Glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. In the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory, today in the program. Battle during the time of yar. Putin ordered to capture the key city by may 9. How the armed forces hold positions in conditions of a shortage of shells and personnel. Iron dome and davids sling. Israeli air Defense Systems demonstrate almost one hundred percent efficiency. Why does ukraine not have similar protection . Chinas plan for ukraine. An accomplice of the kremlin is trying to play the role of mediator. About what olaf scholz in is negotiating with xi jinping in beijing. During the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests major of the armed forces of ukraine ihor lapin and diplomat volodymyr yelchenko. However, before we start our big talk, lets watch a video of how hymers destroyed enemy beech in donetsk region. 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We have our first guest on the phone, this is ihor lapin, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special officer, peoples deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation. Mr. Major, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. Glory to ukraine. Glory to heroes. First of all, mr. Major, lets talk about the situation surrounding the time yar, because the head of the armed forces of ukraine Oleksandr Syrskyi said that the military is superior. The russian leadership has tasked its Occupying Forces with capturing the time yar by may 9, i quote the head of the armed forces forces of ukraine the enemy is concentrating efforts to break through our defenses, west of bakhmut, the exit to the siverskyi donetsk canal, donetskdonbas in possession of the settlement of chasiv yar, creating conditions for further advancing to the kramatorsk agglomeration. The implementation of the enemys plans is hindered by the heroic defense of our brigades, which literally dug into the ground, restraining the enemys daily attacks. Mr. Major, how do you assess the Current Situation in the district . Time gap and most importantly plans in russia to capture the city by may 7 . Well, lets be frank, they often make political statements, i mean the russians there , sometimes until may 9, then until january 1, then before the president ial elections, then after the elections, then lets say maybe already after the holidays, then i can to say sarcastically, but now, speaking realistically, is it possible for the russians to seize time . You understand that today, unfortunately, we do not state the question of whether time will stand, but we discuss the question of when they seized it. What does this mean . This suggests that the planning of the defense of the city was carried out only according to the standards of the defense of the bakhmut fortress or the defense of avdiivka. In particular, we despise again the flanking attacks of the russians, who are trying to take the city in a semiencirclement. In order to simply kill logistic chains and the city thus found itself under fire control from three sides, at least. The russians did this in a hurry, we saw that when they could not take bakhmut headon, they first took a salidar in the north, then in the south they set fire to several settlements in the same way, and in fact bakhmut came under fire, in fact a bag of fire from three sides, similarly they worked in avdiivka, we remember this entire history, the only road through. Was actually interrupted from two sides, the russians in the south and in the north in fact, they took such a bag into a trap, so to speak, and continued their work of destruction, having a total advantage in artillery, the destruction of our armed forces of the defenders of ukraine. What happens during the summary . Two months ago, igor lapin went on the air and said friends, lets look at the settlement of ivanivske and there it is kalynovych, as it has already been forgotten, cholera is clear. I apologize for that settlement, that is, to the south north of chasovoy yar, and in fact the russians and left, they are now pressing in the north over chasov yar and where ivanovske is in the south, of course, not giving up trying to take it head on, especially since they went to the outskirts of the city and they actually wedged themselves into the urban development there, not very far, deep, but actually approaching, lets say, further. What will happen next, well, i dont know how they look, of course, i cant comment, criticize or not criticize the genius of the one who comments that the russians will then go to kramatorsk, i look at the map only from the point of view of what i see that i know, of course, i do not know where the main reserves of russia are located there, where the main reserves of ukraine are located, and therefore it is difficult for me to comment on their future steps, whether they will go to the kramatorsk agglomeration, but i am watching something. That they both from the avdiiv direction and from the zchasiv direction will break into pokrovsk, because the logistics that actually go through pokrovsk, they feed all our groups that are located, well, in donetsk region, and this is actually the logistics that goes from the dnipropetrovsk region, the issue of kramatorsk, well, it is possible, but Sloviansk Kramatorsk is quite a serious building site. There are factory territories there, which can be used as bunkers and so on, so i dont know how realistic this scenario is, it looks more to me, well , the direction of pokrovsk, of course, i understand that after the times of yar, something needs to be done with kostyantynivko , kostyantynivka is also not built with a finger, as they say, the town is not small either, i was there in my time, as they say, and i can orient myself where the main defensive lines can be located there, especially since there is. A serious height difference and so on, that is, all this will happen, but the question is may 9 or not before may 9, it all depends on the strength of the means that the russians will throw there, if they throw their air forces there now, and we will still wait for the patriot from germany , maybe there for a month or two, then of course they will sort out the kabami in that the time will be spent on molecules, and that will be the end of it, but i emphasize once again that the question is whether they will still want to take the city right away, whether the roosters or the half will still go. In the semicoverage, so to speak, the bag of fire and to take under fire control, this is already a matter of another discussion, and therefore, we once again penetrated the defensive component, which is called the defense of flanking attacks, now, well, to counter this , we remember how the third assault unit countered when it tried to let the defenders of avdiyivka out, yes, they began to hit from several directions, but still they still tried to kill him. The possibility of the russians attacking from the north to avdiyivka, well, how will it work now, if we continue to dig into the ground and hold back the blows, then this is hopeless bullshit, because. A total advantage in artillery, they are any defensive the frontiers will simply be disassembled into molecules, and assuming that we dont have patriots wandering there, then the aviation will do its dirty work, well, these are my thoughts about the combat situation. Mr. Major, the Washington Post writes that there are many drones patrolling the sky above the front line in ukraine, hunting for any signs of movement, so the ukrainian russian troops, as the publication writes. Have almost no ability to move around the battlefield, not being spotted and killed, we see this war turn into a drone war, a war missiles, and how in this situation ukraine looks in confrontation with russian capabilities, well , how do we continue to work in a single marathon, we write off 1. 5 billion to finance the channels of oligarchs, now. Life is very difficult for akhmetov, pinchuk, there, lyovochkin, well , the state took over the function of financing oligarchic channels, instead of directing additional funds to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. At the same time, representatives of certain structures very skillfully, manipulating public opinion, formed, so to speak, a false representations with the screams of drones instead of cobblestones and held rallies near city administrations. Well, what i want to say, and then people will wonder that. Why is the United States repelling missile attacks on israel, and why is it that they are not helping us . Well, because in israel these conscripts do not swim across the river, across the tisza, because when they warn about a possible attack by iran, in israel they prepare to repel this attack, and also work with neighboring countries that could help repel this attack, we rejected any moments in this. Text all the information was rolled into the asphalt and now we have our own problem regarding Unmanned Systems, well, look, we have april, the month is ending, so the quarter has passed, of the million drones that zelensky talked about at the press conference, according to the idea of 300 there, 400 thousand drones are not enough would be in the army, i do not know of any unit in which such a number of drones would be sent somewhere approximately, at least in the amount of 50 or 10 there, 10 there. I hadnt even heard of that, well , thats all, then, well, we announced the creation of a new kind of troops, even a combat officer, my brotherinlaw Vadym Sukharevskyi was appointed to lead this kind of troops, well, there is a leader, but there is no kind of troops, that is, structural units, units have not been formed, what to do about it . Your colleague vyura botusovs analysis of the historical parallels was very good, where once the infantry was the main lever, and when. Tanks appeared, then gradually, gradually , tanks were no longer attached to the infantry, on the contrary, the infantry was put on armor, as they say , as an auxiliary function for tanks. To date, if we see that technological the breakthrough is just that, well, the tanks of the first world, you can say, today they are drones of the third world, yes, that is, if we see that drones are becoming the main lever on the battlefield, then what should we do, should we give drones to the infantry or not . Adding infantry to unmanned troops, you see, that is the whole difference of reformatting military thinking. Yes, mr. Major, i hope that we will now reconnect with igor lapin. In his evening video message, president zelensky called on our western partners to strengthen sanctions against russia and its accomplices who resort to missile terror. Lets listen to what the president said. Of ukraine. Russia uses every day, every week, every month to do significant damage. Unfortunately, aid to ukraine is still limited, and the russian state still has access to critical components necessary for the production of missiles and drones. In each missile that strikes ukraine, at least dozens of electronic components, chips, which are supplied by. Horses from other countries and imported through the territory of neighbors of russia in shahkhed, the components are also produced in the free world. All this must be stopped, and the condoning of terror and the ability of terrorists to find accomplices around the world can be stopped. Major, you are in touch with us, i hope. Yes yes. Unfortunately, the connection was interrupted and you started talking. About Unmanned Systems and unmanned troops and as a separate branch of the military, as infantry, how they help the infantry advance, i will continue. Well, it should be just like that, now it should be the other way around, on the edge of the blow standing drones, as a kind of army, the infantry should only be an auxiliary, as they say, part of this story. Mr. Major, president zelenskyi talks about the sanctions that the west should introduce against the Russian Federation, about those contractors who provide components there that allow russia to create very quickly. These shahedis, there are sanctions for two years, in your opinion, they are not working, or they are not working enough, or our western partners do not want the Russian Federation to be completely defeated on the battlefield, so what related to these mantras about sanctions and the fact that they are ineffective, lost touch with ihor lapin again, i. Hope that we , in particular, with the fact that we will recover now and rerecruit mr. Ihor, and since zelensky has already announced about the fact that the west should strengthen sanctions, and this is related, russia is using iranian shaheds, which, by the way, successfully shot down israels western partners, israel was shot down on the night of april 1314. We saw the effective operation of the air Defense System and the effective operation western partners of israel, great britain, and the United States america, as well as the eastern partners of israel, jordan, that is, the countries that provided full support for these flying objects that iran launched on the night of april 1314, more than 150 targets, they were all struck, and well, you see now , friends, this is a video of how this whole system worked effectively, and of course, in this story it is important to understand that iran attacked the state of israel, including with the same shaheds, these flying mopeds, as we call them, which it exports and provides to the Russian Federation. And we are in our heaven we see the same shaheds, but we see how quickly the western partners deal with these mopeds in the sky in the middle east. Ihor lapin is in touch with us again, mr. Major, lets hope that everything will be fine the second or third time. I am asking about these sanctions because president zelensky is being called to introduce sanctions, that is, these sanctions are not enough, they are. More is needed, or simply the western partners give russia the opportunity not to be defeated by ukraine. Well, lets state my position frankly sanctions do not work in the context in which we are would like to unfortunately, the big global world is very dependent on russia, on Energy Carriers, on their goods, on gas there, on oil there, well, on everything that russia can produce there, and this is very serious. The problem is, only an iron innovation can save the situation in the world of any country that attacks anyone, no matter where, not just sanctions, but an iron innovation, nothing goes there, not here, not across the border, not outside the border, firstly, secondly, any country or structure or organization that helps the undersanctioned escape must itself become automatically an outcast, because otherwise, well, look, russia earned more than 550 billion euros on Energy Carriers in. 2223 years during fullscale aggression, and we dream of american aid in the amount of 60 billion for this year, for example, you understand, well this is the whole big problem, and in order for the sanctions to work better, you need to pursue your policy of diplomacy, not the diplomacy of the kryvyi rih in sneakers and the diplomacy of rudeness. Nato, but thats not what. Nato you see, thats why were not in nato, some say, look at how the americans help israel and so on, and i say the same, because in israel, if you go to some single marathon, excuse me, its some kind of bad story , i will say politely, and will start to tell something about the troubles of some things, some disrespectful attitude towards the military or members of their families, this person will never shake hands again in his life and will not be at any marathons. Look at what is happening in our country, well, thats the whole difference, and sanctions can work only in a complex, when with all peace, and in order for china to help circumvent sanctions less, it is necessary to talk seriously with china as well. Stop flirting, the European Union is a serious consumer, problems in trade between china and america, i was recently shown a video of a halfempty port in shenzhen in china, where queues for raiding ships used to stand, and china feels it very strongly, in them it has its own problems, very serious ones, and countries are beginning to refuse to reserve currency in yuan, who allows it to be done by the american and european ones themselves partners . That is why we have to choose a side, either we are on the side of the axis of evil, or we are on the side of the axis of democracy, or we are on the side of those who fight against the axis of evil, or we are on the side of those who are afraid, sitting, putting their heads under, as they say a pillow and thus forms a message of fear, but today we have no other choice. Mr. Major, on april 11, the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine adopted a law on mobilization, or rather, it is an amendment to the laws on. Mobilization, and the deputy chairman of the Verkhovna RadaOleksandr Kornienko says that under a positive scenario, president zelensky will sign the law on mobilization within two weeks. At the same time , the deputy minister of defense of ukraine, Ivan Havryliuk , announced at a meeting of the congress of local and regional authorities that a review to confirm the fitness for service of those people who were found to be of limited fitness will begin in midmay. Also, according to him. A system of recruiting centers is being developed, which should increase the number of contracts to 45 thousand per month. Lets listen to what ivan said havrylyuk we continue to develop the system of recruiting for the ukrainian army. Starting from february 11, 2024, 10 Recruitment Centers in five regions have been opened in ukraine. This is lviv, poltava,. Zaporizhzhia, kharkiv, two centers and six in dnipropetrovsk region. By the end of june , 27 more centers should be opened across ukraine. Mr. Major, all the measures mentioned by the deputy minister of defense and the law on mobilization, how they will change and whether they will change the process of mobilization and the process of recruiting people who go to the armed forces. They. Buried mobilization with one sentence that was removed from the law, namely the issue of demobilization. In this context, it killed, actually killed any motivational part in a persons head that wants to go to the recruiting center, in order to, what, mobilize to retirement, to 60 . In our country, by the way, even in the absence of hostilities , servicemen were discharged from the army at 45, and from. Now it is at 60, so you want to say that someone will leave, no, maybe someone will leave who feels the power of inspiration in himself possibilities, i dont know, i dont know much about them, to be honest, well ill be honest, i just dont know many of them, even among those who were ready, i said that if a summons comes, ill go, but i wont volunteer, but if a summons comes , ill go, but today people dont have such a motive, but a promise tsyatsyanka, that we will meet there somewhere in 8 months, by the way, this is a complete lie and worthless, because there are no such rules that ten months are not prescribed anywhere, this is so blah blah blah, that is how killing the motivating part of going to the recruiting office center, they can open at least 100 of them, it will be a waste of money, because it it doesnt fly like that, it wont work like that, they need to solve several issues now, and what will they do with those who went on vacation and dont want to return to the army, this is the socalled nw. You have no idea how many such people there are now and how many criminal cases there are. Maybe the sbi will tell journalists, ask how many criminal cases there are on this matter, and it is not because people are not motivated, they were scared, they are in good faith, who have been fighting since the 14th year, you understand, well, they come to the rear city, look at the result of the work of a single marathon, to taverns, discotheques, as they say, passee population near restaurants to summer cafes and so on, and they say, and im going to the mice, to death, to the swamp, to drones, to russia. Us now to be discharged from the army, either you are 200, or you are 300, or you are under the article, and you can still be captured, then maybe they will change you, if you survive, and then you will be given the right to demobilize, well, this is absurd, thats all, they they simply took, buried any motivation, thinking that it can be replaced with money, you cannot replace it with money, ukrainians do not they are going to fight neither for lard nor for sausage, not for money, because ukrainians are going to fight for their independence, for their state, they. They turn back, to the rear, and look at what they are fighting for, and they freak out, they look at what is going on with them, so you just said the thesis that there might be such a story somewhere there, somehow, that. They will review those who are of limited fitness, well, thats right, those who cant fight should also be reviewed, they should be released and thats it, and not keep them somewhere on the ppd or somewhere in the reserve, and they get me that salary, and lets put it this way, and they dont go home either, why, that is, he cant go into battle, he is kept somewhere there, conventionally speaking, in the ppd in chernivtsi or in zhytomyr and they dont let him go home, but he sits there in the barracks like a homeless person, because he is not not for war and. For peace, because for peace he has not been released yet , what a moronic practice, but today i get a call from my brother, wounded, him, he comes to the military unit, the headmaster gives him a referral to the commission of the vlk, attention, to the city of kramatorsk, a person goes there to kramatorsk, to pass the commission of the vlk, removes he rents some kind of housing there, lives like a homeless person, because he still has a salary of 200 or 300 hryvnias, that is, this issue is not going anywhere, the problem is not going anywhere. Because he is out of state, he was treated for a long time, he was taken out of state, how long will he live there, pass the medical commission, do you remember how much is given now, 12 months is given for passing vlk, thats normal, well , you understand when idiots indulge to that green button in the parliament, they generally have the impression that they do not orient themselves from space, what is happening, further, transport mobilization, as citizens comes in, no, well, you can at least steal from someone. There are cars, get ready, this is Something Like this today, the thesis that citizens of ukraine who have two cars, one can be seized after an assessment, if there is a car there a sedan and a jeep, then they can take a jeep and so on. Im not talking about dos and donts, but one and a half yards for a marathon. Further, the booking of circuses of football teams, these chupachups and shawarma producers according to the decisions of local selfgovernment bodies, among others, is normal. This is not normal, and in this way, they simply kill any motivation, thats all, and if there is no motivation, then they will swim through the yew, well, this is not normal, thats why i really like the theses of the deputy minister of defense, who sits, tells how many they will have, how they will soon have spaceships, furrow the expanses of the world ocean, a kind of unmanned army, i say it again. Created even the commander is a kind of troops, what next . But its okay to look at whats happening and talk about what we still need to demobilize people are impossible, but we had to leave, to be honest, we can mobilize, we need in order to have dembel, we need to mobilize not half a million, as the industrious bad guy said, but a million, then we will be able to make a full rotation and dembel, and not a small promise, we will think about the law due to the fact that we threw out one sentence in the current version that we are voting on today, we threw out one sentence and now they will spend a year thinking about writing a whole law, well , you understand that no one will do this, well its a joke, people understand it, lawyers do they understand, the soldiers in the trenches understand it, but the most important thing is the usurpation of power that takes place with the help of licking the greatest leader of our time, by the way, i was just not talking about zelenskyi, but about yermak, because the only marathon in our Country First licked Kyril Tymoshenko , and then. Ermaka, thats all, and whats next, and then we look back, and for which state we fight, on the one hand, we fight for our families, for our loved ones, for our relatives, soldiers fight for their brothers, for the soldiers who are next to them in trenches, it is clear, and on the other hand, take at least the news does not include how the electronic casino helps to live today in the financing of the state of ukraine, no, but what is the problem in the army, has anyone thought about it, it is a trandets, what is the problem, so that you understand , because. This adrenaline surge, then they sit and add adrenaline through gadgets in quiet times, well, this is not normal, and what zelensky forbade, no, he said that it is necessary to understand and take control, such a topic is normal, they have already taken control, the period of gambling in the period of war, you know, we still didnt have enough casinos today, but everything is fine with us, we still dont have enough casinos, and i dont need to tell you about budgets, they spend the daily budget on taxes, and they rake in. The other 364 days, you know, in a year, one day they paid for taxes, and the other 364 days were in their pockets, that s all about casinos and such troubles, believe me, we can list these betrayals, its already me, well , i really dont want to be, you know, a traitor and always aim at the same gate, but on the other hand, well, if we keep quiet about it, well so what