To choose words somehow, because you know the words. Its not enough for them its not enough for them well, we need to somehow identify our enemy for our descendants, for our next generation, somehow come up with a name for him so that they can google it. I dont know what will happen next. Google cant. Will somehow read about it and find out if they are called differently and use obscene language for it, everything leads to this, that this is a blurred concept of who is the enemy , who is not the enemy. The war must be separated with a concept so that it is clearly understood later, a person there after 100 years, even if he opens a textbook and somehow name them somehow so that it is clear to everyone at once well, here everyone has something to work on, even i dont know, the teachers dont know who are the philologists who are working on this issue, somehow make a definition and only name it like that, thats why im just a word for them to come up with and then use, Everyone Wants easy victories, everyone is talking about it , almost everyone. To finish for some reason no one is pushing for some reason eh about our problem we dont want to talk from one side its also right because to show problems eh when and so there are problems but the war is going on well what are even worse problems i have to focus on this but i have to somehow after all, to prepare people that sometimes you can watch and analyze not only from the sofa, sometimes you have to raise yourself up, raise yourself up and do something so that we win , saying that i pay taxes, by the same token, i do something for the armed forces of ukraine, this is nonsense, everyone pays taxes. Paid taxes, you have to do something on top of that, if you cant fight, i dont know what to do so that everyone gets involved in it. In the beginning, there was this movement. Yes, there were many volunteers who help over time. Help me if i understand that in now we can only fantasize about it, but tomorrow they say who has won for a year and a half can turn around and go home you turn around and go home oh four months i turned around and went home well, it turned out that probably not we need some kind of logical the end of all this well, an incomplete end is possible, but somehow, well, i immediately say , for example, to all the guys, the case is for the territory of ukraine. I will not go even if there is an order, i am here as a mobilized person, only defending my borders , for me, logically, it would be the end if there were still complete victory, or the liberation of all territories. But there would be some hostilities there on the border, yes. Maybe then, yes, you can liberate yourself if there is, as they say, an operational pause, like , you cant shoot with a large caliber. Maybe that would also be a reason to liberate yourself. That, well, there is no hot phase, it means, uh, well, somehow, someone is already starting to solve this issue, here is what is now, i think not. If i were given such a choice, i would wait for some resolution, i have not gone yet. But in principle, i have opportunities to go even now there are also injuries and others. Who wants to stay, we have guys there who have a lot of children, five children, but one and he fights a lot there, well, if he is conditionally limited fit, but they return on their own, although they can, for example, go to serve there according to the place of residence of registration. There are a lot of such guys and probably because of them i decided that well, we have to go to the end somehow, or we gave each other a word that we will be together , which means that we have to finish it together , what is war, in fact, it is a set of measures from this side. Look, everyone understands that now they do not have enough military resources to not overcome but they continue to fight, if they continue to fight, it means that they have some goals, and their goal is either to break us morally so that we surrender, relatively speaking, or to bring the state to such a state when we lets raise our hands. Well, we wont take it out morally, and we wont take it out materially. Somehow, its just banal, everyone will take it and leave this territory. Well, there will be conditionally 15 million, 20 million will remain there , and then there will be a second event and we will have nothing to fight back, thats why war is a complex of measures and political measures and media measures, that is, they show that we are weak somewhere, they finish with this er, they extract with losses , they finish physically , so you cant give up anywhere. We perform the task um very, very well. We never left the position without an order, we almost always fully performed the task at hand, well, for me it is a happiness that i can at least do something for someone, for example, and i am satisfied. I am satisfied with myself guys. Well maybe you should always enjoy life, even in such conditions, that is what life is all about, right, you should not put it off for later, you have to somehow survive and live at the same time and try to glorify life. 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We really hope that this impact will be positive , we expect good part of the news is already in the form there are already 300 or so millions of atakams in the form of aid, but there are other points to be discussed that we started talking about last time during our broadcast, namely the impact of what is happening on the geopolitical schedule on how the world is changing, and we will talk about this in particular with volodymyr fesenko, a political expert, with oleksandr hara, a diplomat and expert at the Defense Strategy center , with maksym zhigun, a political analyst today. Thank you for coming to join our conversation. Not only this week is so busy and brussels was very active. And it is absolutely true that history continues to be written in the other hemisphere because right now president zelensky is speaking. Part of this Big Conversation we may see live just during our conversation because very quickly this International Wheel turns about such a person i still wanted to wait because already well honestly we are already starting to blow on cold water we so much we read the articles that they will be given to us, and now we hear that they will be given but not with this warhead but not with that range well, okay, lets see, this is also the result of the actual political struggle that is being waged by the opposition media and opposition resources, and in relation to that, i am trying to find the truth somewhere in the middle, the opposition is afraid to say a failed visit and put an exclamation point there. Well, dont write a failed visit and write a question mark, and look. Maybe i ll count it out right away, because all of last night, today, im especially there and some russian, even opposition publications, and from some of ours, i hear such a remark in particular, and why are they citing it, well, they say it is not like last year when the president spoke in the congress, yes, and now there is no such speech, and i have to remind you that there are diplomatic protocols, there is an official visit, and the president is not of ukraine or some other country does not speak before the Congress Every time , it is a great honor that not every head of state correctly yes yes and in that the current visit is a working visit first of all and not only washington but new york was very important and in washington, not only the white house, but also meetings in the congress, everything, working meetings, another situation, the elections are starting , and there is another moment that needs attention. Pay attention to the third year in a row our president is in the white house for the third year in a row, this has never happened before , of course, the war has an effect, but it is very important, and zelensky said in one year, the current year is the third meeting of the two president s, it is like this an intense, high level of interaction between the usa and ukraine, which has never existed. And this is exactly what is important. Maybe we dont get everything at once and what we want, but what is important is the level of such ongoing intensive interaction between the two countries. This is exactly the sign of a real Strategic Partnership on the tip of the tongue again, there is opposition to you and your position, for example, by people who profess a different political position, and it is completely unreasonable, and they say that they are tired of the rhetoric of president zelensky and his the predictability of his rather aggressive style of behavior in some moments, moreover, i tracked how it is presented by russian resources, russian resources are presented on ancient zdru with those who speak it in ukraine , they went further. I dont know if olgas is a boot farm or what kind of farm they wrote. It must be in russian from the victim, eh. The coalition, yes, and it happened everywhere, for three days they bombarded with exactly this narrative , first of all, how do you feel about it, and secondly , what can be opposed and by what means should it be done . President she understood and considering the fact that for a month in a row we have been conducting such close negotiations with our partners about the transfer of the next package of weapons, we know that it is partly not a success, a certain global breakthrough counteroffensive, which many talked about, which was also heated up took place precisely because our colleagues and partners from the west and not only from the west could not provide us with those weapons or did not want to , the question here is also the question for what reasons and for what reasons this happened and accordingly. I noticed such a change in rhetoric to a more aggressive one not only in the case when they talked about some of our partners who have changed their accents and now their behavior, but in general, it seems to me that the consistent position of the ukrainian today is absolutely logical of the state, moreover, with regard to the negotiations in the United States with congressmen, it really seems to me that it is not about ukraine, it is not about changing the rhetoric of the president , it is about the elections, lets follow the position of the speaker of the house, e. E. Mccarthy, and the representatives, who also said that he is not guilty of anything to the president , let him report to me, let him tell me, and here, before concluding that they stopped loving us , we need to understand and under what circumstances is he himself on the map, this is the person who was appointed to the position of the head of the Chamber Representatives with a certain consensus with a part of the trumpists to whom he is in a certain way obliged, and he understands that now by giving the floor to the president in the congress, he can receive from the huge number of trumpists in the parliament from the Republican Party the institution of acceptance and from the post if he is voted in, well, it is obvious that for a person at the end of his political career, therefore , it is also necessary to take into account the context in which he became president and the circumstances in which the United States is. And i will remind you in nine days that it should already be in america has voted on a budget for next year, but it still doesnt exist. And now the representatives of the Republican Party are actually rocking the democrats, how they are trying to create simply dark times for President Biden and for the u. S. Parliament in general , because of the conditions in which we have found ourselves. Key representatives of the parliament with the president , most importantly, with other people who are oriented in the topic and provide us with help well, this already deserves respect and well it should be reflected in what the russians are asking me it seems that our main narrative is not to react emotionally to any emotions that sometimes come from our partners, but a reaction is not an emotion. This is an absolutely destructive narrative. And actually, the situation that happened with poland is now being developed in moscow from this iry broadcasts this idea therefore, ukraine must understand that any of our political disagreements should be turned into dry bureaucratic procedures as much as possible, which well, in the event that with poland and we need not to respond with raising the stakes with insults with similar things and to turn it all into a maximally dry bureaucratic process, which at the same time has a clear position of ukraine , which does not agree with this, and it seems to me that this is only now the context and we may lose a little in Everything Else well, not a battlefield , somewhere to know about ourselves and an aid package of more than 300 million from the United States , more than 400 Million Dollars are planned for canadians. By the way, this is probably the first case in history when canadians killed trance, which is heard by female consumers, because they are quite modest. To be honest, always aid packages to us alexander, what did you hear during your visit to america , and if we are already talking about military aid , will this story now lead to the fact that military aid or the Turbulent Times that are beginning with the United States may be , if not frozen, then reduced again yes, yes, they flew into the back of the president when he was already in canada and left the United States of america, they already flew, flew in the opposite direction , let me sit down in the winter first, and lets remember president poroshenko , who spoke at the congress and said that i do not i can protect the country with bed sheets at that time, obama, merkel and alan did not care what was happening here and they tried to come to an understanding with putin and not help ukraine now , what can we say, those messages and critics need to change the rhetoric a bit, because the first bell was what ben said volis and this scandal around him, he was not talking about himself, personally , not about britain, we are grateful all the time, the president s are all talking about this, but the americans understand that they have a certain context and since 2016, ukraine has been an important domestic political as a factor in the United States, remember that one of our ukrainian oligarchs was accused of supporting Hillary Clinton in the elections, that the elections were allegedly interfered with by ukrainians, trump remembers it. Well, at least here there are no facts, but there are facts that this did not happen. It was the Russian Special services, then the impeachment of trump, thanks to the perfect conversation with zelensky, he remembers it well, and now the most important thing is that he is biden with his very successful case of ukraine, because in other directions, he does not have north korea, iran of success, afghanistan was a big, big, lets say, an image loss. Ukraine is a big case, and not only from the point of view of real politics, from the point of view of the idealistic views of the democrats and, above all, of biden. Therefore, it is necessary to understand their internal contexts, of course , it is necessary to change the rhetoric somewhat, but this does not mean that there is for example, we are the same margarine tevel green or gates or polrenopole such staunch putinists. I would say so or the vatniks who constantly blocked constantly voted against aid and we will not do anything with them and the same as the klaxon in which will soon be k there will be a separate program on the russia channel, he will broadcast this erer, it means trembism, this is why we will not do anything here, we have to do those that show effectiveness, this shows our strength of defense, this is the first moment, the second moment what does Ukrainian Society show . We are determined to win. We are not going to make concessions and when, if you saw the question to the president on 60 minutes, can you come out and make compromises . I think the answer was very cool. Illogical, that is, not from the point of view of international law, there are the borders of the republic of kazakhstan, and the president said that i gave awards to the families of the victims there. I cant return them to them, but i can give them victory, and it seems to me that this message is just not logical, but emotional. Goes through and reaches actually even for those trumpians who are on the ground about aid and for such it is a specific thing. I think that our calculations have a fork, a traditional fork, daryna kylynyuk voiced during the questioning of jayko sullivan on the one hand it is the fear of escalation, on the other hand, fear the collapse of the Russian Federation, if ukraine, well, lets say so, will deliver a very powerful blow, these are the most important things, the second thing you remember, er, god forbid, but well, they came out, they are probably preparing it in them, a frozen reserve. I, her , who was raised during the cold war and they understood the ideological opponent of russia as such, these are a little different , that is, they relaxed and by and large, lets say , the makeni cohort, it already left there. Yes, from the congress, thats why we see this attitude. What they give us, they will give us a small amount, this is a symbolic step to unlock the german torus, and to remove all these questions and the pressure that there is from the republicans, from the democrats, eh , its constantly, well, it doesnt even annoy them , for sure, but on the other hand, its correct we have to get the thing, im already joking, we have to ask them for tamagavkas, which means tridents, because at the pace they are there until the end of the next process. It was left to trade further and others expanded the victory should be so but by the way an interesting point about such a decision was actually not that many were produced in total if i am not mistaken 3,800 of them by the way the United States used a little more than 600 and there is another problem with them purely technical why not give the large packages right away and we are now hearing about a small number that many of them have simply expired most of them are now being physically processed in factories in the United States in order to reset expiration dates, therefore, receiving even a few dozen pieces and from a symbolic point of view is very important, and also it will be a certain incentive to receive more in the future when after the new year there will be physically more of them on the market in the United States the taiwan factor because everyone is preparing for taiwan and even there are such, mr. Colby, he is such a think tank of the trumpists, he says i am in favor of it first he was against us, he said it is not necessary to help ukraine at all, and then he says it is necessary but the most important thing is that we have ourselves first protect taiwan and then ukraine, taiwan needs these missiles, they dont need them, and they dont need artillery , so lets give the ukrainians a lot of it, but these are the systems, and thats why the taiwan factor will always play an important role, but i want to say why e tam not immediately, a little later, i think, after all, the conversation between the two president s had consequences, you need to understand the style of Biden Zelensky well, maybe yes , but you always know well, there is a certain slowness here yes, Pay Attention to a year ago well it was less than a year when zelenskys previous visit to the United States took place, they asked biden about the abrams. He said no, nothing. Now the first batch is already going to ukraine, and at 16 he also said no to understand the mood because there are positive results. But we understand at whose expense is the delay problems, i say, unfortunately , there are, but we have to take this into account, thats why we joked, but in fact, it is really necessary to put forward such demands and this offensiveness that the russians criticize. Why do they criticize, they are simply called that offensive, but this is the offensive of foreign policy, it works, it worked, now it is possible to act a little more flexibly, but it works, but why is it now, because of the attacks, why is it a small party . I think that this is not so much a help to us , but a warning to the russians, a warning to the russians about, lets say, the prolongation of the war against someone there new offensive actions. If you bet on the palace of war, there will be new batches of weapons for ukraine. Please tell me a certain period of time ago. Foreign minister kuleba said the following the phrase that in the fall we will face difficult times, maybe we will be forced to negotiate. Did you notice signs of such a coercion for peace during this visit . The offensive operation must be negotiated and immediately joined. Well, of course we reacted , this is understandable, but also our sympathizers and, above all , former American Military diplomats, that it is not necessary to demand from the one that she cannot do with these resources and what will the american said no need to demand from ukraine that it is slowly doing what we did not do at all well absolutely that is why it was knocked out i think this is the most important moment and of course now from successes and what we will say so we are watching on in the southern direction, well, first of all, these last two weeks with those operations and its snakey, its tarkhankut its the boyka towers, then the strikes on sevastopol. Its an extremely important thing there at the negotiations. Pike perch yes yes yes yes this shows the class of our force defense because it is what is called melty dimin, that is, a multidimensional operation , it means that it is not separate such things, this is the first, second point, it is a supporting er, what is happening in the south, the third extremely important point is the crimea because although everyone says that crimea is the territory of ukraine , no one except five of putins friends is going to admit otherwise, but they all, at least in washington, are definitely those who are afraid that the entry of the Ukrainian Military into crimea will mean that putin will reach for the red button of this in fact, we have shown that if it is possible to hit the cream and there is no red button, then excuse me, that may be the only case , in 2018 the russians approved the principles of this strategy of nuclear deterrence. It seems that is what it is called, and there are listed various options when they can use Nuclear Weapons entry into crimea thats for sure no , they never said that there are Nuclear Weapons there, but an attack on Nuclear Weapons facilities, and we struck at a strategic uhuh means with planes, it could be formal from the point of view of legislation the russian pretext is not crimea as such, thats why we showed that these red lines do not exist, and i think thats exactly what it was. Maybe even they watched the news today from the headquarters of the Russian Federation on the territory of the Russian Federation, which is the basis of the artic there were periodically something burning there and it is obvious that there are representatives , they can say that the referendum was held there, this is our territory, as well as some parts of the donetsk and luhansk zaporizhzhia and kherson regions, respectively, if only then we can apply it, it is not possible because there is a key moment this is when there will be such a critical situation that will call into question the very existence of the state Russian Federation. And for example, attacks on the forces of strategic deterrence. That is, there are missiles there , Nuclear Submarines and the like, that is, we only had strategic cases of this bardomoranniki and crossing the border no, if we were in eh, that means the belgorod peoples republic, then nothing happened, yes. Actually , no one recognizes the occupied territories, this is the first , otherwise, if the americans were afraid, they would be afraid of us it was forbidden to even strike on our occupied territory, because that would be a reason for such reasons, exactly during the press conference with president zelensky, we will be with ukraine as long as necessary , and they will repeat these words from time to time, as a reminder, not for the victory of ukraine. How long does it take does this mean that these talks about a longterm war are cemented in reality and does this mean that the United States of america has also cemented its vision of the slow collapse of the slow weakening of the Russian Federation not collapse but the weakening of the Russian Federation. Well, i would say that probably aa, after all, a little means that they are counting on the fact that it will not happen with such quick and selfeffacing steps as, for example, the kharkiv operation after which, by the way, it seems to me that society and the feeling that it is possible to release at a very fast pace the territory is just huge. But it doesnt happen like that. Do you remember recently there was a statement from some authoritative european media that the ministers of the countries of the group of seven calculate in their budgets that