performance and fortune that is why even in retirement mel is view thzutzut nize. You could imagine tonguing wagging when mel starts talking up a political guy. Chris christie, ring a bell . Remember sam . What do you think of the chatter out of the republican president ial wannabe . Anyone . Chris christie for example. I know chris. I think he is terrific. Neil all right so does mel feel the same . Drawn to a governor who does in politics what sam and mel do in business . Mel karmazin on what he is up to. And how it is that Chris Christie for now figures so prominently to what he is up to. Mel good to have you. Good to be here, but more personally, i am such a fan of sam zells i am scared to death to ride a motorcycle. That said this guy he went to a mighting with me, and showed up at the hotel and parked his motorcycle out front, and offered to give me a ride back to my hotel where i was, i was scared to go on as a rider. Neil here is why i already like you more than sam. You came in a tie, he came in a jeans and open shirt, he looked like a guy with total value of dollar 28. Yeah but he wore underwear. Neil what strikes me about you, is this idea of collective frustration with everything that is going on. Maybe with response to emails that there are not too many guys like you . Too many are worried about their job or keeping a job or offending you know somebody. And i probably should be as worried and aen oofended i just never cared. You also extremely rich does this make a difference . There are a lot of people a lot richer than i am, i was not born rich. Neil i count just a few00. I was not born rich, i an attitude all the way in my career, i remember back in the early 80s fighting the second sec over something that most people said i of crazy to fight them, i didnt think it of the right to pay the fine, maybe because money is so unimportant to me, and always has been unimportant to me, down have a lot of art working and yachts that money did not matter, i felt the ability speak my mind. Neil whether we were talking in the when we were talking about the green room, you are by yourself, you have no people, usually guys like you, their people have people. I had 120,000 people working for me in one position that i had, not that i dont have people that i dont call upon and advise and help, i feel that i can get from my apartment to here without a lot of help. You know, i think i proved it by get hearing with no people. Neil talking about people you have been hanging out with Chris Christie . I have not been hanging out with him, i have no desire, we are both Bruce Springsteen fans, we might have that in common. I i like what he has talked about doing with sandy, but i have a couple houses in think in s in new jersey there is a lot of work that should have been done by now. I mean it is 10 months since Hurricane Sandy and there are still a lot of people suffering. Down there and a lot of work that has to be done. Neil you mentioned his name, and you wanted to do something to help out post sandy and all, was it a reflection . You know christy got in trouble with the republicans said he was cow you toking to the president , and cow t towing to the president , and looked like a turncoat. I am more on social issues a democrat, and financial errors a issues a republican, i have given money on both sides i felt what governor contractor crist dewitt obama at that time was a good thing, i would have liked it better if he did not hug him as much. But, the fact that is is bipartisan, youment to help ment want to help the people of country and new jersey. Problem are about me and i have not seen a whole lot of help from was done. You know, i contribute to a not for profit quote, robin hood, robin hood had a fantastic concert for Hurricane Sandy, the number raised 65 million, that distributed to people who need the money within days. No waiting around . It they had a infrastructure in place they gave away the money, new jersey got a ton of money from fema, and from other sources it still has not all been distributed. Neil you mentioned the ability of the governor to reach across the aisle to get things done, we see very little of, that you are a business guy, you have to strike deals to get things done, when they talk about hutting the government down and not shutting the government down, and is not showing up, both sides do this, as a b a businesy , what do you think. This is crazy, foolish, i heard today where president obama has cancelled a meeting with putin. Because of snowden. I mean neil this is a oneonone . That is the most important meeting, if this occurred i wwuld have flown there to meet with him to straighten it out. But they say they hit each other. So who cares, this is business,. Neil do you might with people you hate . All of the time, we negotiate, and come up with a solution. Neil republicans dont to look like they are caving, president does not want to look like he is weak in the putin thing, do we pay too much attention to that . Far too much, by my going to meet with somebody, does not mean i am weakening my position, does not mean i am caving. You strike me as a guy pro who privately deals with this. There is no chance that cbs will not be back on time warner. Neil it is dragging out longer than they thought, how would you handle it. I think that answer is that you have to think about your subscriber in the case of time warner, and your customer in case of cbs. Cbs, wants more money, cbs deserves more money. No body is going to cancel time warner because they dont have their cbs. Neil do you think that game of chicken has gone on longer . I have time warner in my apartment here in new york city, and i have 12 televisions, in that apartment. 12 it is huge . It is a studio. But have we 12 im not going to cancel. As much as i love cbs, im not going to cancel my subscription, because i know cbs is going to comeback, the trouble of cancels and getting a new service in is not worst it time warner, average kaple bill is 80, they are not losing a lot of 80 customers. I think that but you know, next thing is, when the deal with cbs is up with fios, the same things happen. Neil they play these games. It like is union negotiations, i have been involved in so many union negotiation, never had a strike but i had to get it down to the last minute. We could have settled it weeks ago those union things but it always gets down on the end, i guarantee the day that nfl is back on cbs, time warner has cbs. By the way, whatever they do then they could be doing now, there is nothing fundamentally about it time warner should pay cbs more than they are getting now, and cbs should take a little less than time warner wants to give them. Neil it makes sense, well continue more with mel, for moment go to media guy, is more like the guy that media hopes will be its savior, jeff bezos, put down 200 million for the washington most remember sam zell warned that jeff does not know what he is getting into. Neil jeff, is like francis without the robe, the pope who is going to save print. Sam zell had some advice for jeff, watch out for big ego journalists giving that praise. There is a you know, illusion that they are doing doing gods work, therefore if you do gods work you should get a pass on economic reality. Neil sam disagrees. Journalists turn on a dime. Who knows the huge fragile egoes meter than mel karmazin who handled more than any Media Executive should have to. Howrhoward stern and don irk ime does not think that jeff bezos knows that world. I think that people who know the world really well have all said they dont have a solution, they understand that circulation will continue do to go down, not make as much money, and not pay journalists as much money, and cutback, they have to figure out a digital solution. All of those guys who are in the newspaper business dont know it. I think it is terrorist make jeff bezos will do it because maybe he will have a new prove on it but perspective on it, but most important part he is buying it with his own money, not as a corporation, not buying as will he be able to get changes . Who cares, he paid 250 million, told losing about 50 million, i am sure he does not like that idea. But if it never makes money. I am not speaking for him, you know, im not his spokesman but if it never makes money, it not as important to him it is not making money as it to work work post, which Washington Post, a publicly traded company. I thought interesting thing the graham family, don graham and his mother, terrific people. I think they feel mixed about it, from a business point of view, don feels he has gotten this overhead taken away. The name of the publicly traded company is the Washington Post who jeff buys the company he buys the name, the Washington Post, they will no longer have to get a hair cut on the rest of their assets because they are under this umbrella. Neil but sam arguing, not so good for jeff. Is that they cant understand business logic, but sam made a point after buying tribune company. He would explain to them, were losing money hand over first, i am paraphrasing, they fought them every step of the way. They controlled it, i said youers boss. He said not in this world. I would never sign a Union Contract where i needed to have just cause to fire someone. My feeling was, that i feel i should have the right to fire people. Okay . Ill pay them whatever the severance circumstance i will make sure im not doing it for wrong reasons, but if i thought you were hurting our company and the other employees and hurting the shareholders there is no way, you will continue to work there. Neil but it is a heavily guarantee so Washington Post, stay on the job, jeff has on swallow that would you . No, im not sure they are to swallow it. Neil part of the deal were told. For some period of time. Okay. Some period of time. Neil do you find journalists to be primadonna. I found the ones that did not deserve to be, were that way, and super stars not. Neil how was dan rathers . In the middle at the time, but a bunch on 60 minutes were terrific, i enjoyed them. Neil who of biggest ass you eveofdealt with . Whoevers biggest assees i evr dealt with. Neil i am wondering if it was don imass. No, don was worth every sucking up moment i had to work with he was worth it, i made a decision it was worth keeping don imass because he was so valuable to the company. Neil how did you handle he and stern. I fueled a lit of that debate. You know what we owned a Radio Station howard was on, and then we bought wfan where imass was on and howard did not like the idea. But fact they did not get along in my opinion, made for some fabulous radio. I mean it was great. Neil all of these great sort of, like the yankee lineup under your watch was good for the company, and whoever agitation is caused was netnet good. I believed in contend, the content that i believed in was not buying stairway to heaven over and over again, not the same music. Neil you were not happy to push it to the edge . I remember with an fcc commissioner, i was looking to get his support on an issue, he held up his hand, said, mill mel, this is the envelope, i want you in the middle. I said for commissioner, if this is the e envelope, i should be allowed to be anywhere on the envelope, he said yeah, but if you are on the edge of the envelope, you can fall off, i said i am prepared to deal with it. I think i know the one job that mel karmazin would not want, and one job that would never be offered. What do you think that is . Neil to look at this market. Is it benghaz ben bernanke and n for spending. Every time it look like they are keeping prinking that money. Printing that money is it going to kick us in the can . Mel karmazin what do you think . I think that Federal Reserve has done, 1 1 once they started this buying bonds i dont see a reason today for them to change that plan. I dont know what has changed employment is still not where it should be. Unemployment rate is higher than their target, inflation is not a problem. You dont approve of starting it in first rate, sitting up a level of independent see. I would have been against it, starting it. I dont understand why they did it. I understand why but. Neil because they say if we don do idonna if they didnt if y didnt do it we would be in more too doodoothan we are in do you buy that . No . Why stop it. Why not keep doing it . This is inconsistent. Neil that is what street . Right . We have markets whose fortunes are determined if this tapering thing continues. One reason that i have not gone on to wall street as a career or business, and i down want to have to do that, i think that the issue of this country is jobs, i think that issue here is taxes are out of whack, okay . I dont mean what i pay. I mean the system is not right. Sam zell was agnostic on whether he paid more taxes he said but he damn well better see better results for what i am paying. 70 of who i earn is paid in taxes, i have new york state tax, and federal tax, and money i have is tacked against when it taxed against when it goes to my estate. There is 20 of my money guess in form of estate taxes. Neil liberals say you can afford it . I can, i can number one, i am not complaining about it, i am not complaining about what i pay, but i complain what the money gets used for or does not get used for, i am not a problm saying i pay too much taxes, i am blessed, play by the rules. Neil 70 is a little obscene. 40 and estate tax. In my opinion it should be changed. The country would be better, there would be more employment, pooh there would be more certainty of what is going on, if congress would not sit still, and did something to earn when their position is, thereeare things that can be done, no one is doing, the most important thing are most, most of the politicians there to get reelected. So you know, republicans dont top help the democrats, democrats dont want to help the republican who suffers . The people of united states. Neil do you think that capitalism is dying or dead . With a wood wall street whose performance is pegged to tapering, and whether the fed keeps giving them drugs and Companies Whose performance is decided by how much support they get from the government. I dont think it is that extreme. If you were a Federal Reserve chairman i job you would i dont think you could deal with it. I wont tell you whether they offered or not, why would i want to be on a committee. You cannot make that decision unilateeally, these other people you have to listen to. You know, idea is, if so, no, i dont want it you are right, they are not going to ask me for it thank god. Neil do you think with independent thinkers it is a blessing and a curse, others who might look to fix problem is a certain mind set to problem fixerers bulls in china shops, t in our government we dont top deal with that. So, i remember when, i was larger shareholder at cbs, and may he rest in piece, Michael Jordan was the ceo, and board decided to make a change. There was a question, about whether or not i had the right personalty to takeover cbs. With cb cbs news, i was characterized as just what you just said, a bull in a china shop. And when i was asked that question, by the board, when they were talking to me about it i said, you are right, i am. Neil it would never them well. More after this. But it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. So consider an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. Like all standardized Medicare Supplement plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesnt pay. And save you up to thousands of dollars in outofpocket costs. Call today to request a free decision guide to help you better understand what medicare is all about. And which aarp medica supplement plan works best for you. With these types of plans, youll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. 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[ male announcer ] get the spark Business Card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards. Choose double miles or 2 cash back on every purche every day. Whats in your wallet . [ crows ] now wheres the Snooze Button . Neil all right, continuing on. We think that their messages should be heard. I do think you know, mel to a point, there is a sort of a refusal on part of those in leadership. Not across the board, that they could talk a good game but they wont fight a good game, what do you make . I think that is true, there is a belief. I think that Michael Bloomberg of a grade mayor in new york. A great mayor in new york, there are things he tackled i would not have. But i think he was a fantastic mayor. Neil the big soda thing. And some other. But, as a new yorker, born in manhattan. I am concerned about education. You know, that there is a lot that needs to be done. Neil why not run for mayor . I could not get alleged. There is no elected, there is no way, i would as all of the candidates are paying lip service to teachers union. Neil what would you do . Contracts are up. Bloomberg said a moment to avoid a detroit. I hear teachers accused of horrible things, they cant get fired, they have to set in a rubber room, i would fire them, let them sue me if i broke the contract, let them sue me for getting a child molest o molestf the city payroll, i am prepared to deal with that, there is hardly a politician today that could get elected without having to make a promise. Neil look at new york, one of the priest teen cities in pristine cities, this is the best we could do for candidates . I agree. Neil so why condition guys like cant guys like you, bloomberg said i dont like the way it is going, why not you . I am a private person, i am doing this interview, i have turned down a lot. Neil i know, i appreciate it. I dont like going on television. You are good at it. I dont know about that. I want my private life, i dont want to be out in the public. Neil it is a hassle, that is the problem. I would love to be. Neil i talked with a lot of successful guys they say look at stuff theyel any on and focus on el any onel dwell on. I would love to be mayor if i could be appointed mayor, i dont want to have to run for it, and do what you need to do to get elected. I dont to eat hot dogs and kissing babies, and all of the stuff you have to do for it. Neil what do you think of weiner . It is sad. What do you think of those distancing themselves from him . Smart, i feel sorry for his wife, and same with spitzer. Neil what do you think of him . I was onboard of new york stock exchange, so i think you know that answer. Bad blood . Yeah, i remember having a coconverycasion with him, we mae a decision on how much money we believed that dick grasso should be paid. And what we said, was when elliott spiteliotspitzer went ad go after us, we gave him the money, all this great executive did was say thank you, and by the way if you think we dont know what we were doing if you think that larry fink, and ken rangoon and myself. Neil but you won . The good guys always win. Neil what about president , who would you like to see . Who is running. Neil what do you like. Jame dimon. Neil not a name i thought of but rand paul . None i would. Neil hillary clinton. Smart woman, a lot i like about her, a lot of issues, i am more of a conservative. Chris cristy . Same issue, a lot of christy. Paul ryan . I not found someone i would have a path for i passion for, i would say im coming out of retirement against, because i think that country would be better with this person elected, i will do everything i can do to help that person get elected. I dont know that person. Neil quickly, your second retirement. Your 30 act . It may be nothing. I am looking for something who that would be you know really interesting. I know it is not in the newspaper business, not in Television Business not in Radio Business and not in outdoor business and not in magazine business. Not in media . People who have approached me with ideas and things, i have done that, there nothing exciting about it ive been spending time on not for profits, i could see myself putting 2 or three days a week helping some of those. I really would love, i would love to help detroit if i could figure out a way to do it from new york. Detroit needs help. Neil you dont top go there, i got it you dont want to go there i got it. I can do it from here. Neil mel car karmazin, a pleas, we know you dont do did that often so thank you we appreciate it. Thank you. Neil that independent thinking short supply my friend, maybe reason why rear in the deep poop we are in, well have more. Str. A quarter million tweeters are tweeting. And 900 Million Dollars are changing hands online. Thats why hp built a new kind of server. One thats 80 smaller. Uses 89 less energy. And costs 77less. Its called hp moonshot. And its giving the internet the room it needs to grow. This is gonna be big. Hp moonsho its time to build a better enterprise. Together. Neil were saying were due for their dip . Im not suggestions were due for a dip, i am just suggestions that kumbaya that im hear with reference is Single Housing market will not withstand the test of time. People are worried about keeping a job or offending somebody, i should be as worried, but i just never cared. Neil you see a pattern here . Not following a play book, more like ripping up the playbook. Everyone is going one way maybe it is a good idea to consider another way, sam and mel got rich that way. But we ignore them, because they agitate along the way, in this vanilla corporate political world maybe we could use more macadamia nuts. What do you think . I dont to discount Business Leaders we have, a handful going aggressively up against the government saying we need honest reform. But, these all cries really seem to be the few and far between, vast majority would rather stay below radar, why not . This government has been very consistent in shifting the blame or any public outcry from Big Government back over to big business, saying Corporate America to to blame, why would i draw attention to myself, my firm and industry for that matter and risk you become a target . If you were an independent, strong talking antigovernment for Smaller Government business guy, you risk getting shot down by the president. As antiamerican in some way, have you i president who has an open contempt for business in many ways, you didnt build that somebody else did. You have over stock Patrick Byrne and dos bob parson you have people what are willing to tea speak there mind but thee are more people running scared. Do you think it is hose who do rub those who do rub folks the wrong way that get things done are those who standout, and maybe washington could take a lesson from that to be willing to agitate . That is possible we see that in future, but right now talking about these leaders talking outside the box, upside stops at a distraction, washington is not calling businesses, in what they think in terms of getting america back on track, were still in a environment where business, success, and profit are dirty words, and like david said you are considered antiamerican. There are some people that make a ton of money dealing with government like elan musk, i am sure they put a fine electric car together butly is taking money from federal government and done well as a result. So, all of in struggling Business People out there looking at example of musk and other guys not doing so well because of they have a public profile that against bigger government. Neil thank you very much. All right, you heard it from mel. President obama has canceled a meeting with putin, because of snowden. I mean,. Neil it is a oneonone. That is the most important, if this occurred, i would have flown there to meet with him to straighten it out they hate ive other. Who cares that is business. Here is joe with why he thinks mel is wrong. The boys used double mis from their capital one venture card to fly home for the big family reunion. You must be garths father . Hello. Mother. Mother traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly any airline anytime. Two words. Double miles this guy can act. Wanna play dodge rock . Oh, you guys and with double miles you can actuay us you never miss the fun. Beard growing contest and go win whats in your wallet . Neil it is official, the prez not putting up with putin, he is still going to the meeting in russia but no meeting with putin in russia. Joe lieberman is glad that president canceled that oneonone . Look at what is just happened. We may disagree on snoweden case. But, we have had some history with the russians when one country thinks there is a criminal to be returned for trial. Here with snowden after a lot of pleading by our government, the russians, putin gave him asylum. And to me. Neil like he was shoving it back in our face. He was. Forgive my, reminds me of a new haven politician said, i am cleaning it up in television, dont spit in my face, and tell me its raining. Neil the president had no choice. Other advise he should have skipped whole g20 thing. Because it is in russia our leadership in needed there, i wish that president in statement that white house put out, had focused on snowden, that is really why he is not going, he talked about other issues we tried to make from gres with russian and missile defense. Look. The russians or putin has cooperated in some ways with us but a lot of ways they continue to supply weapons to assad and syria. Neil but this seems particularly glad bad. These two do not get along. Interesting. It looked like they were going to get along better. I think putin is an oldstyle, politic hard International Relations guy. He will only respond if he believes that we are playing by those same tough rules. And basically until now he has a gotten away with what he wants, world sees that, the president after spitting in face by putin in the snowden face, going and having a meeting with him, he would have looked weak. Neil mel karmazin said had was crucial. I dont think they can have it out on a Video Television conference. They can have it out on the phone, it would have looked like he was kneeling to putin, you cant do that. Neil looking at a cold war . Not like the old car war, but look cold war, but look at putin a background, he is kgb with dreams of russian strength, he has been terrible internally, he takes pleasure locking up his political opponents, and he has become always good seeing you. Joe lieberman. All right. Leave it to a guy from bain to say another government shut down would be more pain but this is mitt he is a fit. To cato ceo john elson on whether romney is right to rumble. Good afternoon, i am in empathy with tea party that obamacare is so destructive. Neil at the risk of shuts down the government, john . History is not good. When they try to liberal establishment kills them, it is a hard message to get through, there other ways that obamacare could be one way is to delay it, hard for democrats to justifyethically they are letting big business have a year delay and continue with the individual mmndate. Neil do you think there is something bigger playing with romney was referring, to republicans risk grabbing defeat from jaws of victory this carping within the party whether justified or not is giving an appearance of a party at war with itself. I think that is true, they need a conis a stan consistent solid positive message that limited government, having government out of medical care produces a better standard of living for everybody that need to be a positive message, not a negative message they need to rethink their strategy. Neil i see, a tea party element, conservative party element that is feeling unappreciated and ignored that came to light maybe with whole Chris Christie rand paul stuff over privacy invasion of like, and tea partiers and conservatives like rand paul, government has gone too far, mainstream republicans like Chris Christie say it has kept us safe. There is lies the struggle for the partys soul. I think that is true, and i think important that libertarianss wing wins but it s about government, keeping government out of your pocketbook out of your bedroom, and i think that is message that resonating with vast majority of americans, and so i think that yes, there is a struggle and a challenge, but i think that struggle from a libertarian limited government perspective can be presented more positively, it is about pursuit of happiness, individual living their lives, getting medical care they want on their own terms, those are positive messages, and i think we have do that, that is message we need too have out there. Neil really quickly, do you like this recovery . Do you believe it . Do you look at improving housing numbers . I think were having an economic recovery but it is discourages, 80 of job creates since Obama Took Office are part time. That is a scary number. Per capt ta in capt ta income is not what it should be. 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