But is more spending really the answer . Hi everyone. Im brenda butne, this is bulls and bears. Gary b. Smith, jonas, and John Layfield along with suzie welch and david mercer. Welcome to everybody. John weve spent trillions on the war on poverty. Is more spending really the answer . No its not. In fact we spentd almost 12 trillion on the war on poverty and guess whats happened, changed . Nothing. The poverty rate has stayed basically the same. You see dropout of minorities 50 in inner cities in north america. This is just simply not working. We have evidence of decades to show this isnt working. I set up a program to work with jat risk kids in bermuda. This is my passion and what i spend most of my time on working with inner city, jat risatrisk kids. The government has proven theyre going to throw money at the situation so politicians can leave and forget about it just like the ninth ward in new orleans after katrina was an absolute disaster. Thats what politicians have done and that has been an abysmal failure. David, is there a case to be made for spending more money . I would say theres a case for not cutting additional money and let the bottom fall out from communities were seeing like baltimore that given the recession we entered into in 2008 with people losing jobs minimum wage stuck or wages stagnant expenses for school and other things going up you do not want to continue to cut and see how much people can take to survive on their own, and not, and lose hope in the fabric of the American Society that does lay out a path to the American Dream for upward mobility for opportunities for education. So i dont think we need to be cutting at a time when were, one, coming out of the recession, and people are still trying to get on their feet and we have to close the gap on inequality that exists. Right. Gary b. Government is that the answer . Should we be giving throwing more federal tax dollars at this . Rarely brenda. As you well know im such a big fan of the government because they spend the money so wisely you know, john mentioned one number thats just coming from the federal government. If you throw in state and local government war on poverty, the number is closer to 19 trillion that we spent over what the last 58 years or so 59 years, i guess and counting since this started in 1966. I would argue with david with one point. He says dont cut. Id say yes, that does sound like the humane thing to do except for one thing. The poverty rate was declining actually before we started the war on poverty. In fact since we started the war on poverty, since 1966 the poverty rate has actually gone up. There are ohm a few ways to cut poverty, proven ways. Keep a job, any job full time stay in high school until you graduate and dont get pregnant outside marriage. You line up all those statistics the poverty rate diminishes dramatically. Throwing money as great and as mom and apple pie as it sounds just hasnt proven to be the solution. Suzie, where do you fall on the issue . I think we might be talking about the wrong kind of spending. Were talking about the money thats being spent on fighting the war on poverty but the government is spent on a lot of money building the joy began tick regulation machinery in washington. You cant say in one week when theres riots and also a gdp report of 0. 2 that there are jobs for people. I would say lets talk about spending less money on regulation and more money on job creation and the education, put that cost on the businesses to create training for education so people can have jobs. Riots happen when theres hopelessness and despair. Jonas, is the federal government the one who should be spending money to create those jobs . Look theres a lot of people i dont think are employable in the future of this economy the way its going with the skill set thats needed which touches on some of garys points. Im not saying remove the poverty, because every city might look like the pictures if we had no war on poverty but we dont know what that future would look like if there was no lyndon johnson. Lot of the money goes to punish bad behaviors in the areas. There is not a whole lot as reward mechanism. Theres handouts for food and housing, most for the judicial system paying for prisons. The prison costs more than the crime theyre going to make was going to net them. I think the government needs to shift the money around to create incentives that dont exist that could mean jobs that arent really there like fdr type jobs to do work. Rewards to stay in school to garys point to not get pregnant get good grades stay out of jail. That would cost less to pay someone nut jail and the incentives arent there for the people to not fall into these traps. John what do you think about that . I think that is a massive problem. Look you got to break generational cycles here and the war on poverty has not done that. Jonas talks about incarceration, generational problems with incarceration, with poverty, with gang membership. Look you talk about income inequality and upper mobility and all the fancy buzzwords. They mean absolutely nothing. Theres not income. 50 of those people in freddie grays neighborhood were unemployed. There arent any jobs. Last saturday i spent between the two six nations and the latin kings, in chicago, beyond the ball are helping kids stay out of gangs and stay in school helping kids to get jobs. Theyre doing this very well but not with the governments help. The government should partner with people like rob castoneto on beyond the ball in chicago because the government has shown they are absolutely inept. Weve done this for decades and this has not worked. The government cannot do this. David, john has a point there. I mean the government has tried to do this. There hasnt been success. There has been success, and it was alluded to before if we did not have some of the programs that do exist, just imagine what pictures wed be seeing other than the ones were now showing. But thats very difficult to say, just a hypothetical. Poverty rate is close to what it was in Lyndon Johnsons time actually it has been reduced and columbia researchers found out with a plemental income forecasting that the poverty rate has gone down from 29 to 16 . So it has gone down with new metrics but going through the original point of view or the point that you were raising is that you could free up the government from issuing food stamps if you raise the minimum wage from 7. 50 and had the private sector paying fair livable wages at 12 an hour. They dont have jobs. If i might finish then with those jobs more than 7. 50 they wouldnt also have to supplement their incomes by the federal government with food stamps. That would be one Cost Reduction that would accrue to the government and have the private sector paying for it for the productivity of the workers. Final word john . Look buzzwords, its meaningless. You took about the minimum wage as a feel good panacea. Tell that to the millions of americans. Im sorry we have to go. Auto ill sure this debate is going to continue. Cavuto on business in about 20 minutes from now. What have you got . Out of all the shots this week maybe this was the money shot a baltimore mom taking her son off the street. Should more parents take note . Plus how is this for cahones . We freed these gitmo guys and now they want us to pay up for every year that they were locked up. Does anyone feel like ponying up . Well see you at the bottom of the hour. Thanks neil. Going to be a great show. Up here first protesters burning businesses looting businesses and bashing the business feeding the guys helping protect their community, in foxnews. Com. Youre watching the most powerful name in news, fox news channel. First, the burning and looting. Now the bashing as looted businesses are cleaning up and burned out stores think twice about rebuilding whole foods facing a backlash for feeding the guys brought in to protect the community. Critics on social media saying whole foods feeds the oppressor. Gary b. What do you say to that . Its craziness, brenda. We just talked about in the last segment that one of the roots to stop poverty is to have people have jobs. The businesses of baltimore provide those jobs. The police are brought in to protect those businesses as well as the firemen, by the way, putting out the fire. Whole foods steps in and says thank you. Thank you for supporting the community, thank you for bringing law and order. Thank you for protecting the businesses. I should they should be applauded, this is the businesses that helped the firemen and police outdoor on 9 11. No one said then that the police were oppressors. Everyone was thankful that we had police dragging people out of burning buildings. I just think the values here are skroud up. David, what would you say to whole foods . If i was at whole foods and internally deliberating the decision to feed the National Guardsman my question would be whywe feed only the National Guardsmen, why not the Peaceful Protesters that are out there and build a sense of community, a sense of oneness and unity, rather than youre feeding one but not the other. I think they open themselves up to looking as being exclusive as opposed to being inclusive, and i think you are seeing in their actions pulling photos off their website, and retracting statements that they are having second thoughts about not including maybe the protesters in providing them with sandwiches as they did with the National Guard as well. I dont know whole foods actually gives lots of money to charity. I think its like 5 of their profits. I mean should they be criticized for what theyre doing . Absolutely not. Look this isnt an either or situation. This isnt the fact ive seen on social media that they had tweets going out about why are you not feeding kids . Why dont you just feed the whole world . The National Guard theyre feeding them. Ive been out to iraq several times, seen a lot of our National Guard, these guys are heroes. I applaud whole foods for what theyre doing and also applaud whole foods as a communityminded operation. Okay suzy criticize them or thank them . Lets get some perspective. About 13 of the country is on social media, and this is actually an organized movement on social media, they create a party and then they attend the party and its just a warmup for 2016 when these sort of professional agitators get online and try to what they call destabilize the enemy and that means they try to destabilize any business that seems to be on the other side of the issues than they are and woe to the company that gets in a ti st st y about it. You have to take a deep breath especially if youre whole foods which has done so many god things for the community. We know who we are and doing the right thing and not going to let a bunch of people out there professionally devoting take our eye off the ball and distract us. Of course they should be thanked, this is politically motivated and more and more is going to happen. If i was whole foods id forget about it. Yo nas where do you weigh in . This smells a little whole foods is a Great Company and done a lot to bring healthier food to america. Theyre not creating jobs in inner city america, near is starbucks. The companies are not going there and creating jobs a. It does look like a police proekt itpro protecting the assets this anger should be directed towards the government because theyre the ones subsidizing corn syrup and lousy food in inner cities. Whole foods how are they not creating jobs . They are creating jobs but not in the communities that are currently having riots. Thats the catch here which is why on the public it looks a little odd. What im saying is its not whole foods fault. Bentley isnt going to open a dealership there. It is the governments fault for providing garbage food to people one of the main problems among others in the areas. It shouldnt be directed at whole foods. That is where the problem is i think. Whole foods, john quickly, is in some of the communities. What do you say to this . They are in some of the communities and theyre supposed to be punished because they dont have more stores in the communities . I think this is totally misguided and for people to say why dont you do more at least theyre doing something, feeding National Guardsmen who come to protect the city. They should be applauded. Okay thanks guys. Cashing in just over an hour from now, eric, what do you guys have coming up . Some liberals avoiding fox news and blaming the media on the mess in baltimore but are liberal policies why inner cities have so many problems . Plus dr. Phil is here he says our fellow americans are betraying us and join isis. See you at 11 30. We will. Up here first d. C. s new plan to save americans taken hostage, hire a hostage czar. But will that ramp up the ransom . Just because im away from my desk doesnt mean im not working. Comcast business understands that. Their wifi isnt just fast near the router. Its fast in the break room. Fast in the conference room. Fast in toms office. Fast in other toms office. Fast in the foyer [pronounced foyyer] or is it foyer [pronounced foyyay] . Fast in the hallway. I feel like ive been here before. Switch now and get the fastest wifi everywhere. Comcast business. Built for business. That recent u. S. Drone strike killing two hostages held by al qaeda fueling calls for, get this a hostage czar. The folks supporting it say we need a centraler. Devoted to helping free americans held hostage, but suzy you have reservations about this, why . I guess, brenda i missed that part of the constitution that had the Fourth Branch of government for czars. This is ludicrous. It happens in business all the time. Czar is like adding a layer of bauer crassy and it happens when the people in power cant come to an agreement and cant make a decision so they just add a person like a task force or committee and nothing ever gets done. Its just going to slow things down and really what we need is a policy and a government that sticks to that policy especially in Something Like this it is dangerous. John you actually like this. I do and i agree with suzy about the word czar. It has a horrible connotation. This president appointed a lot of czars to get around congress and they havent really been that effective. You talk to the families of the hostages that have been lost and they all talk about a bad communication with the government and i think were not doing a very good job with the hostages that have been with he need to do something. I wouldnt call this person a czar but i would put one central person in charge of this. David, doesnt this have the possibility of ramping up the ransoms . Well i dont think so and to avoid another layer of bureaucracy that was just alluded to i think you assign it this portfolio if you will to the National Security adviser, National Security council or at the pentagon or its state, because they involve or the ultimate goals of those in hostage taking is a Foreign Policy or National Security agenda so keep it in current existing operations but designate somebody who is on point by it so theres accountability for it. Gary b. Whats next . Well next if someone gets food poisenings in the mess hall were going to have a mess hall czar if someone takes friendly fire well have a rifle czar. This is the typical solution by government more government. Weve tried it already. We thought we had that with Homeland Security. Homeland security that agency has purchase to be a mess. The people at Homeland Security that work there think its the worst department in the government. So this one central focal point in trying to tie in all these little thiefdoms as there is in government is not going to work. The only way this is going to work is if we paired down government not make it bigger and more expensive. Jonas . The problem is these departments are owl bureaucratic. They dont have managers in them they have the crazy government pay scales. In theory having a czar we start with george bush who brought the czar back from the fbi levels. It can work. Some cases with the pay scales and everything brought people in but just bringing in people as appointees for political reasons is not going to help the problem. That is the bureaucracy on top of bauer crassy. Maybe an unlimited pay scale, a bonus structure to oversee the bauer crassy. Suzy last word. The biggest scariest part of this is if we have a czar well have more hostages taken because theyll have somebody to negotiate with. Its going to backfire in an epic way and its luke a locomotive coming at you. We cannot do this. Thanks guys and thank you, suzy and david for joining us. We appreciate it. Good to be with you. Point, click and take off. How you could soon be hitching a ride to space with the guy behind amazon. Predictions . Gary b. Youre up. Brenda tesla, yes, tesla is getting into the battery business for home and businesses. I love it stock up 50 in two years john your prediction . Stay connected with linkedin. Linkedin shares up 30 in a year. Jonas . Jeff bezos from amazon is a millionaire. How is his competitors going compete with his science project . Neil is next, stay tuned. To baltimore and the question everyone is asking at this hour not what becomes of those Police Officers charged in freddie grays death, but why there arent more moms like this one trying to prevent the situation from even getting worse. Welcome, everybody. Im neil cavuto. She is the mom with whom it is safe to say you do not want to mess. Particularly if youre her son, and youre messing around with the police at a riot. At first i felt like i was embarrassed but now going through all this that im going through i feel like my mother do care about me. I shouldnt have been there. Toya graham taking matters into her own hands