About planes. They also publish photos in their own telegrams, and this was published by a military spectator, roman bochkala. They are trying to use such Protection Systems to protect their planes from infrared radiation so that they become less visible. So we continue the topic of russia and putin will lose in the event of a protracted war in ukraine, why did the president of ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy answer in an interview to the british magazine the economist from lets listen putin doesnt understand that he will lose in the long war because it doesnt matter if he is supported by 60 or 70 of russians, nor if his economy loses serhii fursa investment banker economist joins of our etaru p sergiu good evening glory to ukraine and please evaluate the words of the president in the context of russia, the possibilities of the russian economy, how strong it is, how much safety margin it has, well, look, if we expect that the russian economy will collapse and russia will collapse there in the near future, this will not really happen they have strengths, but at the same time the president is right because it is not possible for the russians to wage a war of attrition because a war of attrition is always a war of attrition of economies and if it were its just the economy of ukraine against the economy of russia, the russians really won here by a large margin, but there is a war of attrition even between the ukrainian and russian economy, and between the collective action and ukraine against russia , but you two are all 10 times less than the total gdp of the countries themselves and here they simply do not have the ability to withstand this marathon , and on the other hand, for the countries themselves , for example, it is a small problem to support the ukrainian economy all this time, as they are now preparing the ukrainian budget and so on they actually supply us with the weapons with which we fight. Both these and those exchanges are not critical at all for the economy of the collective west. They wanted there to sink this economy, such fluctuation is a very correct word, the ruble fluctuates in them, now fuel prices do not fluctuate, and there is such a paradoxical story that the gas station country is experiencing a fuel shortage, well, domestically the market that, in principle, i am an anomaly, and both are the result of sanctions, in fact, which work simply, again, the question is that sanctions are expected to work to deplete the russian economy , and that it should gradually be militarized and degraded, sanctions are aimed at limiting resources in russia, against sanctions, they cannot lead to that we sometimes expect that something will happen instantly like some kind of explosion and the russian economy will end and all russians will suddenly be on the street well, but look at that one you mentioned and the fluctuations of the dollar and fuel, yes, it would seem, well, nonsense, well, this is not my opinion, yes, there are problems with fuel, today, yesterday, or when, the other day , boeing planted fields in russia, yes, that is , because it had some kind of problem there. I dont remember what, im not an aviation expert, but they were forced to put me directly in the field. You know what will happen in certain economic niches in russia. Which niche can die first. Which one do you know will not affect the general situation in country, but look again, dont expect it to die will degrade because the idea is some kind of replacement is going on more less efficient production is going more expensive production in fact what could have died died there last year when it came to car production in russia when they simply stopped almost all factories and now reoriented themselves to driving expensive chinese cars but to say that some industry there will die completely well, it will not die yes, its just that development for the modern economy, Constant Development is constantly needed, it is impossible in such conditions and there is degradation instead development is something more expensive, for example, russian oil, russians sell oil in certain volumes, but revenues from this are constantly falling because the purpose of the sanctions is not to stop russian oil from entering the foreign market, but to limit the income of russians from russian oil, but to limit it, not to zero. What they are, relatively speaking, in india. God, its okay, they already said the time limits. Thank you, serhiy, but i still have many questions on this topic. Thank you for joining. Serhiy fursa , investment banker, economist, was with us on connection a next eh next a short pause after which we will talk about the situation in the United States, the speaker of the us house of representatives Kevin Mccarthy supported the start of formal proceedings regarding the impeachment of joe biden, we will talk about this with the correspondent of the ukrainian voice of america Kateryna Lisunova joins us ekaterina, we greet you, i dont know whether its morning or night for you right now, so its almost night here, so how to interpret this, uh, this is the beginning of the formal impeachment procedure, do you really know it can shake under biden the chair against the background of these statements is a wonderful question. Indeed, ukraine has repeatedly covered the impeachment proceedings against the United States of america, in particular because, for example, one of the first impeachments against trumps actions concerns ukraine in particular, and as we already know that e it is necessary to completely remove the current president from office, the impeachment should be voted for by both houses, i. E. The house of representatives, and it is the price that has Just Announced the beginning of the investigation into the impeachment of the current president , john joe biden, in the house of representatives and here it is worth noting what exactly they incriminate jozga biden and so the republicans throw out bidens abuse of power, obstruction, corruption and, in particular, in favor of the business interests of his family , i note that Kevin Mccurdy noted in part of his speech that biden was lying when he claimed that he did not participate in Business Affairs of his family and does not know at all about the Business Affairs of his family, also according to mccarthy, almost 20 Million Dollars from the United States of america were sent to members of the biden family through various fronts company, in addition, it is claimed that the ministry of finance of the United States of america has more than 150 transactions with the participation of the bidenite family, which were marked by american banks as suspicious and e. Hm. Membership in the board of directors of the Ukrainian Energy company burizma and i dont know if we have bidens statement that we can extract, i suggest you listen to it im sorry statement on the map yes on the map biden used his official position to coordinate with Hunter BidensBusiness Partners hunters role in the Ukrainian Energy company borisma despite all these serious accusations, it seems that the Biden Administration offered the president s family special treatment, but here it is worth noting that the corresponding statements and corresponding accusations of the republic were voiced repeatedly in the public sphere and against the positions of President Biden and already before that, like biden , the Biden Administration rejected all these accusations and actually said that they are not involved in those things that incriminate biden, what he said, he rejects all these accusations, this is not a discussion about abstract principles and philanthropy. Neparzel hamptomirl the senate has shown that a bipartisan compromise is entirely possible when the house returns to the session on tuesday. Allornothing tactics, we just listened to the speeches of the direct senate, the leader of the republicans and the leader of the democrats in the senate, and they did not directly refer to the impeachment , they related to the approval of Financial Issues , directly to the budgetary issues of the United States of america, but here it is important to note that the farright republics in the Chamber Representatives stated that they will not agree to the budgetary issues. If they are not met , a number of their demands will not be met, and such demands include, in particular, the initiation of the impeachment procedure against baidu, as well as the suspension of any aid to ukraine, so some republicans in the house of representatives are directly tying impeachment procedures with aid to ukraine and to the agreement of Financial Issues, he noted that during this month until october 1 no, unfortunately, there is no sound from them for some reason, kateryna , but thank you. We have heard the main basic information about this. Well , we will watch. About the possible impeachment of us president joseph biden, and the leader of north korea, kim jongun, in russia, about the arrival of his armored train to vladivostok , the Propaganda Agency ria novosti has already announced that it is in the far east that his meeting with russian president putin will take place for the purpose of the visit New York Times calls the transfer of modern technologies for the space industry and submarine fleet to pyongyang, as well as food aid in return, moscow expects to receive korean ammunition during the meeting, promised to closely monitor in in washington, the representative of the state in the usa, matthew miller, warned of new sanctions against the dprk if it provides weapons to russia. Oleksandr krayev, expert of the council of Foreign Policy, ukrainian prisma joins our broadcast. Oleksandr , good evening. Glory to ukraine glory to you. Congratulations. Thank you for joining. So, in your opinion , what can this lead to . Meeting because there was an intrigue to the last, whether it will happen or not , this whole story was kept a secret, so we have already seen a picture, your thoughts on this visit a more realistic version of what will happen is that, in principle, we will have a classic rendezvous of two dictators, one of them needs weapons, and the other of them needs resources, and by the way, first of all, food, therefore , in fact, the russians will trade food for weapons to north korea, therefore that both regimes are almost the most subservient states in the world. Well, russia is the most subservient country. Korea is in third place. Both regimes are currently going through very difficult times because china is trying to balance its relations with the west at their expense and accordingly, both regimes realize that they remain almost the only options for each other for a fullfledged fullscale partnership, and therefore for them this is an adequate development of Foreign Policy in a more negative, more threatening scenario , we can talk about the fact that both countries can establish Nuclear Cooperation because we in korea, they are developing their potential , the russians are trying with all their might to show some technical progress in this light, and therefore this would be exactly the threat of diplomatic escalation that putin was so aggressively looking for and which it was so profitable for the russians. And does korea actually have the ammunition that russia needs so much, or do they have reserves that are left . Well, unfortunately, we still have to state that it is not only the reserves, but that north korea was able to form a certain of its own nuclear weapons. It is not comparable to south korea, well, it is not comparable in any way, but the logic , ideology, or che was precisely that the actual production of weapons, ammunition , equipment, it was an indicator of power and remains such an indicator, accordingly , all other areas of industry, all other areas Innovative Technologies are basically absent, so in korea, in addition to the remnants of the soviet remnants of old weapons, there is a certain stock of their own created systems that essentially mimic the soviet systems, they reproduce them with more modern technologies and repeat that and this is really what korea can transfer to the russians, plus we have seen that one way or another, the dprk can produce its own missile ammunition. The dprk is capable of obtaining its own missile program. Although at the cost of the lives and health of its own population, korea still has something to offer the russians in this regard to the dictatorial tour guide oleksandr please tell me hmm who can have influence in this story besides the usa, which we mentioned and how significant it can be to prevent this cooperation, the americans have already said that in the event of the start of the supply of weapons, they will introduce additional sanctions in this case, we will not we are talking. I understand the sanctions against these specific countries because, one way or another , most of the sanctions against them have already been introduced , we rather mean secondary sanctions for secondary sanctions this is what rostesh can force the partners of both countries are affected by secondary sanctions these are those sanctions that are carried out against third countries that help korea and russia to circumvent the sanctions regimes introduced by the west, and therefore, in fact, if they start trading weapons, sanctions will be imposed on china , sanctions will be imposed on india, sanctions will be imposed across the Central Asian states and one way or another, but this conglomerate of countries that are all part of the ussr well, not counting north korea, they will find ways to put pressure on russia. They remain the only raw markets in which russia can trade at least something, and thats why i understand that the plan of the americans is to restrain the potential cooperation of two dictators with the hands of partner allied states. Ukrainian prizma was in touch with us, well , i hope we will have another opportunity to discuss the results of this visit, the chevrons that are approaching victory and another year when we do not celebrate but choose our independence, another day when they are trying to deprive us of the right to be ourselves and another instant of a terrible war that has been going on for centuries, but the whole world has already convinced us of our independence not to be trampled not to be drowned not to be burned not to be shot and the greater our hatred you are the stronger our independence is the closer our victory is independence we prove our independence every day we are afraid, we see, we laugh through tears, we shudder at the news here and abroad, in the trenches and in the rear, and with all our might we clench our teeth and move on, because we have something that does not extinguish our secret strength, the source of which is in ourselves every day every second i am so familiar with these feelings we had a director we were sitting in the basement women and children were constantly hearing explosions i slept dressed i had to be ready at any moment to get up and run but i said no this is my life i will not give it to anyone i went on live broadcasts, i understood if i have these powers and will share them with the ukrainians with the children who were next to me, i played a lot and at the same time started them how to provide first medical aid, helping others, i help myself, do you want to know how to help for yourself and others, go to the website how are you. Com for the popes layoff, the ukrainian defender pays for the defender and the ukrainian civilians who , when they go to bed, are not sure whether they will wake up in the morning, the pope should look for approaches to us, not we should look for approaches to the pope, andriy, i sincerely thank you for finding time for our conversation today. And you know, i still want to start our conversation with a question that will be close to our audience , given your experience. You have been a military serviceman since 2022. The cruel war started by russia against ukraine, your faith in no way. During this war, i saw many examples of humanity , i do not know the christian approach of selfsacrifice, and there in the examples in the mass media and also in the people i met there and in the zone i military operations and also in the rear, and because we have a lot of sacrifice, too, and the rear, that is why it did not waver. Catholic church on each the liturgy prays for the pope, but i have a question what are some very some very strange things are happening with the leadership of the Catholic Church, why are there so strange i would say offensive and false statements in particular from pope francis, so lets get to these statements right away and lets move on remember that last year, on june 22 , your column was published on ukrainian pravda called my prayer for pope francis, in particular, there you tried to reach him and talked about the importance of recognizing russia aggressor, a year has passed, a year has passed, has your opinion about pope francis changed, and how do you interpret his actions . Today i will remind you that pope francis addressed the russians again this year, to the youth of russia , saying that they are the descendants of a great empire , mentioning peter the first, catherine ii you interpreted such statements, i interpret it as a lack of education aaa or the pope himself or the people who erer surround him why because erer there are millions of believers in ukraine who remember erer the pope every time at the liturgy who are united with the Catholic Church and these people live in constant fear of being killed. Today, when we communicate with you, there is a clear understanding. Hmm, the russians will kill us as long as they have the opportunity. But again, heres a trailer i will add that we have this understanding, or is there such an understanding in the vatican . Well, let them open the newspapers. Well, let them just look. They just came here. Here we are with you. We are a few slobidkas. No one was tortured here. No russian soldier was tortured here. A civilian or a female resident why because there were no russian soldiers here it is very simple not far from here it is somewhere there and it is bucha there tortured people why because there were russians very simply there is a russian there is a dead ukrainian the pope met with putin twice already after eh well, as Russian Troops actually entered the territory of ukraine, they mean in 14th year and after the annexation of crimea in 15th year, he met , then a little later he met, and there were some official press releases about what so there are some efforts being directed there to establish and this is how i read it all and such blah blah blah well, there is another very important point that i have. And to be silent about a sin. To be silent about a sin is a sin for a catholic , and accordingly, murders, looting, abduction of children, yes, there is the looting of our natural resources, our cultural heritage, and our museums are also looted. Well, houses and apartments are also killed, people are killed there. Tortured and this is all happening not by a specific military serviceman but it was done by one psychopath no, this is done by a whole nation in our country of the Russian Federation, all the Indigenous Peoples gathered by them there they subjugated them and they directed them to kill us and accordingly the pope is silent silent for the sin of the people, he is silent for the sin of the sendoff of the Russian Federation and shining, the popes envoy meets with this woman, what is her name, maria lvova de lola, please excuse me, this is a person who officially took a child kidnapped in ukraine, another International Criminal the court issued a warrant for her arrest, the arrest of putin and the representative of the pope, i know all three things personally, and well, it doesnt bother me, well, that is, i dont know, i wasnt at the meeting. But there is a photo of him shaking her hand, smiling, and nowhere in the protocols is it written that he i came to her and said, you are a criminal, you will burn in hell, i personally curse you. Until you do everything to ensure that every child kidnapped by you gets to the territory controlled by ukraine , this was not said, there are no protocols, and this, well, thats all, thats all its sad because hmm well, we see and feel the complete collapse of these liberal constructs of this detached from reality pacifism. That is, the prayer is very strong, but the prayer with highmars is even stronger, well, that is , the operator of highmars prayed and there is no common room in melitopol with the russians. Thats how it became safer for ukrainians, for the ukrainian people, it brings peace closer. But again, if we return to the ukrainians, to the believers, how should they treat such statements of the pope, such actions of the holy see, in particular, and this the trip that already took place last year by the representative of the holy see and to kyiv, then to moscow, but it was like this handshake with an International Criminal in particular and how to trust ukrainians. I cannot advise ukrainians. They wanted to baptize me, it was not a family holiday, i was baptized somewhere, probably 30 kilometers from my village, because it was baptized secretly, because it was still the 80s. Here is my church. This is the church of the martyrs. This is the church of people who passed on the faith, understanding that there is a risk for a career and this is the simplest risk, it is like this in general lite risk there is a risk of going to prison there is a risk of going to siberia to saw the forest and the risk of simply being killed and tortured and my church she took the risks to heart this is the church of martyrs this is the church of people who okay, we will not go to confession to the priests who tell the chekists what they heard. Well, we will go to our priests to the priests of this church, which was the church of our parents, grandfathers, greatgrandfathers , and we will not cooperate with the occupation the administration is what it was and still is. The Russian Orthodox church in ukraine is still there. Thats why i want the leadership of the ukrainian greekCatholic Church to have an attitude that will be worthy of the inheritance. The pope should look for approaches to us, not us. To look for approaches to the pope and i expect from the leadership of the ukrainian greekCatholic Church that we will finally start normal work with the pope and his entourage, er, finally, we will not have friends of acquaintances, some incomprehensible types and those arrogant people who do not understand what they are doing to me would i wanted the priests who were in captivity of the ukrainian greek Catholic Church to go to the pope, i dont know, so that they would say i