So if democracy is, in other words , riding a bicycle, what we have to balance in our country we cant stop stop in an ideal state, we have to balance nato or what is called the code, thats about as if on near the ceiling of the circus there is a ball on a wire and a person riding a bicycle on it. That is, it is a balancing act and we do not know. Lets hope. Of course, the karsional grain will be in the decisions made by citizens and governments, those who support us, that they understand what this is. An existential war not only for us and not only for the eastern flank but for the actual european project then of course we will be more optimistic and we will be helped and you know when i asked you this question i dont know why i omitted this moment with trump who can become the president of the United States of america and really then the question of oil in general there are a lot of question marks can er after this question be but this morning i also watched the interview of donald trump on the american nbc tv channel in the program mix depression nau and here in the host asked him a question about ukraine, for example, if you become the president , what will you do . And he said that again. Oh, if i were the president , i would immediately stop this war, i would put one at the table, the other at the table, they would negotiate and thats it. She asks him. Well, what exactly would you talk to them, he said, oh no, these are secrets. If i revealed my secrets to you , i would lay all the cards on the table, but there was one moment when she i asked, but for example, if you will, for example, insist on this condition that ukraine, for the sake of peace, must give up territories already conquered by putin , territories temporarily conquered by putin, of course this is obviously about the Kherson Zaporizhzhia region and donetsk the luhansk autonomous republic of crimea then said oh no, no, no, it should be ukrainian, but then he immediately added, but if, once again, when putin seized crimea, well, he didnt say that, he made such hints , if he seized crimea and the donetsk luhansk region, they would sit down at the negotiating table and then we would somehow agree on uh, to give it to russia, judging by everything, then there wouldnt be a bloody war, there wouldnt be so many deaths. Well, thats why im very worried. I always say that if i lived in the United States of america, i would i was definitely a republican, but i i wouldnt vote for trump. Well, its just something not so big, the Landing Party said that its a territorial dispute, its true that he was attacked by traditional republicans, he took a step back, but now we see that hes lost a lot of positions and is in second place, but there s still mr. Vivik who is this person who gives in quantity absolutely without appeals and this is such universal stupidity that you can imagine well , you cant imagine and he was in third place its a pity that but mr. Oleksandr 5 of support for that viva karavasmani you cant to take into account in general, i think so, i think so, i hope, its just a pity that those, for example, michael bence, former Vice President or enika gelli, permanent representative at the un , they are not tortured at all in this republican current reality, and its a pity that a real republican views of the reiginnitsky type, they are not in demand now , but demagogy of the trapelsky type, or there are greens or some others, they are common, they are gaining momentum now, because they have arguments, and they are absolutely populist when they say, for example we dont need to help ukraine, we need to strengthen security we have a war on the southern border well, its like you can stop the mexicans and all Latin Americans with heimers abram with other things, that is, im pure demagoguery and its harmful to the interests of the United States, first of all, im not talking about communist democracy there human rights are also present. Of course, in our conflict, but from the point of view of what will happen to europe, the key allies of the United States and against russia. Yes, he is also against china. And if he is in danger, this bloc, if he the nativ blog will spread, yes, that is, they dont think about it, they need to quickly convince the largely uneducated electorate with demographic arguments and come to power and, in principle , largely dismantle the democracy they built, because trump has a plan in which way he is going to concentrate power in our own hands, reducing the influence of the ministers on the government these few minutes as in the end and with all the spectators who are watching us now turn to the spectators you can make yourself a coffee sandwich rest for a few minutes although after all why rest if the conversation is interesting we will be back in a few minutes dont miss the new season of the Champions League on megogo cheer for shakhtar against porto and watch the super match bayernmanchester united on september 19 and 20 at 22 00 exclusively on megogo there are discounts on voltaren forte and Voltaren Emulgel 20 in pharmacies traveller, bam and save, the war continues and not only for the territories, it also the war for minds russia is throwing millions of oil dollars to turn ukrainians into little russians ukraine will become russia analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists concrete facts and methods by which hostile propaganda turns people into obedient zombies to this ldr lets counter the information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of information wars with olga laziness tuesday thursday friday at 17 10 on the espresso tv channel every day every hour every minute we receive a large amount of information even an expected event of the year, what is actually happening at the front, what are the losses of personnel and equipment on the field, how does the International Community evaluate our successes, and what is moscow lying about from the stream of news coming from far and wide, we single out the most important ones from closely monitoring whether there will be weapons for ukraine and what and what they are whispering about the russian occupiers behind the backs of the commanders news the results of the week this is a review of only important events, events of the weight of credibility this is analytics, fact checking, expert comments , much more today in the case of important things in simple language available to everyone viewers of vita in the studio of iryna koval and this is the summary of the week on the espresso tv channel. Courses of Economic News and new sports for two hours in the company of favorite presenters, presenters who have become likeforlike to many , as well as distinguished guests of the studio, the events of the day in two hours, vasyls Big Broadcast in winter, a project for smart and caring people in the evening, the most espresso is the 23rd separate rifle battalion of the armed forces of ukraine is now already in such a significant position. And in fact, at the very edge of this position , we are holding the defense. The battalion is wedged in the defense of the orks in Donetsk Region and is holding positions right now. The military needs our help. The fighters need drones to lead the development and destroy the enemy. On the approach, we take the bait every drone this is the lost enemy and the saved life of our soldier, join the gathering , we will show our soldiers that we are with them, the world during the war is on the air again with me oleksandr hara, an expert on foreign and Security Policy at the center for defense strategies, a diplomat, lets continue our conversation, oleksandr. I will only say two words to those who watch your youtube. Please answer. Continue to answer the question that we asked you , and it sounds like this. Russia, ukraine, because the west is tired, exhausted, wants peace with russia , your option, your option, write in the comments , mr. Oleksandr, about russia, and lets continue with these negotiations, because recently at least last week, both putin and lavrov said that we are not against negotiations and never talked about it, although we are well aware of how many times putin has said that we will not sit down at the negotiating table until all the tasks are completed before the socalled un special military operation , and here putin is speaking, lavrov is speaking the same way as putin said that we are ready for these negotiations with ukraine, and if ukraine , because ukraine itself is refusing these negotiations, look at these statements from russia what can they testify about, that putin really feels huge problems and he needs these negotiations, no, i dont think this is a continuation of the same demology with a smoke screen of the Registry Office or disguises, as they like to do, that is, there is clearly nothing in this, because it can start very simply peace in ukraine this is the usual stop by russia in this aggression and when the occupiers withdraw from our territory or, for example, if it were understood that they would like negotiations , realizing that ukraine is wavering and ready to swallow the loss of territory and restrictions own sovereignty and then they could play such a role, you know very often the aggressors talk about peace because they want their victim to simply not resist and that is why this is the case and they give principled arguments to different masks and others, which means either aa lets say yes, well, lets say so as a quilter. Would you look at the outspoken russian agents in the west . What they say, they want peace. And this zelenskyi is somehow wrong and is supported by biden for some of his own political reasons. Is zelenskyi not actually a subject and you are not surprising such negotiations thats why it took everything away. Of course, putin understands that its quite difficult for him, or he didnt get a threeday victory, and now he has to go to the far east to meet with him in a short way in order to ask that soviet model for ammunition. Well , actually well, this is the same indicator. Although of course they understand that i am analyzing putin and his entourage , that they have a spare time, well, that is, it is not a Democratic State who can remove putin from this position. Moreover, crimean nazism has grown into this lets put it this way, support for this war by the vast majority of russians, if they didnt want to Say Something else in the west or the russian liberals, thats why he feels quite normal and i think he can sit through it, but for this he needs more help, even from such people these projectiles, so i dont think that this is awareness. Moreover, this person who does not use the internet there, who is completely secretive in the folders , receives information about the worldview of such people, e. Who lead the Russian Foreign development, there or other special services, he is completely clear i. E. The theory of languages. And this means that we are winning, and in ukraine there are fighting, so mercenaries and so on, that is, of course , he has a distorted picture of the world, and within this distorted picture of the world, he sees that there are problems, but it seems to him that he has resources er, it means to hold on for a while, and then the west will either falter or fall apart, or return to some other conflict, more generally for him, oleksandr, when answering this question, you said russian liberals, in your opinion, russian liberals are because i, personally, to me since when i am talking about them, they are called the socalled liberals. Because it seems to me that this is, well, no, well, my personal opinion is that you cannot call these politicians liberals, if they are good, i want to hear from you. I can name only one surname they are a couple. Of course, he has a chance to get into power in the Russian Federation, in principle, i am not talking about the kremlin anymore, they are equal to minus there some 100 . Yes that is, this is a person who remained a person and fti in that, lets say, the assessment of the existing situation is not very different from what we say and of course, im not talking about the massive stormtroopers because, well, you can see now the new wave of indignation, not putin, not the equalkilling war, and the fact that russians are not given the opportunity to play on cars in the territory of neighboring european states. That is, they are compared to putinism, some even started with the holocaust compare imagine the arrogance of the russians who carry the passport of the aggressor country, that means they blame European Countries that help us defend ourselves from the ginesadal war blame compare them with the nazis of course, this is beyond the bounds of some decency and morality. But thats how there are such liberals as they are in the Russian Federation. They have no chance of getting into power. They, unlike their predecessors in historical times, clearly did not choose political forces, but they do not teach history because in russia, you can come to power either by accident or by being ready to drown in blood like the bolsheviks, all liberals do not have a special program, and they have no support, that is, they gave so they are far from the people as the classes said that they are not ready to go. Lets not say so, take this power with weapons in their hands, except, of course , those who are fighting on behalf of ukraine in the rdk and others to subdivide this, i understand people who understand how it is possible to restore order in russia and come to power, others well, they they are asking those who hope that the victory of ukraine opens up possibilities well, but where to count the number of russian residents here , as they call them because they are very correct. By the way, they say they were elected, they also call them residents, not citizens, because there is really no awareness of the subjectivity of all people, and where are those residents who will vote for navalnoy some other i just dont see it and thats it of course i agree with you 99 of the eyes in quotation marks should be taken but there are individual cases where it is possible that command respect i understood mr oleksandr well now lets move on to the main event of the week that before us is the main world event of the General Assembly of the United Nations in new york starting tomorrow, the main thing is that there is a week of highlevel meetings there until the 26th , president Volodymyr Zelensky is going there, he already has a meeting scheduled for wednesday with joe biden on thursday, he also has a speech planned at the conference. Last week, i read several American Media that they call this visit of zelensky to the United States to the un General Assembly a special diplomatic operation. How important is this for us, mr. Alexander . Well, i think these are extremely important visits. Four goals, and we have already talked about several of them, of course, if we are talking about biden, this is to show that we have the same level of relations, and it is possible to enlist the support of biden we will eventually receive a positive signal about operationaltactical missiles and maybe about the f16 , but well, thats what it is the second thing is communication with the cameramen and in order to convince them that it is necessary to vote with the help of ukraine. I dont think that there will be any increase of all aid but at least at the level requested by the administration and of course that this is an appeal to american citizens that this war is also important for americans and it is in their interests well and the last priority of course it is to try to convince the socalled global south to support our peace formula and at least begin to put pressure on the Russian Federation, we saw that this is the final communique of the group of 20 , it was uh, well, not as we wanted, because it was by and large toothless, of course there were mentions of sovereignty , territorial integrity, that now is not the era of war this is the phrase of Prime Minister modi, but it is a pity that the assessment of the armed aggression of the Russian Federation as such was absent, unlike the previous ballistic declaration of course, zelensky will use his charisma to use some additional arguments to sway african countries to his side. Well, i think that the further we go , the more understanding there will be in these countries that russia plays an extremely negative role in that region, that is, it supports the change of power. Violent, it is a destabilizing factor, on the other hand, it cannot bring anything to african countries because it has scarce resources to help these countries, if we are even talking about the same grain, then what they promised at the same time russia africa but it was orders of magnitude lower than the africans could afford to buy from russia and ukraine together. That is, all the handouts do not solve the problem and they are not needed. And that is exactly why it will be an important moment for the president to say that russia is driving a structural factor, the sooner this war ends the better for the whole world and the war can end permanently no no no pause when we achieve a just lasting peace based on the statute norms and principles of International Law mr. Oleksandr well, not you it seems that it will be especially difficult to convince the global south. It is very difficult, especially considering some of the statements that came out last week from ukraine, in particular mr. Podolyak, towards india or china. Well, when he said them, he obviously had all the other countries, by implication all the other countries of a global rooster well, it will be almost impossible to convince if , to be honest, i did not exaggerate the role of a panfarrier in World History and diplomacy. I didnt say anything, and now i understand when a person says such generalizations. Its either stupidity or manipulation. I understand that even a diplomat can use such words in order to achieve a certain effect. Well, i dont see what positive effect you could achieve. If we say yes, all the words were well, uh, intention, yes, that is, they were said on purpose. But on the other hand, the question is different that the global south is such a uh, clumsy name for a large number of countries that have different interests. Well, for example, the same Chinese People do not visited a group of 20 on the eve of the publication of a standard map of china where they drove a little into the territory of india and the countries rooster they have contradictions and they treat one with great suspicion , im already talking about others. But we can try to appeal to those interests and those , lets say yes, even illusions that they consider reality, well, roughly speaking, our war with by the Russian Federation it has a noncolonial character, that is, russia accepts us as a territory and not a separate state. And you know , unfortunately, the russian narratives that they are fighting here in ukraine with the american empire, they sit down very well on lets say so, does not reinforce these conditions of certain politicians , experts on fuel rooster because they pretend that at one time the western powers were colonial powers and they colonized africa, and the soviet union was the force that helped to free them from this, although this can of course be argued with by and large, the atlantic declaration uh means uh was signed between the United States and britain, it was i think the most important impetus for the British Empire to begin to fall apart and uh means that these colonies disappeared, including there uh in that part of the world well then the most important thing is that we just have to change and adjust our key messages to those countries which mean that for some reason or other they are either accused or somehow more supportive of the Russian Federation, of course i understand that some countries depend on the Russian Federation federation from them, for example, the same flagners and such military support, but mostly those countries to which their neighbors are becoming careless, we saw how after the recent mutiny, the African Union had already prepared for a military action in order to prevent this contagion from spreading to other countries states, therefore, it seems to me that this message is important for us, it is separate , we have limited resources. It is clear. And financial and er, that means organizational. It works the other way around because these are former imperial states or the west in general has some problems there, plus the west neglected the interests of africans for a long time and they say, well, it is completely legitimate, well, now you want us to suffer something there , impose some kind of sanctions or put pressure on the Russian Federation, and where are you there were when we had problems , you ignored us, that is, there are a large number of problems , but they, uh, they are like that, lets say they can be collected in a few to several baskets. Well, they are definitely not a global such a cocks basket that is, you can work with them, and these problems can be solved. I mean, ukraine has time, but on the other hand, of course, we need it as soon as possible to get everything necessary to defeat russia, but we will not get anywhere after that, and we have to live in this globalized world the world where the socalled global south is gaining momentum and the economic and Demographic Center is there, and we will have to look for new markets, new friends , and so on, so of course this work needs to be done well, not only with squatting on our company upon dismissal territory in the 24th year is clear, mr. Alexander well, and one more thing, john kirby said about this, the coordinator of Strategic Communications of the White House Security council said that joe biden, the president of the United States of america , intends to propose the general assemblies of the United Nations organization to reform the un Security Council is intended to make it more inclusive. And for this, add five or six new members, among these five or six new members, there will be germany , india, brazil. How much do you think . I personally think that this could just be some preelection company of biden when he offers Something Like that, but it is not a viable offer at all , in my opinion. Well, you know, kirby said when he was asked about some specific ideas. He said that we we want to start a discussion about this well, by and large how many are there, how many discussions about their reform are there, and it is correct here, but i think here yes, of course , there is an element of propagandists, and there is another ideological point, because if we say not a professional system, and the one that developed after two terrible wars on the territory of global wars on the territory of europe , then these eyes between ere lets say that International Relations regulate which are regulated by International Organizations by multilateral diplomacy, this is the heart by and large of these liberal approaches or idealistic approaches and thats why i understand why he wants to say that there is a platform where you can solve problems , at least discuss about it, and of course that this is a very positive thing, that the negotiations will give us a new impetus for the expansion, at least the un Security Council although i understand how much contradictions will immediately be involved well, by the way, i would like to see japan as well, and there korea and e. E. China will immediately be involved. Against this, i think that there will be certain e. E. Nuances and such others in relation to germany. That is, it is a complicated process, but if dont discuss it, if you dont try to do something, you can destroy this organization , we complain that it is ineffective and it is not effective, although i have a controversial thesis , which i repeat quite often, that in fact it works as it was conceived at the time in the 45th year, that is, there were always five countries that could block any decision , so that one power and the others, and then there were actually two blocs, so computeristic and communist. I am not talking about countries that did not join. They left each other at their will, that is, as it was intended. It works. Its just that the world has changed and we wanted to be able to stop aggression or punish the aggressor, that is, there are none. Well , you know, 140 countries voted for the fact that russia illegally annexed crimea, supported territorial goals, approximately the same number for aggression and about as much more for the management of the settlement of this war on the basis of the principles, principles, norms and International Law, that is, there is such support, but how it is implemented is a question and all the constructs of the war after the Second World War do not work, so of course the discussion is very good and i hope that it will be continued not only after the elections in november next year. Well, as you say, this discussion can continue for a long time, i mean about the reform of the United Nations by oleksandr i thank you very much for participating in todays program for your thoughts and comments. Oleksandr kara, an expert on foreign and Security Policy at the center for defense strategies, a diplomat, was my guest today and expertly answered my questions. The results of the vote constantly say that the vote is not a vote, but your answers to the question that we asked at the beginning of the program. So, the question is. Russia, because the west is tired, exhausted, we all want your option, so tired, 43 think. Exhausted 7 want peace with russia 35 . Your option is er 14 i will read your options after i leave the air i didnt have time during an interesting conversation to watch and read so ill see how many of you are watching now 1042 people thank you all very much this is only on a special channel for the world during the war Program Thanks also to those who watch the general espresso channel on youtube. And thanks to everyone who watches the state for us turned off or in power well, for today i have to finish everything due to lack of time, but i will already start preparing for next week , because we will meet next monday at the usual time, there will be new guests, there will be new topics, but it will be interesting, as always, my name is yuriy fizer , see you all greetings the audience at espresso is with you anna eva